Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th Apr 2007 13:10 UTC, submitted by Ola Jensen
Amiga & AROS The AROS team has published a new status update with a list of improvements. Another important step in AROS customization has been done. Darius Brewka and Georg Steger have added a new decor system to Wanderer, allowing user to edit and change themes. Damir Sijakovic's ICE theme has been used as an example and it is now the default theme for AROS nightly builds. In addition, a USB keyboard driver has been committed, among other things.
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Yeah.
by dylansmrjones on Fri 6th Apr 2007 13:47 UTC
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Finally theme support in AROS. Looks like I have to fetch code and build again - just to check it out until harddisk installation is reasonably safe.

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Looking good
by nicholas on Fri 6th Apr 2007 18:38 UTC
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We are just waiting for the holy grail of seamless 68k emulation now and there will be no need for OS4. :-)

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Wanderer ?
by __xodam__ on Fri 6th Apr 2007 19:58 UTC
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Could someone explain just what does the filemanager Wanderer has to do with decorating the window managers property, or has AROS got drunk lately O_o !?

Edited 2007-04-06 20:00

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RE: Wanderer ?
by nicholas on Fri 6th Apr 2007 21:12 UTC in reply to "Wanderer ?"
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Could someone explain just what does the filemanager Wanderer has to do with decorating the window managers property, or has AROS got drunk lately O_o !?Edited 2007-04-06 20:00



Wanderer is the whole desktop, not just a filemanager.

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RE[2]: Wanderer ?
by __xodam__ on Fri 6th Apr 2007 22:47 UTC in reply to "RE: Wanderer ?"
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2007-04-06

Really ? then AROS never stops to surprise me it seems, is there any end to this ever more integration between components that are are SUPPOSED to just be layers upon the next lower one ?? x_o
Again, should there not be a real window manger instead of its functionality to be spread between Intuition, Wanderer, Zune and god knows what ... ?

I'm sorry but I see (terrible) Linux influences in this OS, what happened to the simplicity everybody like to talk about ? rationality anyone ?

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RE[3]: Wanderer ?
by nicholas on Fri 6th Apr 2007 23:00 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Wanderer ?"
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Really ? then AROS never stops to surprise me it seems, is there any end to this ever more integration between components that are are SUPPOSED to just be layers upon the next lower one ?? x_o
Again, should there not be a real window manger instead of its functionality to be spread between Intuition, Wanderer, Zune and god knows what ... ?

I'm sorry but I see (terrible) Linux influences in this OS, what happened to the simplicity everybody like to talk about ? rationality anyone ?


WTF are you on about?

Wanderer==Workbench.

No different to AmigaOS in 1994 or AmigaOS4 in 2007.

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RE[4]: Wanderer ?
by __xodam__ on Fri 6th Apr 2007 23:18 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Wanderer ?"
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WTF are you on about?

Wanderer==Workbench.


Then Wanderer=Workbench=WeirdDesign (sort of)


No different to AmigaOS in 1994 or AmigaOS4 in 2007.


What has that to do with what I typed !!?? Is there any reason that devs avoid developing a real WM for the default high level GUI framework that ITSELF takes care of what it is SUPPOSED to take care of ?!

Edited 2007-04-06 23:20

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RE[5]: Wanderer ?
by John.Gustafsson on Fri 6th Apr 2007 23:45 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Wanderer ?"
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Could it be that what you want to say is why does wanderer (clearly not a GUI toolkit) draw its own scrollbars? That is at least the most obvious thing to me.

The basic design should be (many of you already know this), inside out:

1. Window server (takes care of drawing, windows, blah, blah)
2. GUI toolkit (base for all controls, and a standard set of controls)
3. Wanderer

The best thing really would be to "fix" this and at the same time bring Zune (time for a new name change?) some upgraded looks. Maybe a unified theming system for GUI Toolkit and window decorations?

Don't take it as too much criticism, AROS is in a stage where any work must be seen as a good thing:)

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RE[6]: Wanderer ?
by ncafferkey on Sat 7th Apr 2007 00:11 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Wanderer ?"
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The basic design should be (many of you already know this), inside out:

1. Window server (takes care of drawing, windows, blah, blah)
2. GUI toolkit (base for all controls, and a standard set of controls)
3. Wanderer


That's more or less how it does work in AROS. The status update is misleading. Theme support has been added to the intuition library (effectively AROS's window manager), not to Wanderer.

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RE[7]: Wanderer ?
by John.Gustafsson on Sat 7th Apr 2007 11:01 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Wanderer ?"
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That's more or less how it does work in AROS. The status update is misleading. Theme support has been added to the intuition library (effectively AROS's window manager), not to Wanderer.


Ah, wops, that does make sense. The "problem" then really is that Zune (the MUI clone) is separated from intuition.library. It would be really nice to see a marriage between the two with a common theming engine.

It is almost tempting to try it myself ;)

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RE[6]: Wanderer ?
by __xodam__ on Sat 7th Apr 2007 00:12 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Wanderer ?"
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Exactly as you typed John, thats pretty much how things should work.

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RE[7]: Wanderer ?
by dylansmrjones on Sat 7th Apr 2007 01:52 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Wanderer ?"
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And that how it is working.

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RE[5]: Wanderer ?
by nicholas on Fri 6th Apr 2007 23:55 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Wanderer ?"
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2005-07-07


"
WTF are you on about?

Wanderer==Workbench.


Then Wanderer=Workbench=WeirdDesign (sort of)


No different to AmigaOS in 1994 or AmigaOS4 in 2007.


What has that to do with what I typed !!??
"

You wrote:
I'm sorry but I see (terrible) Linux influences in this OS"

Since when was Linux available in 1984?


Is there any reason that devs avoid developing a real WM for the default high level GUI framework that ITSELF takes care of what it is SUPPOSED to take care of ?!Edited 2007-04-06 23:20


Eh?

Edited 2007-04-06 23:57 UTC

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RE[6]: Wanderer ?
by __xodam__ on Sat 7th Apr 2007 00:20 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Wanderer ?"
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2007-04-06

Since when was Linux available in 1984?


Firstly, did the 1984 OS support docoration ?

Secondly, many of the devs that have worked or work on AROS do not use OS4 but Linux, doesnt this decoration handling remind one of Linux ?

Eh?


Exactly, you are a very smart dude, take care ;)

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RE[7]: Wanderer ?
by nicholas on Sat 7th Apr 2007 00:32 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Wanderer ?"
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2005-07-07

"Since when was Linux available in 1984?


Firstly, did the 1984 OS support docoration ?

Secondly, many of the devs that have worked or work on AROS do not use OS4 but Linux, doesnt this decoration handling remind one of Linux ?
"

No, it reminds me of MorphOS.


"Eh?


Exactly, you are a very smart dude, take care ;)
"

I know.

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hate little flames...
by soapdog on Sat 7th Apr 2007 01:17 UTC
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2005-07-25

no matter in which site an amiga news item is posted. The comments always amount to someone argueing with some other guy. Heck, why can't we all be happy that AROS got a new feature and thats all.

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RE: hate little flames...
by nicholas on Sat 7th Apr 2007 02:15 UTC in reply to "hate little flames..."
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2005-07-07

no matter in which site an amiga news item is posted. The comments always amount to someone argueing with some other guy. Heck, why can't we all be happy that AROS got a new feature and thats all.


Because only the *NIX methods are correct. Anything else is stupid.

Apparently.

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Great step forward
by ml2mst on Sat 7th Apr 2007 04:57 UTC
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2005-08-27

Personally I am not very interested in Theming, USB support (mice and keyboards) however is a great step forward IMHO.

Can't wait to play around with the latest nightly build.

Thanks for the article Thom, which reminds me, I should pay more attention to this interesting project!

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This is great news
by wonea on Sat 7th Apr 2007 08:00 UTC
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2005-10-28

I know some people may not like AROS, but I personally love it, and wish it the best for the future. This is great news, with the installer bounty now been taken we can finally start to see AROS entering a usable state for the Joe Public.

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v This is great
by NegroSuperfro on Sun 8th Apr 2007 17:26 UTC