Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 4th Feb 2005 23:37 UTC
Window Managers The EDE Team presents version 1.0.2 of the Equinox Desktop Environment and version 2.0.4 of the Extended Fast Light Toolkit (eFLTK).
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Neat
by leo on Fri 4th Feb 2005 23:45 UTC

Never heard of EDE before. Looks refreshingly light and simple. Probably hard to beat something like Fluxbox in terms of speed, but this looks much easier to adjust to for someone coming from windows.

Thoughts
by Roguelazer on Sat 5th Feb 2005 00:20 UTC

Hmm. I would never be able to guess what UI they're influenced by... Personally, I think one version of xpde is enough. But if the developers feel that another operating system that looks exactly like MS Windows is what the Linux world needs, that's their perogative. Personally, I've never liked the FLTK API, I'm more of a Qt guy (although I still love Be's APIs) when it comes to APIs. But whatever. To each his/her own. ;)

Xwinman
by Metic on Sat 5th Feb 2005 00:21 UTC

Never heard of EDE before

Hmm.. For those not yet knowing Xwinman, you can find a pretty comprehensive list and some short reviews of the alternative desktop environments (including EDE) and window managers for X here: http://www.xwinman.org/

mmm
by Chris on Sat 5th Feb 2005 00:26 UTC

Windows 98/2000 users should feel right at home in this non spectacular but functional desktop.

Ugh, more Windows-look-alikes
by MIke on Sat 5th Feb 2005 00:42 UTC

I really wish people would be more creative and stop copying the Windows look and feel. Yes, making it look like Windows makes it more familiar and hence more attractive, but it's boring!! Do something (dare I say) unique?!?!

Bleh.
by Jack. on Sat 5th Feb 2005 00:43 UTC

Aside from the eFLTK portion of this project, it looks alot like XPDE and ICEWM.

The effort would be alot better spent on other more robust WM's, but I'm not one to judge. Who knows this could turn into a very usable DE, like XFCE. Good luck to the developers, and keep up the hardwork.

YAWCDE
by Josh on Sat 5th Feb 2005 00:55 UTC

YAWCDE = Yet Another Windows Clone Desktop Environment

Not just another clone..
by Richard Tough on Sat 5th Feb 2005 01:02 UTC

The bit that made me think this project has a use is its very small footprint - apparently it uses less ram than an xterm session, but looks like it has quite a bit of functionality. Only problem is the win95 look ;) Simple I guess.

XPDE?
by CaptainPinko on Sat 5th Feb 2005 01:09 UTC

maybe they should merge? that said XPDE looks dead now... same for Ark Linux.

Very nice
by Johnson on Sat 5th Feb 2005 01:09 UTC

I love the professional Windows 2000 look and at least their widgets are not gigantic unlike KDE and GNOME's where three controls such as a text field and a button and a combo box will take 70% of the screen real estate forcing you to use max resolution just so that everything fits on the screen.

Success is rated by...
by rsk on Sat 5th Feb 2005 02:11 UTC

... a good acronym... and EDE is a cool acronym.

v bleh
by kevin on Sat 5th Feb 2005 02:13 UTC
EDE
by TaterSalad on Sat 5th Feb 2005 02:16 UTC

This looks like a very interesting project to me. I'm always looking for lightweight window managers/environments for my old 233mhz laptop and EDE looks like its worth trying. Right now I'm switching between fluxbox, openbox, and icewm. It really depends on how I feel that day as to which WM to use. Now I can add EDE to the list. I agree with some of the others tho, I could do without the standard win95 look. Perhaps someone will implement a theme or different window manager look into it. That'd be swell.

XPDE and EDE
by emey on Sat 5th Feb 2005 02:17 UTC

To those who just post and whinning without knowing the actual information, I wish to inform that EDE came a lot earlier than XPDE. Maybe XPDE look nicer but EDE are faster.

I believe if Qt should follow FLTK in term of lean and fast aspect but for sure eFLTK need some work on the look.

Yay!
by Phobia on Sat 5th Feb 2005 02:34 UTC

Another copy of Windows(R). At this pace there will never be inovation in the Linux(R) world. If devs like so much to copy Windows interfaces, why not copy Apples(R) Aqua(TM) for a change. Lets also copy Quartz(TM) and ditch the stupid XServer. It's not that imposible to emulate the cool Aqua(TM) interface. If people can write cool OpenGL code for games, I'm sure they can get it donne for a desktop. Just my 2 cents.

more XPDE and EDE
by Michael Salivar on Sat 5th Feb 2005 02:46 UTC

I won't defend cloning a Windows UI, but it should be said that XPDE aims to clone WinXP while EDE obviously clones Win9x. Also, I think XPDE needs more system power than EDE; much like the OS's they clone. I don't see the two projects occupying the same space.

Regarding Ark, it's very much alive, the development just isn't getting the media attention it once did. Being a user friendly distribution, I think it's a smart move not to attract the media with too many alphas that aren't near ready for their target.

@Phobia
by Michael Salivar on Sat 5th Feb 2005 02:52 UTC

Yes, because, thanks to two DE projects cloning the Windows UI, there's absolutely no innovation in the GNU/Linux world. And, again because of these two projects, no other project has borrowed elements from MacOS, 10 or earlier. No, Gnome and XFCE simply don't exist.

And you're right, let's replace the X Server with a rendering system that runs like absolute crap on anything less than a gigahertz processor with 512MB of RAM and a rather fast graphics card. That's a great idea, let's tell millions of users that they don't matter because their computers aren't fast enough. Hey, it's obviously worked for Apple!

RE: Yay!
by X on Sat 5th Feb 2005 03:00 UTC

Another copy of Windows(R). At this pace there will never be inovation in the Linux(R) world.

I don't get what you mean by that, but there are only a few copy of Windows(R) regarding window managers, and it's not popular or widely used. It might help newbies who in transition from Windows, but once they get used to window/desktop managers like Windowmaker, Fluxbox, XFCE4 and etc-- they won't go back. I have tried a handful of copy of Windows(R); didn't find it useful. Oh yeah, there're innovations.

Anyone built it?
by Anonymous on Sat 5th Feb 2005 04:38 UTC

built and installed eFLTK, no problem:
./configure --enable-xft --enable-static --disable-nls --disable-unixODBC --disable-mysql

attempting to build EDE however:
./configure (no problem)
gmake

---

Going to common...
Compiling aboutdialog.cpp...
aboutdialog.cpp: In function `void showCopyingInfo()':
/home/$user/local/include/efltk/Fl_Util.h:58: error: too many arguments to function `int fl_start_child_process(char*)'
aboutdialog.cpp:11: error: at this point in file
gmake[1]: *** [aboutdialog.o] Error 1
gmake: *** [all] Error 2

Re: Anyone build it? (follow up)
by Anonymous on Sat 5th Feb 2005 04:59 UTC

My fault! I grabbed eFLTK 2.0.1 instead of 2.0.4 (note to developers, interface changes should not take place between subversions. 2.0.x should be bugfixes with the same interfaces. 2.1.x versus 2.0.x might warrant an interface change, although strict library developers usually leave interface changes for the major version only)

eFLTK - ./configure --disable-mysql --disable-unixODBC --disable-nls --enable-xft --with-x && gmake && gmake install

EDE - ./configure --enable-optimize --disable-nls --disable-silent && gmake && gmake install


Worked like a charm - great job EDE guys!

Fails on configure
by Johnson on Sat 5th Feb 2005 07:44 UTC

mine fails on ./configure

config.status: error: cannot find input file: efltk.spec.in ;)

I just extracted efltk-2.0.4.tar.bz2 and go to its directory and type ./configure

Well, I don't know what to do from here, where do I find this file

@Roguelazer
by Douglas on Sat 5th Feb 2005 11:21 UTC

"Personally, I've never liked the FLTK API, I'm more of a Qt guy"

Why? FLTK API is clean, fast and C++ strict (without MOCs, pre-processors or crypt macros; it uses namespaces, exceptions, etc.).

RE: Fails on configure
by oao on Sat 5th Feb 2005 12:48 UTC

"mine fails on ./configure

config.status: error: cannot find input file: efltk.spec.in ;) "

I have the exactly same problem ;) . I tried to Google for it but could not find an answer. I would really like to try EDE on my old P233MMx Slackware 10.0 box.

RE: Fails on configure
by Linkcr on Sat 5th Feb 2005 13:21 UTC

Do:

touch efltk.spec.in

and then:

./configure
make
make install

hope it works ;)

looks like bad gadget placements
by Hagge on Sat 5th Feb 2005 14:25 UTC

exactly so.

EDE, IceWM and XPDF
by johnlein on Sat 5th Feb 2005 16:03 UTC

EDE is programmed in C++ with an extended version of FLTK2 and is intended to be a DE. It looks a lot like windows and maybe it is supposed to, who knows what its going to look like 2 or 3 years from now.
IceWM is also programmed in C++ but doesn't use a preexisting toolkit. It doesn't try to be a DE, and is made to be a lot like OS/2.
XPDF is programmed in Object Pascal (Kylix) and uses CLX. Since Kylix is discontinued and CLX isn't really used anywhere else I don't see a bright future for XPDF.

@Douglas
by Roguelazer on Sat 5th Feb 2005 16:48 UTC

I dunno, I never really got "into" it. Not that it matters much anyway. I'm a horrible GUI designer. ;)

compile doesn't work
by Nikola Pizurica on Sat 5th Feb 2005 18:28 UTC

Efltk compiled and installed worked. But, with Ede, during compilation, I get this error:
snip
Going to edewm...
Linking edewm
/usr/local/lib/libefltk.a(Fl_WM.static.o)(.bss+0x0): multiple definition of `_XA_NET_SUPPORTED'
Winhints.o(.bss+0x2c): first defined here
/usr/local/lib/libefltk.a(Fl_WM.static.o)(.bss+0x4): multiple definition of `_XA_NET_SUPPORTING_WM_CHECK'
and so on....

I ran ldconfig after compiling efltk.

RE: Fails on configure
by oao on Sat 5th Feb 2005 19:35 UTC

"Do:

touch efltk.spec.in

"..."

hope it works ;) "

Thanks a lot ;) . It worked, I'm compiling eFLTK right now and hoping that everything works. Why didnt I thought that my self... *me stupid* ;)

More errors
by Johnson on Sat 5th Feb 2005 21:43 UTC

Well

touch efltk.spec.in workd ;) Thanks for that. efltk-2.0.4 has been compiled and installed but nowwww.....

I try to run ./configure in ede's directory and after a while I get

You don't have efltk installed. To compile Ede, you will needit.

But I did install it so I don't know what's going on. Should I add something in the PATH variable? May be it can't see it if it's searching the PATH. Then also, on their web site it says:

you can just run ./build.gcc script, which will do usually preparations; but /build.gcc does not exist.

also, (NOTE: before running ./configure, you must run aclocal, autoconf, and automake commands);

aclocal does not exist and I don't what it is, the rest:

root@yos ede # autoconf
autom4te: need GNU m4 1.4 or later: /usr/bin/m4
root@yos ede # automake
autom4te: need GNU m4 1.4 or later: /usr/bin/m4
automake: autoconf failed with exit status: 1

I think I will give up on this unless someone gives me some tips and I can try out.

RE: Yay!
by El Pseudonymo on Sun 6th Feb 2005 13:08 UTC


If devs like so much to copy Windows interfaces, why not copy Apples(R) Aqua(TM) for a change.

In which way exactly does this project copy Windows
interfaces in your opinion? Or, better question, what exactly do you understand is an "interface"?

I like EDE, dont care about MS similarities
by Tanner on Sun 6th Feb 2005 14:38 UTC

I personally like this "interface concept". Compliments to EDE team.

I dont care about "DE too similar to Win9X/XP".. WTF, I just want a nice DE.

Yawn, another "light" WM
by CrapInMySocks on Mon 7th Feb 2005 02:36 UTC

Even a cursory overview shows many more "light" environments out there then "cutting edge"...yet everyone seems to think its groundbreaking when someone "finally gets it" and builds a light environment. Duh, there are like 20 already.

On window managers
by Mike@Pugetropolis on Mon 7th Feb 2005 19:06 UTC

There are prettier light-weight window managers/environments -- XFCE and Rox come to mind, but this is basic and gets the job done. It would be familiar to migrating Windows users. Nothing wrong with that. Most window widget sets have functions for minimizing, closing, expanding, windowshading, closing, etc., and are going to create similar windows. No one bitches that NeXT windows look an awful lot like MS Windows widgets.

I personally use Win2K Pro, OSX Panther, and Gnome on Gentoo.

Grow up people. If you don't like it, don't use it, or better yet, if you don't approve, then don't watch.