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Good for you sir. You are person of integrity. If you don't like a company, don't buy their stuff. Anything else is hypocrisy.

52?
You come off sounding like a 23 year old bell‐end.

You’ve done well on the stock market buying a company when it was just leaving rock bottom prices. Be thankful for that in itself.

The lists of Apple stuff bought, sounds a bit like "mine is bigger then yours".

I never understood and will never understand these people, consider them the ultimate polluters.
Have a glimps at http://phonestory.org/

I never bought anything from Apple and never will.

I've been free from Microsoft/Apple and I've been using Linux for the last 12 years, and it feels great!

So long Microsoft/Apple.

Edited 2011-12-11 04:24 UTC

Agreed. They deserve being boycotted by any honest person.

Yeah, Apple is trouble, as demonstrated by the fact that they own the bulk of the tablet market, the bulk of the music player market, the fact that they have the #1 (iPhone 4s) the #2 (iPhone 4) and the number #3 (iPhone 3GS) smartphone in the market, their the top brand in the world, they have the highest satisfaction of any OEM, they are the number 1 company on the planet by market cap, they have the most cash of any company on the planet, yadda yadda yadda.

Their major competitors - Samsung's - argument in the US courts recently was that the design patent violations were not harming Apple because Apple was already making as many devices as they could sell!!!

You need to really ease off on the kool-aid.

He doesn't say Apple is in trouble. Apple is losing their death grip on markets. Any device maker can get a free OS with the highest marketshare to make anything they want: smartphone, tv, mp3player, tablet. It has also become very easy to integrate wireless connectivity in these devices so you don't have to connect them to a pc anymore. Which means you can use an itunes competitor on the web like amazon or any other cloud service.

So Apple will be playing on a level playing field. Let's see how well they will do.

Edited 2011-12-10 06:35 UTC

US market.
The world is a bit bigger than US.

US market.
The world is a bit bigger than US. "

Company UK with 12 employees. 1 techie, the rest are consumers. We have, 5 iPhones, 1 Windows phone 7, 1 Android, 3 blackberries, 2 Nokia dumb phones. 2 of those iPhones were bought in the last 2 months. Windows 7 phone was a "good sales man", and Blackberry users would likely go IPhone or Android on their next phone.

This is pretty much the experience I've had in general. People who identify with business seem to go Backberry. People who are looking for a cheap phone end up with Android or Windows Phone 7, people who avoid modernity have old school phones. Everyone else has an iPhone.

Yes, because your "personal experience" is valid for everyone, everywhere, in the entire world!

Geez, you Apple fanboys are weird.

Hum, how to say that gently... the world is a bit bigger than an UK 12 persons company *too*.

Android is kicking iOS's ass. Apple is scared shitless over Android.

The alternative would be to not file the claim. Like everyone else is doing.


Actually, they are saying "these are our patents, and we're going to enforce them."


So? That's the whole point of the W3C's patent policy.


I agree. A single company being idiots does not make it a conspiracy.

It's clear that Apple is doing this to create problems for open standards, though.

And Adobe, Microsoft and others aren't complete and utter c-nts? Adobe and their sabotaging HTML5 at every opportunity, Firefox claiming to support standards only to either fail to implement them properly or if they do so but in a broken way thus making use of the standard completely pointless. Sorry but undermining open standards is a game that all the players in the IT market partake in - the question is how blind are you towards the companies that you cheerlead for.

I'd agree so far as I think Microsoft generally gets off easy here on OSNews, however it doesn't change my opinion that Apple is getting what they deserve.

Sorry, but no. Just for laughs, I just checked our analytics software, and Gruber doesn't even register on our radar. If you have ~400000 unique visitors per month, Gruber doesn't really affect you all that much.

Also, we don't make a lot of money, you know. Those few ads we do have aren't making us rich, not by a long shot. We can keep the site running, and that's about it.



If you act like a dick, don't be surprised if someone calls you a dick.

In this case though Thom, only a certain blogger is acting like a dick.

You and Apple are bloggers?

Just like Transparency International are dicks when they point out corruption and lack of public office transparency...

I doubt OSNews makes much money (I know from my own ad revenue), but it would be much lower without us arguing about Apple.

Apple are no better or worse than any of the big tech companies, but they trade on PR (how else do you compete in a commodity market?) so everything they do is high profile.

I should add that, OSNews is still a valuable place! Due to an article posted here I made contact with A guy called Jonathan Schleifer who's framework software looks like it might be perfect for certain projects I'm involved it!

My point is it's the noise that keeps this place going, and let's the signal come through.

Operating system news is a special interest topic, it doesn't generate many hits... Bashing Apple will shift your hit count by orders of magnitude, and high hit counts mean more Ad revenue... Thom is just protecting the site's revenue stream... At least we still get the odd snippet of OSNews here and there, so that's nice "

You got me there. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't losing my mind or something. LOL!

Apple fanboys are amusing.

Really? Please enlighten us as to whom you refer.

The Apple fanboys whining over criticism of Apple.

Sorry to say, I do not like MS either. I build my own machine, run Kubuntu on it and I hate MS for what they did to the web, I am still confronted with websites build with frontpage 4, trying to explain people that it is a dead end.

But, . . . that does not make Apple any better.

But, . . . that does not make Apple any better. "

Right. My point was not if Apple was right or wrong or indifferent. My point was that ALL is see is Apple is evil on here now. Not Google when they do crazy stuff or Microsoft when they do crazy stuff.

On some days (Like yesterday) you will have 3 4 stories about how Apple is the devil. Really? Its a company like any other. Almost all companies do dirt. Google included.

Pure and utter BS.


Your attempt at defending Apple is just embarrassing and pathetic. You want people to stop criticizing Apple because Apple does so much evil shit anyway, so that's why it's wrong to cover them when they do evil shit?

Give me a break.

If Apple had stopped doing evil shit all the time they wouldn't be called out on it either.

So this makes it acceptable for Apple to behave like this?

Last time I checked Thom was an equal opportunity basher; when Microsoft and Apple didn't get behind WebM he equally called them both out on the matter so Thom is hardly inconsistent - he'll praise a company when it needs to be praised and bashed when it deserves to be bashed.

For me Apple is just like every other company out there; good, bad and ugly all mixed up and what you see out there is what you get.

Last time I checked Thom was an equal opportunity basher; when Microsoft and Apple didn't get behind WebM he equally called them both out on the matter so Thom is hardly inconsistent - he'll praise a company when it needs to be praised and bashed when it deserves to be bashed. For me Apple is just like every other company out there; good, bad and ugly all mixed up and what you see out there is what you get. "

Quite right, he has called out others... But he totally missed all the hot patent action happening with HTC and some other patent troll stuff... So many of us get a bit bored with his constant interest in Apple.

Edited 2011-12-10 20:47 UTC

What was that? Do you have a link?


You don't get it, do you? Apple is huge. When Apple does something, it has a huge impact on the market. It's natural that one of the most powerful companies on the planet are scrutinized. In fact, it's a good thing.

I think he was referring to when HTC bought out S3 (technically both are owned by the same people so it was a matter of re-arranging the chairs on the deck). The argument one could make is that HTC only bought out S3 to screw over Apple.



True, and if he doesn't like it he can always avoid those stories - there are lots of uninteresting stories on OSNews.com which I ignore but I'm sure are really interesting to other readers. One of the things I do find funny are the number of people who run from Apple to Microsoft then to Sun Microsystems then back to Microsoft then over to Linux then back to Microsoft again - looking for someone or something they can put in a pedestal and worship like a deity. Whether you're running Windows, Mac OS X or some other platform the parent company will always do a mixture of good, bad and ugly - this idea of injecting so much emotional investment into owning a computer seems a little strange from my point of view.

It was Apple that sued HTC first, if I am not mistaken. So Apple tried to screw over HTC. HTC, then, bought S3 to defend itself, not to screw anyone over (did they start using these patents against anyone else?).

I think the difference between Apple and MS is the just the shear level of hypocrisy you get from Apple, somehow MS just seems more honestly evil.

WTF? Are you drunk or something?

That if you assume it's normal for everyone to be a pig. A rather morbid view. I'd say differently to them - don't be a pig.

Edited 2011-12-12 23:06 UTC