Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Jan 2017 11:05 UTC
Android

In terms of hardware, the Nokia 6 offers a 5.5-inch Full HD display with 2.5D curved glass, Snapdragon 430 SoC, 4GB of RAM, 64GB storage, microSD slot, dual-SIM connectivity, 16MP camera at the back with PDAF, Dolby Atmos sound with stereo speakers, Bluetooth 4.1, LTE, 3000mAh battery, and a fingerprint sensor. The phone runs Android 7.0 Nougat out of the box.

Not exactly the most exciting phone.

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This is not NOKIA
by Ragnarok on Mon 9th Jan 2017 11:09 UTC
Ragnarok
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2017-01-04

It's not NOKIA. As it says in the beginning of the article, one company acquired rights to NOKIA brand and is now putting it on this thing. It's even less related to NOKIA than Marshall phone is related to Marshall Amplifiers.

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RE: This is not NOKIA
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 9th Jan 2017 11:13 UTC in reply to "This is not NOKIA"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

It's not NOKIA. As it says in the beginning of the article, one company acquired rights to NOKIA brand and is now putting it on this thing. It's even less related to NOKIA than Marshall phone is related to Marshall Amplifiers.


Very few companies actually make their own phones.

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RE[2]: This is not NOKIA
by Ragnarok on Mon 9th Jan 2017 11:26 UTC in reply to "RE: This is not NOKIA"
Ragnarok Member since:
2017-01-04

Very few companies actually make their own phones.

And yet putting such iconic PHONE brand as NOKIA on just another generic Android phone from random never before heard company is still not right. People will definitely get confused, thinking this is some kind of old NOKIA renaissance, a phone made by former legend, etc. It's a "NOKIA branded" phone.

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RE[3]: This is not NOKIA
by terrakotta on Mon 9th Jan 2017 12:02 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: This is not NOKIA"
terrakotta Member since:
2010-04-21

The people working in that unknown company are NOKIA personnel from the past who were working on the phones that made NOKIA such an iconic phone brand.
If they should ever make it back in the game. The networking giant called NOKIA, will buy it up immediately.

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RE[3]: This is not NOKIA
by Adurbe on Mon 9th Jan 2017 12:04 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: This is not NOKIA"
Adurbe Member since:
2005-07-06

Many brands are no longer their original owners but do fairly well, lets take cars because we ALL love a care analogy.

Rolls Royce / British --> BMW / German
Jaguar / British --> Tata / Indian
Ferrari / Italian --> Fiat / Still Italian
Skoda / Czech --> Volkswagen / German

Volkswagen took the Skoda brand (one that was horribly tarnished) and with some clever marketing, its now one of the most popular car brands in the UK.

Brands are just that, the brand, the image. They are bought and sold like any other commodity. Based on the quality of the product, that brand can go up or down.

In the mobile market we now have;

Motorola / USA --> Lenovo / China
Blackberry / Canada --> TCL / China
Nokia / Finland --> HMD /China

The trend is clearly that western brands are sought after in China. If you saw a HMD on the shelf would you pick it up or think "no name Chinese brand". See a Nokia sitting there, "I remember Nokia, they were really good" *picks up phone*

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RE[4]: This is not NOKIA
by Ragnarok on Mon 9th Jan 2017 13:41 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: This is not NOKIA"
Ragnarok Member since:
2017-01-04

If you saw a HMD on the shelf would you pick it up or think "no name Chinese brand". See a Nokia sitting there, "I remember Nokia, they were really good" *picks up phone*

Exactly my point. To me, this is deception, cheating and misleading of customers.

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RE[5]: This is not NOKIA
by Adurbe on Mon 9th Jan 2017 14:30 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: This is not NOKIA"
Adurbe Member since:
2005-07-06

Is Disney a misleading brand because Walt is dead and no one from the family is still around?

I appreciate I am being a bit devils advocate, but the logic follows. If you allow one company to buy another, by definition the brands will move. You can't only expect the originator to use it.

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RE[5]: This is not NOKIA
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 9th Jan 2017 14:38 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: This is not NOKIA"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Exactly my point. To me, this is deception, cheating and misleading of customers.


But HMD is staffed almost completely by the very same people who used to make phones at Nokia.

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RE[6]: This is not NOKIA
by Ragnarok on Mon 9th Jan 2017 14:47 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: This is not NOKIA"
Ragnarok Member since:
2017-01-04

But HMD is staffed almost completely by the very same people who used to make phones at Nokia.

Ah, that I did not know. This makes it a little better, then.

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RE[6]: This is not NOKIA
by Verenkeitin on Mon 9th Jan 2017 21:56 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: This is not NOKIA"
Verenkeitin Member since:
2007-07-01

"Exactly my point. To me, this is deception, cheating and misleading of customers.


But HMD is staffed almost completely by the very same people who used to make phones at Nokia.
"

Engineers who actually designed the phones or management who ran the company to the ground?

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RE[5]: This is not NOKIA
by Phucked on Mon 9th Jan 2017 23:03 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: This is not NOKIA"
Phucked Member since:
2008-09-24

"If you saw a HMD on the shelf would you pick it up or think "no name Chinese brand". See a Nokia sitting there, "I remember Nokia, they were really good" *picks up phone*

Exactly my point. To me, this is deception, cheating and misleading of customers.
"

HMD is a Finnish company which Nokia has given access to their patents and name.

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RE[4]: This is not NOKIA
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 10th Jan 2017 19:19 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: This is not NOKIA"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Well, Those are all examples where the new company bought the old. That's different than Nokia's situation. Its more like

Bell & Howell
Sharper Image
RCA
Westinghouse

The original companies behind these have nothing to do with the products that now bear their names. Anyone can make a Sharper Image product for the right price.

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RE[3]: This is not NOKIA
by VistaUser on Tue 10th Jan 2017 21:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: This is not NOKIA"
VistaUser Member since:
2008-03-08

AFAIK HMD Global was the Nokia phone manufcturing business, which then was sold to Microsoft and has now been sold/spun off into its own company.

It is now manufacturing Nokia phones, like it did a few yers ago when it was Nokia.

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RE: This is not NOKIA
by hdjhfds on Mon 9th Jan 2017 11:54 UTC in reply to "This is not NOKIA"
hdjhfds Member since:
2013-08-19

But they managed to capture the spirit of Nokia, that's using thoroughly mediocre hardware specs in flagships.

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RE[2]: This is not NOKIA
by Licaon_Kter on Mon 9th Jan 2017 18:55 UTC in reply to "RE: This is not NOKIA"
Licaon_Kter Member since:
2010-03-19

The pre-launch rumors were about 2 devices, this might be the weaker one. eg: http://www.knowyourmobile.com/mobile-phones/nokia-c1/23369/nokia-c1...

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RE[2]: This is not NOKIA
by nicubunu on Tue 10th Jan 2017 07:49 UTC in reply to "RE: This is not NOKIA"
nicubunu Member since:
2014-01-08

Which flagship? We are talking here about a midrange device priced at 250$.

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RE: This is not NOKIA
by unclefester on Tue 10th Jan 2017 03:07 UTC in reply to "This is not NOKIA"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

It's not NOKIA. As it says in the beginning of the article, one company acquired rights to NOKIA brand and is now putting it on this thing. It's even less related to NOKIA than Marshall phone is related to Marshall Amplifiers.


Not a lot different to Apple. I'm sure that Foxconn and the various suppliers are very heavily involved in the deign and engineering of the the iPhone.

Edited 2017-01-10 03:11 UTC

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Sound technology
by atsureki on Mon 9th Jan 2017 15:01 UTC
atsureki
Member since:
2006-03-12

Dolby Atmos sound with stereo speakers


I bought my home theater system something like a month before Atmos came out, and I occasionally feel a tinge of missed opportunity.

Then I see that name used to describe something like this, and I am assured there was literally nothing to miss.

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Commodore
by lighans on Mon 9th Jan 2017 16:06 UTC
lighans
Member since:
2006-01-14

Reading the comments I have remembered my commodore computer. It was already a brand which had been sold by another computermanufacturer (I thought Tulip).

Still a computer which worked...

There is a discussion now in NL about cheap products from chinese vendors:
http://www.vpro.nl/programmas/prijsvechter/gidsartikel.html (dutch, google translate is your friend).

Also this article about shanzai products is interesting:
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/shanzai

I think that this nokia is a shanzai product as well. Looking like an iPhone, dual sim, cheap, and reasonly packed with specs.

And who cares how long it sells. You just buy a new brand and start all over again.

But. Personally I have doubts. In case of phones and computers there is little difference between a cheap chinese phone and an expensive American phone, made in China. The biggest difference is where the money goes. It would be interesting to see what happens cheap chinese human employees are replaced by cheap robots. Is it worth making phones in Europe or America instead of China? Will environment and economics benefit?

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RE: Commodore
by leech on Mon 9th Jan 2017 19:31 UTC in reply to "Commodore"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

Funny, I was going to post this;
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/commodore-smartphone/

Yay for bringing back old brands? I miss my Nokia N9 and N900. Well, I still have them, but necessity of needing some newer software required me to get an Android phone, and (as Golum would say) I hates it.

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Comment by allanregistos
by allanregistos on Tue 10th Jan 2017 01:39 UTC
allanregistos
Member since:
2011-02-10

Not exactly the most exciting phone.

From a very exciting brand name, NOKIA. There, fixed it for you.

I would love to replace Asus Zen 3 Max for this Nokia.

Welcome back Nokia, hoping some people in China will give me one.

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Not exactly the most exciting phone...
by unclefester on Tue 10th Jan 2017 03:02 UTC
unclefester
Member since:
2007-01-13

Not exactly the most exciting phone.


WTF? The USD245 Nokia 6 has specs better than many phones costing 3x the price.

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stelios Member since:
2011-03-03

I have to agree with you, for that price I would say it is a very good phone. Adreno 430? Usually you find that on premium phones.

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Comment by leos
by leos on Tue 10th Jan 2017 21:10 UTC
leos
Member since:
2005-09-21

Why do companies think it's a good thing that their manufacturing processes are slow?

It takes 55 minutes to machine a single Nokia 6 from a solid block of 6000 series aluminium. It then receives two separate anodising processes, taking over ten hours to complete

That's like when I see "made in small batches" on a massive bag of popcorn at Costco. I don't want that, I want efficiency!

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