Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Jan 2006 17:10 UTC, submitted by Kelly Rush
SkyOS A new video is available at the re-designed SkyOS website, showing the proof-of-concept work on a Media Station application for SkyOS. This proof-of-concept shows the first steps of what will hopefully become a full, specialized application (or possibly complete version) of SkyOS in the not-too-distant future. Additionally, a number of other new features can be seen in this video.
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Dayum! This is sweet...
by bornagainenguin on Tue 17th Jan 2006 17:45 UTC
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As most people know I'm not much of a fan of SkyOS' business practices and I've often said that IMHO I think they need to either 'put up' (with a downloadable beta so those of us not blessed enough to be on the beta team can see their OS in action before expecting us to spend our hard earned cash) or 'shut up.'

I'm now taking that back! : D

This video was smooth looking and made my mouth water. The fact that Robert says The video is a .swf with low quality. Increasing the quality lead to dramatic frame drops for the embedded video. only increases my admiration. I want in!

--bornagainpenguin

Err...if Kelly Rush reads this, could you advise me as to whether or not I could use a prepaid VISA card to buy a beta? I know from the site that you handle the business matters but am unable to find an email address on site. Paypal is not an option for me (for various reasons, including the fact that it is evil).

Edited 2006-01-17 17:49

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RE: Dayum! This is sweet...
by Kelly Rush on Tue 17th Jan 2006 18:13 UTC in reply to "Dayum! This is sweet..."
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We're working on getting up contact information at the moment.

As for the pre-paid VISA....not sure. It would depend if it works through PayPal, I guess. Sorry I don't have a better answer than "maybe". =

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Yes..it looks quite fast...
by Lakedaemon on Tue 17th Jan 2006 18:31 UTC
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given that it's in vmware....

Nice idea, this media center station.
Maybee, it'll allow SkyOS to become a viable commercial product much sooner than anticipated.

I guess that many people would be interested in a light, fast, rock solid and not bloated OS to put in a media center....

Go go go SkyOS !

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GUI
by dcibils on Tue 17th Jan 2006 18:43 UTC
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IMHO, I think SkyOS with a fresh new gui, it could look much more pro than that and convience a lot more people to get into the beta thing or buy the final product.

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RE: GUI
by Darkness on Tue 17th Jan 2006 18:51 UTC in reply to "GUI"
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You are free to do gui proposals in the forum. Also keep in mind that the gui is themeable.

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RE: GUI
by sappyvcv on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:00 UTC in reply to "GUI"
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I agree. I don't expect any major GUI stuff for the first major release though. Hopefully for the second they'll bring in some good and proven UI designers to create something more polished.

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RE[2]: GUI
by dylansmrjones on Thu 19th Jan 2006 15:12 UTC in reply to "RE: GUI"
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Besides that it's possible to create your own themes.

Porting a theme from another platform is possible. There are quite a few good themes to choose elements from to create a reasonably polished GUI (in terms of eye candy or lack of it).

The way the system works is a different matter, and most likely one to be solved after the first major version.

(I'd like a nextsteppish theme... oh yeah.. squared corners... uhhhmmm!)

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RE[3]: GUI
by sappyvcv on Thu 19th Jan 2006 22:14 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: GUI"
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I haven't seen them, but I think even with a good theme there is a lot of polishing to do.

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RE[4]: GUI
by dylansmrjones on Fri 20th Jan 2006 11:32 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: GUI"
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Well, there is a lot to fix in regard to drawing the windows. And perhaps there is some thing to polish up in regard to placement of some widgets.

Read earlier today on the SkyOS forum that the windows were a bit different in the right side compared with left side, and that the black dots in the close/maximize-restore/minimize buttons were placed slightly off center. But that are small things to fix up later :p

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impressive
by Rupert on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:17 UTC
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I have to say the everything seems to run very smooth and the whole projcts looks very promising. Hope they get a wide userbase.I would install it without doubts, i need a system to code/surf/office, two of them are available, the third will be as soon i have time to learn TeX, if its ported.
And they should offer free beta testing for students ;) .

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RE: impressive
by Kelly Rush on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:19 UTC in reply to "impressive"
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Well, we offer free beta testing for developers, so it is a start. Also, if you are a student developer....I guess you could get the beta at no cost. ;)

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RE[2]: impressive
by Rupert on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:02 UTC in reply to "RE: impressive"
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2006-01-17

great to hear, email should be in the box ;) .
Won“t think about what Mr. Jobs said when he got such questions while OSX was in development...

greetings

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RE[2]: impressive
by willysilly on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:55 UTC in reply to "RE: impressive"
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2005-10-01

I'm a studnet developer and have been looking at SkyOS for quite some time but haven't had the money to get a beta account and am wondering if I could hit you up on that 'beta at no cost' offer ;)

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RE[2]: impressive
by lonelf on Tue 17th Jan 2006 22:47 UTC in reply to "RE: impressive"
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2006-01-14

Hello. I am a student (Computer Engineering/A.S in Comp Sci) developer (Mostly C++/Qt/Python). I have been watching SkyOS for quite awhile now. I would be interested in getting my hands on a beta copy of SkyOS.

Please email me if you get this brandon_at_kinmantech.org

Thank you so very much by the way, very generous of you.

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RE[2]: impressive
by Kelly Rush on Wed 18th Jan 2006 00:14 UTC in reply to "RE: impressive"
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You can apply in the forums, accessible via the following link:

http://www.skyos.org/board/viewforum.php?f=49

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TeX
by Lakedaemon on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:22 UTC
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Having a tex-distribution on Skyos would be really nice...

I guess porting MikTeX would be too much work. That's too bad...it kicks ass.

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Impressive
by Smartpatrol on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:43 UTC
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I watched the video thinking that SkyOS is shaping up to be a excellent choice to replace Windows unlike Linux. I feel that before linux becomes desktop viable SkyOS will be their first. Amazing OS.

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RE: Impressive
by Celerate on Wed 18th Jan 2006 02:13 UTC in reply to "Impressive"
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2005-06-29

"... excellent choice to replace Windows unlike Linux. I feel that before linux becomes desktop viable"

Please keep the subjective flamebait to yourself. I don't see why people have to compulsively stab at Linux every chance they get.

If you don't think Linux is desktop viable that's your opinion, and in order to keep from turning that opinion into flamebait you're going to have to clearly state that it's your opinion. Otherwise you're presenting it as if it were fact, and that would be the very seed for a flamewar. Show some curteousy for those of us who like Linux.

After all, I don't take cheap shots at other operating systems. I extend the same attitude to people who like other OS's that I expect for myself.

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RE[2]: Impressive
by vaguely on Thu 19th Jan 2006 07:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Impressive"
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most skyos threads are usually full of linux people bashing skyos, so i guess it is nice to get some back

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RE[3]: Impressive
by Celerate on Sat 21st Jan 2006 04:02 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Impressive"
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2005-06-29

"most skyos threads are usually full of linux people bashing skyos"

I'm not one of them, I assure you of that. I can understand where you're comming from though, it happens to all of us, the best thing people like us can do is try not to be part of the problem. I don't blame you though.

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And on that note
by microshag on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:48 UTC
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Anybody want to hazzard a guess when 5.0 will be out?

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Videos > Screeshots
by CharAznable on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:49 UTC
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It's amazing how much more a video does for a GUI than screenshots. It really helps convey the experience in a much better fashion. After reading about SkyOS and looking at screenshots, I've always been like "meh", but this video has sparked my interest.

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Paypal is out! Here's why....
by bornagainenguin on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:49 UTC
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I had an account with them some gosh...five years ago?

Maybe more I think it was more, and when the recession hit I lost my bank account due to lack of usage. Because of this I ripped up my bank book and cut my debit card. Guess what? PayPal requires the numbers of my card as a anti-fraud device so I can't even get into my old account to cancel it...

Does anyone know if I can open a new account while the old one exists? Or can you ask Robert if he'll take VISA?

That said allow me to once again congratulate the SkyOS guys on making the OS look good--the only question is whendoes Robert add support for TV cards? And when if he does can he please make closed captions a priority? I'm Deaf (hard of hearing) so having working closed captions would be a big thing for me!

--bornagainpenguin

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impressed
by netean on Tue 17th Jan 2006 19:55 UTC
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2006-01-08

I'm getting more and more impressed with skyos. this video was pretty decent. Great idea, and in my opinion could lead sky os into the realms of XP Media Centre Edition. (which is a good thing)
Linux is always touted as THE windows alternative (on pc platform), but I'm seriously thinking that SKYOS might actually be a better bet (for non geeky programmers I mean)

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Very nice
by ApproachingZero on Tue 17th Jan 2006 20:45 UTC
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2005-11-10

The window borders are too thick though. I guess I just prefer the borderless look of the new iTunes and Safari to big, thick, chunky, useless boarders on the left and right sides.

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Eh
by youknowmewell on Tue 17th Jan 2006 21:13 UTC
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It's ok, I didn't find it to be as aw-inspiring as others have. What did that video show that was so useful? The search was interesting, especially how it used the meta-data to find it, but I think that is being done in just about every other OS right now, yes? The media center was ok, although I'm not sure being able to play more than one video with a smooth framerate is very useful (except maybe for bragging rights).

BTW, I hate the word 'bloated' in a computer applications context. People who use it don't even use it correctly. Just stop it.

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Unconvinced.
by JMcCarthy on Tue 17th Jan 2006 21:35 UTC
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Looks relatively interesting, but am convinced it will go no where other than the 0.1% niche it has.

There is more to gaining success other than looking nifty.

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Couple questions:
by DigitalAxis on Tue 17th Jan 2006 23:02 UTC
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How much of the UNIX filesystem paradigm does SkyOS use? I notice they aren't using drive names, they're using a system apparently rooted at /, like UNIX, but /boot is clearly a different idea altogether, and some (apparently) system files have extensions...

Along the same lines, they've got BASH and GNU binutils; how POSIX-compliant is SkyOS (or how compliant can it be?)

Is there an option to anchor the expanding taskbar?

Am I confused, or is there a sort of media-handling system that globally handles media playback (such that you only have to upgrade, say, the Ogg Vorbis library once and all programs that use the media player will use the new Vorbis codec? Or was that BeOS? Or RiscOS? Or something I just made up?

How much of a performance penalty is incurred with those freeform windows?

(Wow, OSNews just switched to blue!)

Edited 2006-01-17 23:12

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RE: Couple questions:
by vikramsharma on Wed 18th Jan 2006 16:09 UTC in reply to "Couple questions:"
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There is /boot in FreeBSD and it has always been there, I have not used SkyOS but would presume /boot would have boot.conf and other boot related files in /boot like FreeBSD.

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RE[2]: Couple questions:
by agentj on Wed 18th Jan 2006 16:33 UTC in reply to "RE: Couple questions:"
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GRUB uses /boot/grub to keep it's files. Of course you can use another directory, but the default one is mostly used.

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re: couple questions
by Darkness on Wed 18th Jan 2006 00:10 UTC
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/ is a virtual root, your local computer.

/boot is the SkyFS partition with the SkyOS installation.
other partition go for example in /fat1, /fat2 /floppy (you could mount them in other locations as well, but this is the default)

The integrated sound system (ISS) provides a consistent API for playing media files.

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SkyFS is HaikuFS ported and improved
by looncraz on Wed 18th Jan 2006 01:32 UTC
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The subject probably says it all :-)

--The loon

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mattst88 Member since:
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Correct.

What was your point?

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looncraz Member since:
2005-07-24

In response to an earlier post, essentially.

Answers the whole file system layout question. Unix-like, sure.

--The loon

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Sky POSIX Compat
by ma_d on Wed 18th Jan 2006 02:38 UTC
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This is a lil off topic sorry but,
Anybody see anywhere on their site, or elsewhere mentioning Sky's POSIX compatibility? Would I find things like pthread.h and flfcn.h ?

I've noticed most of the things that are ported are also available on Windows (Gimp, Firefox, Thunderbird). How difficult is it to get *nix apps ported over...

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RE: Sky POSIX Compat
by mkools on Wed 18th Jan 2006 15:08 UTC in reply to "Sky POSIX Compat"
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2005-10-11

Yes it is POSIX compatible, a quick google for skyos and posix gives back this article:

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=185

"SkyOS support emulation layers. So it will
support POSIX as well as the Win32 API"

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RE[2]: Sky POSIX Compat
by agentj on Wed 18th Jan 2006 15:38 UTC in reply to "RE: Sky POSIX Compat"
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"it will" == (usually) "never" ;)

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RE[2]: Sky POSIX Compat
by ma_d on Wed 18th Jan 2006 16:56 UTC in reply to "RE: Sky POSIX Compat"
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Thanks ;) .

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RE: Sky POSIX Compat
by Robert on Wed 18th Jan 2006 17:43 UTC in reply to "Sky POSIX Compat"
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The POSIX compatibility in SkyOS is quite good. You should be able to ./configure and make most GNU software. (Bash, GCC, Coreutils,... can all be built without modifing a single line of code).

The filesystem structure used in SkyOS is somewhat different than the one used in *nix OSes. The / directory is completely virtual. /boot holds the partition you booted from. Other top level directories are only mount points or symlinks. Initialy I tried to avoid symlinks at all, but if you want to have a high posix compatibilty or allow easy porting of available software you just have to provide directories like /bin.

All SkyOS system files (drivers, dlls, plugins, services, essential applications, etc. ) are located in /boot/system. All native applications are in /boot/programs. Ported *nix applications are in /boot/programs/unix/bin which symlinks to /bin (respectivly /lib, /usr, /etc). This *nix directories are hidden by default, so the "normal" user only see physical partition in /. (like /boot, /windows, ...).

Hope this explains a few things.

Btw,
>> Anybody see anywhere on their site, or elsewhere mentioning Sky's POSIX compatibility?
Just added 'Is SkyOS POSIX compatible?' to the FAQ section on skyos.org. Thanks for the hint!

>> "it will" == (usually) "never" ;)
Fortunately SkyOS is not such a "usual" operating system

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RE: Sky POSIX Compat
by dylansmrjones on Thu 19th Jan 2006 15:13 UTC in reply to "Sky POSIX Compat"
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Firefox, Gimp, Thunderbird etc. are *nix apps. They run on SkyOS as well as on Windows, because both systems are posix compliant to a certain degree.

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SkyOS
by LinspireMan on Wed 18th Jan 2006 13:10 UTC
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I have been watching SkyOS for quite some time now, and it is shaping up to be one beautiful OS. Very interesting and I can't wait for the 5.0 final release.

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Sky OS
by Windows Sucks on Wed 18th Jan 2006 13:58 UTC
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Sky OS really looks neat. When do they think the first full version will be out. I would really be interested in using it if it supports a lot of hardware.

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SkyOS looks better than zeta
by dean_fry on Wed 18th Jan 2006 17:47 UTC
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somehow i am more impressed by skyOS than the livecd(!) of zeta. skyos while still being beta feels more finalized than the zeta release...what do you think?

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Interesting stuff
by Novan_Leon on Wed 18th Jan 2006 20:03 UTC
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I've been watching SkyOS for about 3 years now and they've sure come a long way. I really hope this project does well, mabye it'll encourage all the Linux geeks to get down and serious about OS ease of use, up to now Linuxers seems to believe ease of use just = pretty visuals. A UI is much more than pretty pictures.

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Question?
by Windows Sucks on Wed 18th Jan 2006 21:54 UTC
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So Java and Flash (Other plug ins also) are not ported?

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Well, I'm impressed!
by AmigaRobbo on Thu 19th Jan 2006 12:48 UTC
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But where do I find if it'll run on my Graphics/Sound/whatever card?

And 30 USD seems pretty good to me, well it's not free, but give the exchange rates at the moment, thats UKP20 or lower, heck even a Linux magazine costs upewards of £6, or about the same to buy a nice printed DVD or CD set through the post.

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hardware
by Darkness on Thu 19th Jan 2006 13:14 UTC
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But where do I find if it'll run on my Graphics/Sound/whatever card?

Most common graphics cards should work in basic vesa 2 mode (also higher resolutions).

There is some basic 2d hardware acceleration for ati and nvidia.

There are only a few sound and network drivers currently available. This thread gives a short list:

http://www.skyos.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=20090

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RE: hardware
by AmigaRobbo on Thu 19th Jan 2006 14:17 UTC in reply to "hardware"
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2005-11-15

Hmm, I've got a Audigy 2 Sound card, wonder if that'll work?

Also, Do external Serial Modems work for getting on the World Wide Net?

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RE[2]: hardware
by Kelly Rush on Thu 19th Jan 2006 15:03 UTC in reply to "RE: hardware"
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Most likely the serial modem will not work at this time.

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