Linked by David Adams on Sun 3rd Jul 2011 17:28 UTC, submitted by Jennimc
In the News Apple is likely to replace Hewlett-Packard (HP) as the global number one notebook vendor in 2012 if tablet PCs are included in the calculation of global notebook shipments, according to industry sources.
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by broken_symlink on Sun 3rd Jul 2011 17:45 UTC
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The link is broken.

Anyway, I don't see how HP is the leader. Their laptops aren't that good. The only one who ships anything I'd consider buying is sony. Their S series looks pretty good.

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by MOS6510 on Sun 3rd Jul 2011 18:06 UTC in reply to "link broken"
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Leader as in units sold/money earned I guess.

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by Megol on Sun 3rd Jul 2011 18:56 UTC in reply to "link broken"
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HP make some nice machines IMHO.
As for the news, shouldn't we consider "smartphones" as notebooks too given the same logic? The usage patterns seems comparable and hardware wise a tablet is a smartphone on growth hormones.

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by vivainio on Sun 3rd Jul 2011 19:07 UTC in reply to "link broken"
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HP is pretty popular among consumers that deem affordability more important than other considerations like performance and portability.

They do make pretty crappy laptops from what I have seen.

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by laffer1 on Sun 3rd Jul 2011 21:49 UTC in reply to "RE: link broken"
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I've heard mixed things about HP, but they do make a few machines with core i3/i5 chips at the 12-14 inch size which is getting harder to find. Dell has two models (if you count the vostro line). Almost everything at that size ships with a crappy netbook cpu now (AMD's fusion chips or something slow from intel at 1.3Ghz). I think it really depends what market segment you're talking about. HP workstation systems are on par with Dell (both are not great). At 15-17 inch sizes, there are many alternatives to HP.

As far as low cost goes, Toshiba's lineup is better on price. I bought a $300 laptop 2 years ago that's still ticking. I didn't care about speed as I have two desktops for that, but I didn't want a netbook POS.

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by testman on Mon 4th Jul 2011 00:03 UTC in reply to "RE: link broken"
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We use HP laptops here and with one exception: so far, so good. Even then, they replaced it the same day after a quick phone call.

It was a much better experience than the one we had with Dell.

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by edgeofsanity on Mon 4th Jul 2011 02:21 UTC in reply to "RE: link broken"
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After several crappy sony/dell laptops i switched to HP. They are great so far. No problems at all. I run cpu intensive things like model checking. I even spilled beer on one of them. Still kicks! Though I have to admit Apple machines looks bullet proof! Somehow I don't like osx, sorry. So no apple for me.
On the matter, I think tablets are not laptops. They don't replace a laptop. I need my hp at work or when working; I cannot imagine working with my tablet, it would crash and burn when I model check. When at home not working, I can use my tablet for netflix.

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by Megol on Mon 4th Jul 2011 11:54 UTC in reply to "RE: link broken"
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HP is pretty popular among consumers that deem affordability more important than other considerations like performance and portability.

They do make pretty crappy laptops from what I have seen.

Better than the Dell and Sony machines I've used (which I didn't find "crappy" either). Ignoring the no.1 flaw in consumer machines (glossy screens) the quality is very good and the professional machines (proboook/elitebook) are even better.

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by vivainio on Mon 4th Jul 2011 14:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: link broken"
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Better than the Dell and Sony machines I've used (which I didn't find "crappy" either). Ignoring the no.1 flaw in consumer machines (glossy screens) the quality is very good and the professional machines (proboook/elitebook) are even better.


I had an elitebook for a while, it required huge amount of power and big batteries, when you consider how bad the performance on that machine was. Others I've talked with don't like elitebook much either.

As far as pro laptops go, Lenovo Thinkpad is always a safe bet.

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Comment by smashIt
by smashIt on Sun 3rd Jul 2011 21:16 UTC
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HPs 40mio vs. apples 15mio laptops
yeah, looks like hp is the looser

maybe one day analysts will notice thet pads are not pcs, but appliances...

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RE: Comment by smashIt
by testman on Sun 3rd Jul 2011 23:57 UTC in reply to "Comment by smashIt"
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maybe one day analysts will notice thet pads are not pcs, but appliances...

...and maybe one day geeks will accept that the same is now true of your average home computer.

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RE: Comment by smashIt
by burnttoys on Tue 5th Jul 2011 07:15 UTC in reply to "Comment by smashIt"
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Average Selling Price?

Profit Margin?

A quick look on Amazon show HP's top selling laptop costs 320 quid. Apples costs 889 quid. Bet Apple make better profits on those machines too.

A vast majority of computers are appliances (both literally and metaphorically). Most get used for writing short documents (usually with clip art) maybe a little spread sheeting and LOADS of web stuff. The rest of use is made up by iTunes type apps, interent radio, CD/DVD burning and some REALLY simple video editing. Oh, and it the hardcore corner we have the gamers. God bless 'em.

No-one goes "Hmmm... I've got 30 mintues spare... I'll hack on that C++ synth backend and my Qt audio streamer is still stuttering... I wonder how far I can push WebGL" except me and the usual sort that hang out here!

I've been engineering for a long time and I've found the largest change over the years has been to adopt a "users" mentality. The "it isn't a computer it's an appliance" is a rather, IMNSHO, meaningless comparison.

Some time ago, when I started doing this for money, I wrote data analysis software for F1. It was a nice app in terms of the GUI (well, as nice as EGA will let you be) but it was techy software aimed at people, who although not computer literate, where engineers themselves.

Now I'm working in mobile and we need to make the sort of applications that my mum or my missus or kids would use. This is very profound change.

Here's a bad car analogy. If we equate the car market and the computer market we are somewhere around 1940 to 1950. There were many people that fixed their own cars and knew how they worked back then. But even then most people took there car to a mechanic. By the 1970s, 1980s very few people worked on their cars. Now, almost nobody (it's a hobby for a few).

Computers will follow that line too. Now we are slowly entering the 60's and 70's (in car terms). They are becoming more robust, they are becoming an object that people use rather than work on.

Over the next 10 years this will happen more and more although we will reach a point were the markets separate I think. It seems to be happening now. In general, users really don't want to be administrators in the same way they don't want to spend there weekends fixing a new exhaust pipe or head gasket. They want to go driving.

Adopting the users mentality is still very hard. Cars have, generally, a fixed set of use cases (most people don't go off-roading). Computers, well, we're still seeing what can be done.

There's a lot of exploration to be had in the big little box.

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by spiderman on Tue 5th Jul 2011 08:38 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by smashIt"
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lower profit margin = lower average selling price = more units sold. If HP has lower profits margin then it wins the market. HP does indeed sell low cost computers but it also sells very expensive servers.

Computers are not just appliances. You rethoric focuses on mum and joe sixpack. You ignore that computers are used business, in all the pretty much any industry, in IT, in finance and banking, in governments, in research, in schools and many other fields. There are about 2 million IT workers in Germany, out a population of 80 million people and that number is increasing. Your mum surfing the internet and sending emails is just the visible part of the computer users, the one that Apple targets. HP targets those but also businesses, ERP, BI, CAD, etc. Apple ignores businesses, except maybe artists.

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by burnttoys on Tue 5th Jul 2011 09:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by smashIt"
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The users in business, industry, finance etc use the computer as an appliance just as they'd use a fax machine, photo copier, pager or mobile phone.

They don't investigate it, they don't program it - they might be using custom apps.

I'm not sure what "IT Worker" means but I'd also suggest that those who design website, for example, also use the machine as an appliance.

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How to get easy revenue from your home.
by spiderman on Mon 4th Jul 2011 05:55 UTC
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Write anything about Apple, accurate or not. Put some adverts on your page and wait for all the major tech news site link to your blog. Alternatively, you can write anything about technology and try to add Apple afterwards. Oh and don't forget to mention "according to industry sources", no need to list them. You can also cite "some market research firms" and why not "some analysts", or "some experts" (of course you are the industry sources, the market research firm, the analysts and the experts).

Edited 2011-07-04 06:10 UTC

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Comment by Laurence
by Laurence on Mon 4th Jul 2011 11:08 UTC
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Apple is likely to replace Hewlett-Packard (HP) as the global number one notebook vendor in 2012 if tablet PCs are included in the calculation of global notebook shipments

The iPad series are not portable PCs and thus should not be counted as such in market figures.

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RE: Comment by Laurence
by unoengborg on Mon 4th Jul 2011 15:55 UTC in reply to "Comment by Laurence"
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2005-07-06

HP makes tablets that runs WebOS as well, so I guess a comparison of Apple Notebooks and iPads against HP Notebooks and pads is valid in some sense.

However, most of us would probably compare Notebooks to Notebooks and tablets to tablets as this is very different products.

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RE[2]: Comment by Laurence
by spiderman on Mon 4th Jul 2011 20:10 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Laurence"
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2008-10-23

I would compare Dell+HP+Lenovo+Sony+Acer+Asus+all IBM compatible PC to Apple but maybe that is just me. It looks to me like there is less difference between a HP and a Lenovo than between a MacBook Pro and a MacBook Air. I believe it is fair to compare Apple vs the rest of the world since the rest of the world run the same OS and the same software with the same hardware. What is the point in comparing Apple to HP or Dell? It's about the ecosystem.

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RE[3]: Comment by Laurence
by zima on Tue 5th Jul 2011 16:13 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Laurence"
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2005-07-06

[...] It's about the ecosystem, remember?

Modified a bit, it seems like a nice line to use on some people... ;>

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