Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Jun 2009 21:37 UTC
Multimedia, AV De wonderen zijn de wereld nog niet uit. As we all know, Flash is a terrible resource hog on just about any device. Even my quad-core desktop space age computer sees spikes in processor usage whenever Flash rears it ugly head, let alone my poor Intel Atom-based devices. Well, it seems Adobe finally pulled its head out of its behind, and has committed itself to enabling proper Flash performance on Atom-base devices. The catch? You need a Broadcom Media Accelerator, or an NVIDIA graphics chip.
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Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Tue 2nd Jun 2009 22:05 UTC
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2005-11-10

Because backroom deals and proprietary hardware are the better solution compared to JUST WRITING GOOD SOFTWARE TO BEGIN WITH?

Grief, the APIs are there Adobe. Windows has WPF, Apple has Quartz2DE, use them.

Apple, or somebody, please buy Adobe and then proceed to fire the entire programming staff, and then make Adobe products no longer suck because the world doesn’t need any more of Adobe’s ass-backwards mistakes.

RE: Comment by Kroc
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 2nd Jun 2009 22:12 UTC in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Yup.

I never understood this. Microsoft can optimise the heck out of something as complex as Vista and make it faster and leaner with Windows 7. Apple has been able to do the same with Mac OS X for a few releases as well.

And you tell me Adobe can't do the same with Flash?

RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Ventajou on Tue 2nd Jun 2009 22:31 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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2006-10-31

Even worse, open source programs like VLC play flash movies smoother than flash itself

RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by jimbofluffy on Wed 3rd Jun 2009 00:41 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
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2008-07-15

Even worse, open source programs like VLC play flash movies smoother than flash itself


No joke. Thank goodness for the K-meleon browser otherwise I couldn't watch Hulu on my PIII 1Ghz HTPC, because Firefox and Flash would be too much for it at the same time! Too bad Netflix doesn't work with K-meleon.

RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by dvhh on Wed 3rd Jun 2009 02:11 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
dvhh Member since:
2006-03-20

Wrong, they use different display logic, where VLC only displays video, flash can display a lot of stuff over the video (user don't really need it but the feature is available).
Flash is slowly following the path of macromedia shockwave path.

RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by lemur2 on Wed 3rd Jun 2009 14:07 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Wrong, they use different display logic, where VLC only displays video, flash can display a lot of stuff over the video (user don't really need it but the feature is available).
Flash is slowly following the path of macromedia shockwave path.


Actually, you don't need flash (or Silverlight for that matter) in order to "display a lot of stuff over the video".

Ordinary web standards (those being HTML5 video tag, Javascript/CSS3, SVG and animated PNG) can do all that.

http://blog.dailymotion.com/2009/05/27/watch-videowithout-flash/

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=n...

Strangely enough, IE supports none of this. You will need Firefox 3.5 to see the full effects.

If you have a pre-release version of Firefox 3.5, the demos are here:

http://www.dailymotion.com/openvideodemo

More about what can be done using web standards is here:

https://library.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Web_Graphics%2F%...)

Edited 2009-06-03 14:16 UTC

RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Beta on Wed 3rd Jun 2009 19:51 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-07-06

Subtitles

That's funny
by Phloptical on Tue 2nd Jun 2009 22:44 UTC
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2006-10-10

Flash is a terrible resource hog on just about any device

That should read "Every Adobe Product" is a terrible resource hog, and it keeps getting worse with each release. Adobe is the king of Feature Bloat.

RE: That's funny
by StephenBeDoper on Wed 3rd Jun 2009 20:31 UTC in reply to "That's funny"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Ain't that the truth. They'll pry Photoshop 7 and Illustrator 10 from my cold, dead hands.

Broadcomm
by 3rdalbum on Wed 3rd Jun 2009 02:04 UTC
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2008-05-26

Requires a Broadcomm graphics processor. It will be nice and incompatible then :-)

Hmm...
by 1c3d0g on Wed 3rd Jun 2009 02:41 UTC
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2005-07-06

I normally don't wish something bad upon someone/something, but I hope Silverlight kicks ass and grabs a majority of marketshare, thereby forcing Adobe to make drastic performance improvements to Flash.

RE: Hmm...
by lemur2 on Wed 3rd Jun 2009 13:18 UTC in reply to "Hmm..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I normally don't wish something bad upon someone/something, but I hope Silverlight kicks ass and grabs a majority of marketshare,


Hell no. Worst possible outcome imaginable.

Thankfully, it doesn't look like happening.

RE: Hmm...
by flynn on Wed 3rd Jun 2009 15:18 UTC in reply to "Hmm..."
flynn Member since:
2009-03-19

The solution is not to substitute one horrible plugin for another but to get rid of plugins altogether.

Maybe once the HTML 5 spec is finished by the middle of the next decade and actually implemented by most browsers sometime around 2020, and implemented by IE sometime around 2030 we can burn both Flash and Silverlight and be rid of this nonsense once and for all.

RE[2]: Hmm...
by Doc Pain on Wed 3rd Jun 2009 17:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Hmm..."
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

The solution is not to substitute one horrible plugin for another but to get rid of plugins altogether.


That would be an acceptable situation - use "Flash" in the same way ordinary pictural / image files are used in a web browser. Just imagine you would have to install a plugin for JPG graphics that "accidentally" isn't available for your platform or browser... Of course, tha ability to TURN IT OFF is a "must have", as it is already possible with graphics, for example in Opera where you can switch off graphics and CSS.

The problem I see is that "Flash" seems to hook so deeply into the system that it can't easily be implemented in all (!) browsers. Otherwise Linux and UNIX browsers would already include "Flash" for years by default. But such a solution would require that "Flash" is made an open standard (or a standard at least, which it isn't).

Maybe once the HTML 5 spec is finished by the middle of the next decade and actually implemented by most browsers sometime around 2020, and implemented by IE sometime around 2030 we can burn both Flash and Silverlight and be rid of this nonsense once and for all.


WE'll see. But in fact, I think there will soon be other "modern technologies" that get their way around HTML 5 and do something similarly stupid. Furthermore, I think MICROS~1 will have much responsibility for this development... :-)

Too damn proprietary!
by rramalho on Wed 3rd Jun 2009 08:46 UTC
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2007-07-11

The catch? You need a Broadcom Media Accelerator, or an NVIDIA graphics chip.

And Windows...

RE: Too damn proprietary!
by kaiwai on Fri 5th Jun 2009 08:57 UTC in reply to "Too damn proprietary!"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

The catch? You need a Broadcom Media Accelerator, or an NVIDIA graphics chip.

And Windows...


The great irony of the whole thing; Silverlight is hardware accelerated and it won't be too long before Moonlight is.

I have nothing against Flash, what I do have against Flash is the fact that they're closed source and refuse to work together with opensource projects (or establishing their own opensource project) as to create an opensourced version of flash that is fully compatible in every facet with the proprietary version.

Faster
by dbolgheroni on Thu 4th Jun 2009 22:52 UTC
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2007-01-18

Nice, new hardware just to make Flash sucks faster...

you need... OR a Tegra processor
by Moochman on Sat 6th Jun 2009 12:42 UTC
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2005-07-06

From TFA: "Adobe will be working directly with Nvidia on optimising Flash for all of Nvidia's graphics processors, including the Tegra system-on-a-chip that the graphics-chip company is pushing as a rival to Atom in the netbook and mobile internet device (MID) markets."

How did this get left out of the article posting? This is awesome news!! It means that Adobe is optimizing Flash for ARM!

Edited 2009-06-06 12:44 UTC