Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Aug 2005 17:49 UTC
Windows Microsoft on Monday signed off on the Windows Vista SDK, or software development kit, which will enable developers to create applications for the next-generation Windows release. The SDK, complete with code samples, tools and documentation will be available via MSDN and distributed at next month's PDC conference in LA. In addition, Microsoft has finally released an updated version of Messenger:Mac, bringing it up to par with its Windows brother.
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v Msn 5 sucks
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 18:30 UTC
RE: Msn 5 sucks
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 9th Aug 2005 18:41 UTC in reply to "Msn 5 sucks"
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Please get your facts straight. Messenger:Mac 5 *does* support custom emoticons. It says so right there on the page.

It does not support winks and nudges; but it has another feature that more than makes up for that: the ability to connect to both a personal *and* corporate network, simultaniously, in a tabbed interface. Because of this, you can even have contacts from other IM networks!

The above feature means a lot more to ie. corporate users than stupid useless nudges and winks. "Up to par" does *not* nescesarily mean: equal to in every specific area.

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RE[2]: Msn 5 sucks
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 19:12 UTC in reply to "RE: Msn 5 sucks"
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"Up to par" does *not* nescesarily mean: equal to in every specific area.

Yes it does. With different features, the two versions are simply not comparable. In other words, it is not "up to par" with the other.

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RE[2]: Msn 5 sucks
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 15:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Msn 5 sucks"
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Please learn how to read. I said "no custom or animated emoticon sending support". See that little word called SENDING? Yes, i know you can VIEW but not SEND.

The fact is that msn 5 for mac sucks. If you want business IM, you should be using jabber instead.

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New Messenger... Yay...
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 18:43 UTC
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I think most Mac people use Adium ( http://www.adiumx.com ) for the IM needs.

Hey Microsoft Mac Business Unit: how about fixing the numerous bugs in Entourage 2004 when using it as an Exchange client?

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RE: New Messenger... Yay...
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 9th Aug 2005 18:47 UTC in reply to "New Messenger... Yay..."
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I think most Mac people use Adium ( http://www.adiumx.com ) for the IM needs.

Yes, I prefer Adium too; however, it does not support ie. custom emoticons, and I really miss that when using it. Not nescesarily because I use them, but because my female friends do. I prefer to see the real emoticon instead of "(kizz)" ;) .

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RE[2]: New Messenger... Yay...
by JCooper on Tue 9th Aug 2005 22:35 UTC in reply to "RE: New Messenger... Yay..."
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Wow that is sexy, considering its based on libGaim... any chances theres a "sexier" Gaim around for linux (Gnome for me)?

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Messenger:Mac is a multi-messenger?
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 18:46 UTC
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Use the same program to chat with contacts outside of your company across a variety of popular IM networks including Yahoo®, AOL®, AIM®, MSN® and iChat®.

Sounds interesting... Maybe this is what MS has in store for the future of the Windows version... Wouldn't be the first time an MSN Messenger feature first appeared in the Mac version...

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Adium...
by MYOB on Tue 9th Aug 2005 19:45 UTC
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...also doesn't manage to get through my http proxy to MSN's http servers, whereas the venerable and antique MSN4 client for the Mac does. I will be trying to see if the MSN5 client does now, shortly, but I somehow doubt it will - MSN4 through 7 on Windows, and all other clients, all fail

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Yahoo
by zephc on Tue 9th Aug 2005 21:41 UTC
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I couldn't give two shits about MSN, but I'm steamed that Yahoo hasn't updated their client in forever, its about 5 versions behind now - no chat room support, no animated icons, nor the extended set, and no voice chat are basically the feature's I'd like. I know Adium can do Yahoo too, but it doesn't even support video, while Yahoo's own client does. Also, I just use iChat for AIM, it seems to deal with buddy lists better (at least since I had last used Adium).

As far as the new SDK, I wonder what language(s) is it using? (they didn't say). We would all thing C#, but from what I understand, MS is basically dropping Winforms support in Vista, so while .NET will still be in use for enterprise network stuff, the Winforms experiement will probably got the way of the Dodo. My bet is equally on C# and C++.

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Nice
by Anonymous on Tue 9th Aug 2005 21:59 UTC
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This is what you get when you get two unrelated news together. The men want to talk about the sdk but the kids have already take over... Shame.

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RE: Nice
by jayson.knight on Wed 10th Aug 2005 05:44 UTC in reply to "Nice"
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They do this all the time with MS related articles...post a benign link along w/ a link sure to bring out the zealots. I was actually halfway through typing up a post like yours earlier and then said "fuck it" and moved on as I've mentioned this before in similar dual link threads. Oh well.

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Finally, a dual personality IM client...
by Anonymous on Wed 10th Aug 2005 00:54 UTC
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I have been waiting for "multiple personality" IM client for ages. (I also suggested this to Kopete crew on ocasion...)

Now, as always, we will have to "copy" from MS. Ugh...

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what about updating WMP
by Brad on Wed 10th Aug 2005 02:34 UTC
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I don't care about messenger, but how about updating WMP for mac. Or are they going to skip and wait for WMP 11 to come out for windows and do it then.

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They're not dropping forms support
by Anonymous on Wed 10th Aug 2005 05:31 UTC
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"We would all thing C#, but from what I understand, MS is basically dropping Winforms support in Vista"

They are NOT dropping forms support. It's still in there and includes a lot of major improvements. "Windows Presentation Foundation" will be the preferred route of course, if and when they can ever get a UI designer out for it.

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Vista SDK
by Anonymous on Wed 10th Aug 2005 13:09 UTC
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This SDK is just the updated version of Win32 with the new Vista features, it is primarily C style functions, though of course it can be used from other languages and frameworks.

The C# SDK has already been released, the WinFX runtimes, SDK and VS Integration are all available for download.

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Windows WIMP
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Aug 2005 00:59 UTC
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What does WMP + I equal? Windows WIMP!

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Multi protocol support only works if you connect to a corporate server. What does that mean? That 99.9999% of you can't use this to connect to your yahoo or whatever.

Tabbed interface? Only for the personal and corporate contact list display. You still need to open one big window for each contact you want to talk to. Stupid

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