Linked by David Adams on Fri 4th Jul 2008 15:55 UTC, submitted by amjith
KDE The windows port for KDE allows users to install and run KDE applications in Windows 2000, XP, 2003 and Vista . This tutorial will guide you step by step through installing KDE in Windows.
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Is it me, or does this make you feel dirty?
by cmost on Fri 4th Jul 2008 16:18 UTC
cmost
Member since:
2006-07-16

Installing KDE and its programs on Windows just somehow seems wrong! :-) Although, if Windows users get used to using KDE and its applications, they may be more inclined to leave the Windows platform behind for Linux. Otherwise, this whole thing just makes me feel all dirty! LOL!

Reply Score: 2

aseigo Member since:
2005-07-06

The primary goals behind these ports are:

* to reach more developers (lots of them on Windows/Mac either because they are "stranded" or by choice)

* to make open protocols and file formats viable on platforms like Windows; take having Kontact native on all three platforms lets people choose one of half a dozen or so groupware servers and have a single production quality user interface that runs natively on all platforms with the exact same feature set. it's a perfect way to make non-Windows platforms viable on the desktop and non-Exchange groupware systems viable on the server by removing the Outlook problem entirely. repeat for things like ODF (Okular as a viewer, KOffice as another editor suite for ODF), freedom friendly music stores (via Amarok), etc..

having defined the above two goals, and reaffirming our primary commitment as being to Free software platforms, made me feel a lot less dirty about it all ;)

whether or not it has any leverage in the individual user market at all is an interesting discussion (personally, i doubt it will) but not much more than that =)

Reply Score: 16

ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

IMHO, there is no better music player than AmaroK, so, letting me install and use my preferred music player no matter the platform I am working on (I have Gentoo at home but I have to work on a Windows box) is amazing and incredibly useful.

Reply Score: 8

FunkyELF Member since:
2006-07-26

I'll take one that works with samba shares thank you.

Seriously. I heard all these great things about Amarok so I went to try it out and the thing freezes like crazy. XMMS is deprecated (in Gentoo anyway) so I have been using audacious.

Anyway, once XBMC starts working nicely on Linux (music works okay but not video), I'll use that and only that.

Reply Score: 2

ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

I had problems with Amarok in my Kubuntu 7.10 install... but when I updated to 8.04 it worked just fine.

At home I have a Gentoo box and AmaroK never freezes or crashes... it is a very good audio player.

Reply Score: 2

FunkyELF Member since:
2006-07-26

It worked fine for me too with local music, but I was using music shared over Samba and it didn't work...kept freezing.

Reply Score: 2

asupcb Member since:
2005-11-10

I think it is a known problem that won't be completely fixed until the 2.0 version is released.

Reply Score: 1

Oszomby Member since:
2008-07-04

Installing KDE and its programs on Windows just somehow seems wrong! :-)

Sometimes Windows is a better choice: It has better hardware support (for instance, I couldn't get Kubuntu to suspend properly on my Toshiba laptop), and some apps are win only. In those situations you can keep what's best: solid system and innovative KDE apps that you like. All without using Virtualbox of coLinux.

Reply Score: 2

boofar Member since:
2008-04-23

Sometimes Windows is a better choice


And sometimes it's the only choice. I have full freedom to install anything on my work machine, except a different OS. KDE for windows will make life bearable ;)

Reply Score: 4

backdoc Member since:
2006-01-14

Ahhhh. I've got you beat. I can even install a different OS, which I have done. If I can get my work done, they don't care. The only thing is, I have to dual boot because I have need Windows to get my work done. The sad truth is that I'm usually in Windows because it slows me down to have to dual boot.

Reply Score: 2

-oblio- Member since:
2008-05-27

Remember, Stallman was developing GNU on proprietary platforms at first. KDE on Windows is probably the epitome of OSS development - a huge OSS project starting a port to the most important proprietary platform. This is up there with Apache or PHP being optimized for Windows, in terms of impact/importance.

You do have to realize that some people are used to Windows, some prefer it, and some aren't able to choose their OS (predefined environment).

Reply Score: 1

RE: screenshots of process
by kragil on Fri 4th Jul 2008 18:09 UTC in reply to "screenshots of process"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

It is all well and nice, but Windows people are conditioned to hate programms that download other programms while installing.

I think KDE should provide big single .exe installers for all apps sometime when things aren't as busy anymore..

Reply Score: 5

RE[2]: screenshots of process
by Luminair on Sat 5th Jul 2008 13:53 UTC in reply to "RE: screenshots of process"
Luminair Member since:
2007-03-30

"Windows people are conditioned to hate programms that download other programms while installing"

comments like this are why the expression "out of left field" is used. are you sniffing glue?

Reply Score: 2

Immature
by Bending Unit on Fri 4th Jul 2008 17:13 UTC
Bending Unit
Member since:
2005-07-06

Could be fun to have a few KDE apps in Windows but it didn't work very well here. Everything crashes eventually and Konqueror didn't even launch. But it is a nice start. Looking forward to later releases.

Reply Score: 3

There is a saying....
by raver31 on Fri 4th Jul 2008 18:10 UTC
raver31
Member since:
2005-07-06

I think it goes like this....

"Don't cast your pearls before swines"

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RE: There is a saying....
by google_ninja on Fri 4th Jul 2008 18:48 UTC in reply to "There is a saying...."
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Cute, calling a few million people swine because of what operating system they have on their computers....

Reply Score: 5

RE[2]: There is a saying....
by Googol on Fri 4th Jul 2008 23:32 UTC in reply to "RE: There is a saying...."
Googol Member since:
2006-11-24

no you ignorants, it's an idiom.

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RE[2]: There is a saying....
by helf on Fri 4th Jul 2008 23:32 UTC in reply to "RE: There is a saying...."
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

... or you could understand that as KDE = Perls and Windows = Swine.

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RE[2]: There is a saying....
by Whats That There on Sat 5th Jul 2008 08:19 UTC in reply to "RE: There is a saying...."
Whats That There Member since:
2005-09-21

It is a quote. I think it is a religious one , whereby Christians are told never to waste their time preaching to people who will never be converted and are too set in their ways.

The quote the op said was very apt indeed as people entrenched with windows will not move to Linux, so why should they have the ability to run such things as amarok ?

Reply Score: 3

RE[3]: There is a saying....
by Havin_it on Sat 5th Jul 2008 08:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: There is a saying...."
Havin_it Member since:
2006-03-10

Huh? For goodness' sake, why shouldn't they?

I'm pretty sure the goal of the KDE porting teams isn't to get people into using Linux; it's to get people into using KDE. I for one applaud it, just as I applauded cygwin when I first discovered it.

Look, I love Linux myself, but sod it, that's not the point here at all. The GNU tools and the KDE infrastructure are wonderful bits of useful software that I'd want to use on whatever platform I happen to find myself on. Where do you get off saying I shouldn't be allowed to, because I choose something other than Linux as my underlying OS? I notice you didn't say anything about the (planned) Mac port; I think you show your true colours there.

Reply Score: 3

Whats That There Member since:
2005-09-21

No, KDE apps also should not run on Mac. Macs can dual boot Linux too.

Where do I get off saying you should not be able to run specific apps on certain operating systems ?

I get off at the same place Microsoft gets off saying I cannot run MSOffice on Linux, and Apple says I cannot run quicktime under Linux.

Can I download and install iTunes on my PC-BSD install ? No... (well, yes, but only with a hack)

Can I download IE7 for Linux ? No

Can I run MS Publisher on OpenSolaris ? Nah

Will Adobe let me run Photoshop on BSD ? Nope

See, that is where I am coming from. Now, if you REALLY want to use KDE apps, do so under an operating system it was designed for.

Reply Score: 1

RE[5]: There is a saying....
by Chris on Sat 5th Jul 2008 10:43 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: There is a saying...."
Chris Member since:
2005-09-28

See, that is where I am coming from. Now, if you REALLY want to use KDE apps, do so under an operating system it was designed for.


And now it's being 'designed' to run on windows as well, just like it can run on linux or *BSD.

So what's the problem?

Reply Score: 5

RE[5]: There is a saying....
by hyriand on Sat 5th Jul 2008 13:19 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: There is a saying...."
hyriand Member since:
2006-04-03

So you're being locked in by various vendors and you don't like that (I assume). Then open source tries to change that and suddenly you ... start whining even harder? Err.. I mean, you want to retaliate? Like: You won't let us use your gems and now we'll make sure you never get ours?

There are quite a few closed-source applications that do work pretty well multi-platform: flash, acrobat reader, opera and skype for example.

And, quite a few open-source applications that already fine on windows: gimp (and lots of other GTK+ applications like pidgin and evolution), Eclipse and firefox.

Most (application) projects aim at providing a useful application. Most application developers don't care about the operating system you use. If it's possible, why NOT make it work on windows or OSX?

Reply Score: 5

RE[5]: There is a saying....
by schoate09 on Sat 5th Jul 2008 17:46 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: There is a saying...."
schoate09 Member since:
2007-08-19

That's the way the problem doesn't get resolved. As the minority OS, it's your job to branch out to the majority. If the minority keeps to itself, it would be very hard to attract developers and new users. However, if the minority branches out, and has compatibility, well it makes Adobe that much more likely to accept KDE development. "Well, if we package it with KDE library installers, we can make a KDE based Windows port and a linux port too".

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RE[3]: There is a saying....
by Luminair on Sat 5th Jul 2008 16:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: There is a saying...."
Luminair Member since:
2007-03-30

the irony here is stunning.

Reply Score: 2

nice
by protomank on Fri 4th Jul 2008 19:22 UTC
protomank
Member since:
2006-08-03

I see the point of having a win32/mac port, and plus, I would love to have quanta, kdevelop and kate on my work instead of having to use windows counterparts.
Damn exchange that makes me use windows@work :-P

Reply Score: 1

RE: nice
by google_ninja on Fri 4th Jul 2008 20:06 UTC in reply to "nice"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

you can use evo to connect to exchange, as long as OWA (web interface) is enabled on your exchange server

Reply Score: 4

RE: nice
by Laurence on Fri 4th Jul 2008 21:29 UTC in reply to "nice"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I see the point of having a win32/mac port, and plus, I would love to have quanta, kdevelop and kate on my work instead of having to use windows counterparts.
Damn exchange that makes me use windows@work :-P


As much as I prefer Linux, Microsoft Visual Studio far exceeds kdevelop in my humble opinion.

Reply Score: 6

RE[2]: nice
by jcknight on Sat 5th Jul 2008 00:39 UTC in reply to "RE: nice"
jcknight Member since:
2008-07-05

if you're using visual studio for .net development, I recommend using Monodevelop [http://www.monodevelop.com/Main_Page].

It's been a boon for me as far as easily integrating Linux into my infrastructure.

Reply Score: 1

Yes!
by Angel Blue01 on Fri 4th Jul 2008 23:18 UTC
Angel Blue01
Member since:
2006-11-01

I can't wait to be able to run portably KDE 4.x with my settings to any computer I go!

Reply Score: 1

in windows2000
by happycamper on Sat 5th Jul 2008 18:26 UTC
happycamper
Member since:
2006-01-01

unfortunately kde-win did not work for me one of the packages did not want to download, i follow the instructions to press retry if an error pop-up i did the same error just kept popping up. I might give another try later on.

Reply Score: 2

Comment by Luminair
by Luminair on Sun 6th Jul 2008 05:32 UTC
Luminair
Member since:
2007-03-30

That this works at all is impressive, but it is unusable because it runs like it is standing still

Reply Score: 2

Super-Hornet
Member since:
2008-07-03

One question:
By using this KDE for windows, Is it possible to SSH to Linux system and run KDE apps? (sort of like cygwin)

Reply Score: 1

DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"One question:
By using this KDE for windows, Is it possible to SSH to Linux system and run KDE apps? (sort of like cygwin)"


This has always been possible, without KDE for windows. All you need is a windows X server, of which those have been available for many many years.

Reply Score: 3

KDE apps barely run on linux
by haim96 on Mon 7th Jul 2008 10:37 UTC
haim96
Member since:
2007-12-25

so way install them on windows?!
i'm sure there is very good (and free) replacment for every KDE app in windows...
waste of programers time!

Reply Score: 1

Comment by ljgshkg
by ljgshkg on Mon 7th Jul 2008 13:50 UTC
ljgshkg
Member since:
2008-03-25

Installed the base package on Windows... still seems pretty unstable at this moment, crashing quite easily (though the crashes doesn't always terminate the programs...)

Reply Score: 1

sorry
by Bounty on Mon 7th Jul 2008 16:15 UTC
Bounty
Member since:
2006-09-18

I'm sorry this has turned into linux vs. windows again. But the one cool thing it's done, is it's caused me to picture bizarro world, where Gentoo has 90% marketshare and everyone bitches about it, and Microsoft is the up and comming OS here to save us.

Reply Score: 1