Microsoft on Monday signed off on the Windows Vista SDK, or software development kit, which will enable developers to create applications for the next-generation Windows release. The SDK, complete with code samples, tools and documentation will be available via MSDN and distributed at next month's PDC conference in LA. In addition, Microsoft has finally released an updated version of Messenger:Mac, bringing it up to par with its Windows brother.
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Please get your facts straight. Messenger:Mac 5 *does* support custom emoticons. It says so right there on the page.
It does not support winks and nudges; but it has another feature that more than makes up for that: the ability to connect to both a personal *and* corporate network, simultaniously, in a tabbed interface. Because of this, you can even have contacts from other IM networks!
The above feature means a lot more to ie. corporate users than stupid useless nudges and winks. "Up to par" does *not* nescesarily mean: equal to in every specific area.
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I think most Mac people use Adium ( http://www.adiumx.com ) for the IM needs.
Hey Microsoft Mac Business Unit: how about fixing the numerous bugs in Entourage 2004 when using it as an Exchange client?
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I think most Mac people use Adium ( http://www.adiumx.com ) for the IM needs.
Yes, I prefer Adium too; however, it does not support ie. custom emoticons, and I really miss that when using it. Not nescesarily because I use them, but because my female friends do. I prefer to see the real emoticon instead of "(kizz)" 
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Use the same program to chat with contacts outside of your company across a variety of popular IM networks including Yahoo®, AOL®, AIM®, MSN® and iChat®.
Sounds interesting... Maybe this is what MS has in store for the future of the Windows version... Wouldn't be the first time an MSN Messenger feature first appeared in the Mac version...
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...also doesn't manage to get through my http proxy to MSN's http servers, whereas the venerable and antique MSN4 client for the Mac does. I will be trying to see if the MSN5 client does now, shortly, but I somehow doubt it will - MSN4 through 7 on Windows, and all other clients, all fail
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I couldn't give two shits about MSN, but I'm steamed that Yahoo hasn't updated their client in forever, its about 5 versions behind now - no chat room support, no animated icons, nor the extended set, and no voice chat are basically the feature's I'd like. I know Adium can do Yahoo too, but it doesn't even support video, while Yahoo's own client does. Also, I just use iChat for AIM, it seems to deal with buddy lists better (at least since I had last used Adium).
As far as the new SDK, I wonder what language(s) is it using? (they didn't say). We would all thing C#, but from what I understand, MS is basically dropping Winforms support in Vista, so while .NET will still be in use for enterprise network stuff, the Winforms experiement will probably got the way of the Dodo. My bet is equally on C# and C++.
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They do this all the time with MS related articles...post a benign link along w/ a link sure to bring out the zealots. I was actually halfway through typing up a post like yours earlier and then said "fuck it" and moved on as I've mentioned this before in similar dual link threads. Oh well.
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"We would all thing C#, but from what I understand, MS is basically dropping Winforms support in Vista"
They are NOT dropping forms support. It's still in there and includes a lot of major improvements. "Windows Presentation Foundation" will be the preferred route of course, if and when they can ever get a UI designer out for it.
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This SDK is just the updated version of Win32 with the new Vista features, it is primarily C style functions, though of course it can be used from other languages and frameworks.
The C# SDK has already been released, the WinFX runtimes, SDK and VS Integration are all available for download.
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Multi protocol support only works if you connect to a corporate server. What does that mean? That 99.9999% of you can't use this to connect to your yahoo or whatever.
Tabbed interface? Only for the personal and corporate contact list display. You still need to open one big window for each contact you want to talk to. Stupid