Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 20th Jan 2009 22:25 UTC
Intel We already reported on the fact that updated Intel Atom chips are expected to arrive somewhere in the second half of 2009. With the Atom being Intel's only platform that's actually profitable, it makes sense for the chip maker to focus a lot of effort into improving the platform. Information provided by the usually-reliable DigiTimes points to some serious improvements making their way to Intel's Atom chip. The new chip is codenamed Pineview.
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tisk tisk
by poundsmack on Tue 20th Jan 2009 22:40 UTC
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someone got their info wrong (tisk tisk DigiTimes). the GMA 950 will NOT be used (at least in the final product, but will be used in praliminary sample boards). it will instead use GMA 500 as seen here http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/embedded/SCHUS15W/index.htm

Edited 2009-01-20 22:42 UTC

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RE: tisk tisk
by Narishma on Tue 20th Jan 2009 23:43 UTC in reply to "tisk tisk"
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2005-07-06

Isn't the GMA 500 way better than the current 950?

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RE[2]: tisk tisk
by poundsmack on Wed 21st Jan 2009 00:13 UTC in reply to "RE: tisk tisk"
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2005-07-13

oh ya, leaps and bounds better. like, "woa! was the intel? nice!" though ion still wins, but this is suprisingly close.

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RE[3]: tisk tisk
by 1c3d0g on Wed 21st Jan 2009 02:52 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: tisk tisk"
1c3d0g Member since:
2005-07-06

Thanks, Poundsmack. I was about to scream in horror when I first heard that Intel was integrating its crappy GMA 950 IGP into the Atom. It's good to hear this is not the case, and that they'll license a capable chip design/arch from PowerVR.

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RE[4]: tisk tisk
by Lobotomik on Wed 21st Jan 2009 06:51 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: tisk tisk"
Lobotomik Member since:
2006-01-03

Good!

Improved grahpics performance should really come handy in not-really-overpowered netbooks. And hardware video acceleration will make it a good candidate for a low-cost media box. But,

Bad!

PowerVR has not ever released public information on the internal workings of their accelerators, and as such there are no open-source drivers for Linux. This will make it a nasty chore to run up-to-date Linux distros on it, which is very bad.

I hope PowerVR comes to reason (or is pushed by Intel into it) and releases the necessary programming information. Intel should know this is a Good Thing, since ther GMA9xx chips, underpowered as they may be, (almost) always work like a dream in Linux, out of the box, and are usually the first to receive the latest innovations.

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RE[5]: tisk tisk
by Adurbe on Wed 21st Jan 2009 11:42 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: tisk tisk"
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2005-07-06

950s work because they are popular and generic

Im sure the linux (and oss) community in general will find a way of getting the 500 working just as well :-)

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RE[4]: tisk tisk
by poundsmack on Wed 21st Jan 2009 20:16 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: tisk tisk"
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2005-07-13

Tungsten Graphics is currently writing the linux drivers for the GMA 500 chipset. though I am not sure anyone will be able to verify that as of current, but good linux suport is not far off.

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Atom and Freescale
by TheIdiotThatIsMe on Wed 21st Jan 2009 00:39 UTC
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2006-06-17

The Atom chip seems to be pretty impressive, but unfortunately Atom netbooks for me are still too expensive. For the use of most netbooks (email, internet, basic media) can still be well accomplished by older small laptops, which be bought used cheaper than a new atom notebook for meeting roughly the same needs. It seems the Atom will always be for higher end notebooks.

I love the Atom, but I am currently waiting to see how Freescale's efforts pan out. If they can crank out a roughly $200 ARM/Linux based netbook, I will go with that for the main reason I would use a netbook (portable writing).

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RE: Atom and Freescale
by lemur2 on Wed 21st Jan 2009 01:44 UTC in reply to "Atom and Freescale"
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2007-02-17

I love the Atom, but I am currently waiting to see how Freescale's efforts pan out. If they can crank out a roughly $200 ARM/Linux based netbook, I will go with that for the main reason I would use a netbook (portable writing).


http://products.liliputing.com/products/?id=249

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RE: Atom and Freescale
by poundsmack on Wed 21st Jan 2009 02:22 UTC in reply to "Atom and Freescale"
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RE[2]: Atom and Freescale
by bnolsen on Wed 21st Jan 2009 02:34 UTC in reply to "RE: Atom and Freescale"
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2006-01-06

I believe the pxa is an old armv9 implementation which doesn't hold a candle whatsoever to the cortex a8 series.

I'm putting my money on the freescale one. They MUST however put an acer aspire one/samsung nc10 style keyboard which doesn't destroy the right shift key's useability.

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RE[3]: Atom and Freescale
by bnolsen on Wed 21st Jan 2009 03:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Atom and Freescale"
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2006-01-06

Ugh I take that back. I have zero idea how this will perform compared with cortex a8. What I do note is that the graphics core advertises no 3d acceleration whatsoever.

Of interest might be what the WMXX2 brings to the table, if this unit provides full dp support and how well this unit integrates with the whole cpu. One weakness of the Cortex A8 is that the neon unit runs asynchronously and if care isn't taken the main cpu may stall 20 clock cycles on accessing the neon unit's output.

That being said I wonder what the south bridge will look like on these new atoms and how much power that will take

Edited 2009-01-21 03:34 UTC

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RE: Atom and Freescale
by Lobotomik on Wed 21st Jan 2009 06:57 UTC in reply to "Atom and Freescale"
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2006-01-03

Arent Atom netbooks already available second-hand at lower prices?

Even if the performance is the same as an older laptop, battery life in my Asus 901 is way, way better than I've ever had in a laptop. I doubt you can get better than that at a competitive price, even second hand.

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Atom is good for small..
by fithisux on Wed 21st Jan 2009 08:15 UTC
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2006-01-22

desktops. Morover it is supported by Opensolaris!!!I wonder when they will finish their BlueTooth stack.

Edited 2009-01-21 08:15 UTC

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RE: Atom is good for small..
by kaiwai on Wed 21st Jan 2009 09:08 UTC in reply to "Atom is good for small.."
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2005-07-06

desktops. Morover it is supported by Opensolaris!!!I wonder when they will finish their BlueTooth stack.


From what I understand, the bluetooth work is on hold for more important things; I wouldn't be surprised to see it not in there for quite some time given the low priority. Very few people outside the niche scenario's I find use it.

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Why no dual core for netbooks?
by Michael on Wed 21st Jan 2009 13:30 UTC
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2005-07-01

Title says it all. Is it a power thing? A cooling thing? What's the problem?

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