Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 19th May 2012 02:03 UTC, submitted by fran
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris "Just days after the Mandriva community started its own plans for the next release of the French Linux distribution, its commercial sponsor has formally announced that the community will take the lead on all Mandriva Linux development moving forward. In a blog post on the Mandriva SA site, CEO Jean-Manuel Croset ceded control of the Mandriva Linux distribution back to the community at large." Take 'r 'round the shed and put a bullet 'tween 'r eyes already.
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Why would you ?
by gnemmi on Sat 19th May 2012 03:13 UTC
gnemmi
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2006-08-17

Take 'r 'round the shed and put a bullet 'tween 'r eyes already.

Why would you want to go and do something like that on anything that has such an awful lot of hard work, thought and professional experience invested all over it?

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RE: Why would you ?
by UltraZelda64 on Sat 19th May 2012 05:28 UTC in reply to "Why would you ?"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Why would you want to go and do something like that on anything that has such an awful lot of hard work, thought and professional experience invested all over it?

Because then much of that talent could move on to different projects, where it could actually do some good, instead of wasting it on a distribution backed by a company that is like the corporate version of the Titanic? Over the last several years Mandriva's history has mostly been: Sinking, sinking, sinking, sinking, sinking. They get occasional help, but they always continue tanking. They might as well rename themselves Tankdriva.

It's about time Mandriva dies; I've said it many times on DistroWatch's comment's section and probably here too, and I'll say it again: the latest version of Mandriva's distribution is barely even shadow of what it once was, while Mageia truly feels like a spiritual successor of the distribution, a snapshot of when it was still good, but with much more activity.

You like Mandriva's latest? Well then, I can't see why, but you'd be better off just using ROSA Desktop. After all, ROSA helped with Mandriva's latest release to be what it is, and ROSA's distribution is mostly the same. Considering so many Mandriva developers jumped ship to Mageia, and many of the remaining developers later moved to ROSA, Mandriva is dead in the water.

Edited 2012-05-19 05:36 UTC

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RE[2]: Why would you ?
by moondevil on Sat 19th May 2012 06:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Why would you ?"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

It is very sad to see it go.

In the good old days, Mandrake used to be one of my favourite distributions, like Ubuntu is for me nowadays.

Its support for Pentium only processors and a pleasant desktop experience, when compared with other distributions, was great.

But then they started going into the wrong direction...

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RE[3]: Why would you ?
by zima on Sat 19th May 2012 16:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Why would you ?"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Its support for Pentium only processors [...] was great.

Did it ever make more than negligible difference? (and not necessarily in "desired" direction - including, IIRC, somewhat larger executables ...effectively more hungry for L2, memory bandwidth, and such?)

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RE[4]: Why would you ?
by moondevil on Sat 19th May 2012 21:08 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Why would you ?"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

It sure did back in 1996 with my Pentium 166 MHz tower running with 32 MB, if memory does not fail me.

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RE[5]: Why would you ?
by darknexus on Sun 20th May 2012 13:17 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Why would you ?"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

It sure did back in 1996 with my Pentium 166 MHz tower running with 32 MB, if memory does not fail me.


Oh, it sure did, when it worked. My most prominent memory of Mandrake, however, is version 6.0 where they used pgcc 1.1.3. Seg faults and signal 11s all over the place when there was not a single thing wrong with my hardware, and outdated packages to boot.

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Comment by zima
by zima on Sat 26th May 2012 23:59 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Why would you ?"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't know, all the tests I've seen suggested (if memory does not fail me) that such compile-time optimisations usually give negligible gains, at best (and, in very memory & bandwidth constrained situations, sometimes harm - but really, also negligible)

If that was about "feel" ...easy to fall into ~placebo without proper ABX procedures, with such minuscule differences. RAM amount and HDD speed were more responsible for feel also back then.
(and certainly are on my dual PII 266 that I keep around)

Edited 2012-05-27 00:08 UTC

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RE[2]: Why would you ?
by NuxRo on Sat 19th May 2012 08:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Why would you ?"
NuxRo Member since:
2010-09-25

+1 kill Mandriva s.a. - by now I'm sure it has lost most of its customer and the rest are looking to move anyway. Piss poor management, a lot of wasted dev talent and a perfect example on how to shit on your community.

http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/54808-mandriv...

+1 for Rosa! It rocks!

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RE[2]: Why would you ?
by zima on Sat 19th May 2012 16:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Why would you ?"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06
RE: Why would you ?
by bassbeast on Mon 21st May 2012 10:25 UTC in reply to "Why would you ?"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Because all you are doing is reinventing the wheel over and over and over? The problem with linux is you have too few devs spread over too many projects and it shows. look at the bug trackers for any major distro and see how many bugs are two years old or more...there are a LOT of bugs that old.

It seems each bunch changes just enough to make their work not really relevant to the others and that is just a shame. Imagine how quickly bugs could be fixed if there were only 3 or 4 to work on instead of the hundreds on distrowatch?

In the case of Mandriva its even more pointless as much of the community and devs went with the 2010 fork (Mageia I think?) so all you will end up with is a zombie distro like Xandros, alive in name only but all but dead because everyone has moved on.

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time for a new direction or an old one?
by TechGeek on Sun 20th May 2012 02:50 UTC
TechGeek
Member since:
2006-01-14

NM: I made a wrong assumption.

Edited 2012-05-20 02:52 UTC

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Comment by Anonymous Penguin
by Anonymous Penguin on Sun 20th May 2012 12:26 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

Bernhard Rosenkränzer as release manager.


Those who know Linux history will know what that means.
It means, among others, Ark Linux, a beautiful distro early last decade.
He used to be a great KDE contributor as well.

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Package management
by Priest on Sun 20th May 2012 15:55 UTC
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2006-05-12

Desktop Linux distros are still mostly defined by package management. I don't think I have used an RPM based distro since Ubuntu launched. At the same time I would have hoped by 2012 using package managers and repositories would have been optional.

It is still a little sad to see Mandrake pretty much officially dead.

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RE: Package management
by Neolander on Sun 20th May 2012 17:46 UTC in reply to "Package management"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Well, while I don't like some of their technical decisions, Fedora has served me well as far as RPM distros are concerned, since I have become fed up with Ubuntu's breakages and weird UI experiments around 2010.

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But Mageia..?
by reez on Sun 20th May 2012 16:45 UTC
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2006-06-28

Does that really make sense? From what I get the community built it's own distribution. If that's true then who exactly is controlling Mandriva?

http://www.mageia.org/

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