Linked by Andrew Youll on Tue 30th Aug 2005 16:44 UTC, submitted by abdavidson
Opera Software To celebrate their 10th anniversary, Opera is throwing an online 'party' and as part of that a special treat is free registration keys for all platforms for Opera from a page on the party area of the site.
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Go Opera!
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 16:57 UTC
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Great move, hope Opera last another 10 years atleast!

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Best browser
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 16:59 UTC
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been using it since Opera 5, was the best then and still is now ;)

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Slashdotted
by gallvs on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:07 UTC
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Site is slashdotted already...

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RE: Slashdotted
by Andrew Youll on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:09 UTC in reply to "Slashdotted"
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strange I can get to it, just takes a couple seconds longer than usually expected

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I got in
by Devilotx on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:11 UTC
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Took a little bit, but it works, never used opera, have to give it a shot now

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RE
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:32 UTC
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I got in there early before the slashdotters arrived (Thanks Mozilla!)

Opera is okay, I'll give it its credit, but GUI is not quite as simple as Firefox, - the bookmarks menu starts out as a mother of a whore bar unlike Firefox's trim default, and there's just too many items in each of the menus.

Rendering is not perfect (comparable to kHTML), nor is Gecko but that's much more reliable.

too many search boxes, having two of them on the location bar popup thingy is wacky and File > Preferences for the options window breaks UI 101 - the file menu is solely for operations affecting the currently viewed document. Ergo File > Preferences would be preferences pertaining to *only* the visible document, and not the program as a whole.

Better than Mozilla Suite / SeaMonky, but really I can't honestly say that this is on par with firefox when it comes to mum and dad use.

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v RE
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:49 UTC in reply to "RE"
RE
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:54 UTC in reply to "RE"
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No, not really. But I don't want to troll. These are my observations, many many users really dig Opera and there's quality there (what a tiny footprint!) but for me I find the interface in need of simplfying. That's a point of discussion, not an argument.

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RE: interface in need of simplifying
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 19:05 UTC in reply to "RE"
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That's just it. You can simplify, or complicate, the interface to your heart's content. You can change the look of most every component. There are also some really nice looking skins too. Also, you can move the navigation bar to be in the tabbed windows. You can add/remove buttons and change the font and text size on the different toolbars.

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RE
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 22:47 UTC in reply to "RE"
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You must have installed it over an older version or something.

There are only a couple of bookmarks by default.

The prefs are NOT under File, but under Tools.

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RE
by Anonymous on Wed 31st Aug 2005 09:08 UTC in reply to "RE"
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Too many search boxes:
1. right-click and remove
2. select engine for remaining in preferences

(I use "find in page search" in the sep. Search box, but google,etc. by typing g+"search term" directly in the URL field.)

Too many bookmarks:
1. right click and delete, or
2. shift+arrow down right click delete, or
3. select all right click delete
4. add active page to bookmarks ctrl+t
5. add nickname to bookmark for easy access from URL field later
6. Search your bookmarks on name, url, nickname, comments, date accessed

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v Closed Source?
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:33 UTC
opera for Beos/Zeta
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:35 UTC
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It would be nice it they gave old beos/ next zeta users an amnesty and posted free keys fo rthat platform too!

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v /. article
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:36 UTC
Alternative method
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:37 UTC
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E-mail registerme@opera.com and you'll be sent the keys. As the instant-access page has apparently been Slashdotted, this might be preferable. ;)

Anonymous (IP: 128.148.34.---): Opera is indeed closed source.

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RE: Alternative method
by ChiliJ on Wed 31st Aug 2005 10:14 UTC in reply to "Alternative method"
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Great tip!

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v FREE REGISTRATION CODE FOR MOZILLA
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:41 UTC
Memories
by robojamie on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:42 UTC
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The first time I browsed the web from a PC at home it was from Opera 3 running on a 75mhz Pentium with 8mb of ram. It was before my family could afford a nice machine and Opera was the only browser that would run at a speed I could tolerate. Opera has come along way since then and even though Firefox has displaced it many ways Opera still has considerable value. I'd like to congratulate and encourage the developers of Opera... Thanks guys

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Opera is great!
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:43 UTC
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Opera has the best browser package in my book. There are some real usability features that make surfing in any other browser a real pain. If you are taking a look at Opera for the first time or first time in a long time, look into these.

1. Tabbed Browsing: We all know what this is.

2. Sessions: Save your browsing session with multiple tabs open & their history saved. Priceless if you read a lot of news pages. Most people don't take the time to get this one. I read a decent number of sites all through the day. My Opera opens up with six tabs open. My most important one has eight tech news sites in its history. I start on the first one and just go back in history (with the easy navigation tools listed below) as I read up on what's happening in the tech world.

3. Quick Mouse Navigation: Click and hold left mouse button while single clicking right mouse button moves you back in your browsing history. Swap buttons and you move forward in your browsing history.

4. Left Hand Browsing Navigation: Letters Z & X move you backward and forward in your history. Quite handy.

5. Mouse Wheel Zoom: Zoom in or out on the web page using Ctrl-MouseWheel. Great for badly formatted pages or to inspect images.

6. Fast Forward: Opera has the ability to detect pages with previous/next, backward/forward, etc. links and allow you to click the Fast Forward Button to follow the next link without clicking on it. Example: Search with Google. On results, hold right mouse button and click the left (forward in history, only there is no forward history yet). Opera will follow the Google Next link to the next page of results.

7. Address Bar Shortcuts: Opera comes with many default browsing shortcuts for various sites (Google, Ebay, Amazon, etc). Example: Typing "g golf clubs" in the address bar and then hitting the go button will google "golf clubs" and bring back the results. The defaults are easily edited.

In my opinion, Opera is one of those products you have to learn to like. Kind of like how coffee is for most people. We don't naturally love coffee. I remember back in my college days (before the starbucks flavored coffees), trying to make myself look like a real man by drinking coffee. It took me a while, but now I can't start a day without it. That goes for both the coffee and Opera!!!

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RE: Opera is great!
by japail on Wed 31st Aug 2005 01:34 UTC in reply to "Opera is great!"
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Coffee is a funny example. I'm surprised no one has come out to tell you that you shouldn't drink coffee because it's bad for you. There's probably a funny post there somewhere.

I never had to learn to like Opera (though I mostly use Firefox to be honest), since its page caching is so fast, its session management is well-polished, and most of the default keyboard shortcuts are quite good. I suppose part of what pushed me away from it was its rendering quality/compatability. That's improved a lot over the years, and I use Opera a lot for 'research' because of its caching speed.

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v Is this bad form?
by stevenvu on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:45 UTC
RE: Is this bad form?
by Gryzor on Tue 30th Aug 2005 18:45 UTC in reply to "Is this bad form?"
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Mate, the code is "unique" for each email address; you've just given your code to the community.

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Wow free opera, great!
by penguin7009 on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:46 UTC
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Been using opera for years on Linux. Great browser and email client in one. Very secure. Way to go Opera.

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not all platforms
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:49 UTC
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none of the mobile platforms were invited to the party ;)

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v Yeah, tell us
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:52 UTC
RE: Yeah, tell us
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 18:00 UTC in reply to "Yeah, tell us"
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> Please tell me why I should feel safe using closed
> source.

Security is a joke if you trust us, whom you don't know, about when to feel safe.

- Morin

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RE: Yeah, tell us
by cajunman4life on Tue 30th Aug 2005 21:07 UTC in reply to "Yeah, tell us"
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Just out of curiousity, have you looked at the source code for FireFox to see for yourself if it's secure? Most people haven't, and simply take someone else's word for it. So what really is the difference here?

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v RE[2]: Yeah, tell us
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 22:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Yeah, tell us"
RE[3]: Yeah, tell us
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 22:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yeah, tell us"
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> MOO! BAAAAH!
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> Cow people and sheep people talk as you do.
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> The difference is: open source IS looked at
> Closed source cannot be looked at

One day you will grow up and stop insulting people for pointing out the fact that the vast majority couldn't read source code if they wanted to ;)

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RE[4]: Yeah, tell us
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 23:24 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Yeah, tell us"
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i'll second that...

hell i am one of them ;)

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RE[3]: Yeah, tell us
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 22:59 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yeah, tell us"
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> MOO! BAAAAH!
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> Cow people and sheep people talk as you do.

And George W Bush speaks like you do. God save us all!!!

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RE[3]: Yeah, tell us
by cajunman4life on Wed 31st Aug 2005 03:58 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yeah, tell us"
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Hey, let's not insult each other here. I happen to like Open Source, use it all over the place. I'm the kind of guy that chooses the right tool for the job (remember when Linus Torvalds chose BitKeeper, a non-open-source app as a scm?). By the way, I am a programmer and am able to look at the code. But not everybody is. My "mom and pop" certainly aren't, and just have to take my word for what works and is secure, and what isn't.

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v Well...
by 1c3d0g on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:54 UTC
RE: Well...
by Tyr. on Tue 30th Aug 2005 18:11 UTC in reply to "Well..."
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...Opera is nice, but still, no matter how you slice it, Firefox is just plain better. With so many extensions, it's hard to find something you don't like.

One of the reasons I switched to Firefox (then Pheonix 0.3) was because it was almost as fast as Opera, as well as open source. I just recently loaded Pheonix 0.4 on my windows and it was so much faster than Frefox it's not even funny. Extensions are nice, but I wish it had retained more of it's original intent which was to make a lightweight browser.
So now I'm going to try Opera again with my free key, though I'll probably return to something open source anyway.

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RE: Well...
by mendicant on Tue 30th Aug 2005 18:47 UTC in reply to "Well..."
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Firefox is just plain better at what?

Personally, I can't stand using firefox because it feels so clunky. When I browse with Opera it just feels nice. It's slick, it's smooth and it's fast. Even if I'm using a low end machine. On the other hand, if I use firefox I'm afraid to even use the forward and back buttons/mouse gestures because i know if I want to go back 3 or 4 pages I'm in for a wait. (Although talk says this may have been fixed up in the new alpha version that's out).

Also, in a 3.7 meg executable, sans extensions I get a fully functional FAST browser, tabs, MDI, mouse gestures, email and a ton of possible preferences.

Compare that to a 4.7 meg executable which gives me a fully functional slower browser with tabs. If I want mouse gestures, I've got to find them. If I want to configure my tabs, I've got to find an extension. If I want email I need a seperate program (and there's probably an extension for this too).

Of course, i have to admit that straight after the install opera does not look anywhere near as good as firefox. Opera's default install is crowded and annoying. Firefox's is clean and simple. Especially on the bookmarks end of things.

And the extensions, not that I don't think that they are great (they are one feature that I would really like to see added to Opera), but does anyone else remember how annoying it was to upgrade Firefox/Phoenix/Firebird during the initial development? every new release broke almost all of the extensions/themes that I had installed. I just don't feel the need to have to reconfigure my browser every time a new version comes out... and then download all the new extensions that got broken... and reconfigure them too. With opera I just reinstall and I'm good to go. No problems, no questions, no anything.

Of course, this MAY have been fixed, although I try each new release of Firefox I haven't been paying much attention to it. I guess I'll find out if its been fixed when 1.5 gets released (or one of you correct me) ;) If they fix that, then yes, the extensions are a VERY persuading argument for firefox, but not until that point in time.

All this being said, it's not to say that I don't like firefox. It is certainly better than Opera at certain things, but those things are not what is important to me when I browse. I think that they are doing a great thing and I always recommend Firefox to everyday users who are still using IE.

It's just that the things Opera does better are the ones that make browsing more pleasant for me. It may be closed source, but from my point of view it sure seems like (at the current point in time, Firefox is still VERY young) Opera seems to be better engineered. But as things often do with time, that could very well change down the road.

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RE: Well...
by Hugo on Tue 30th Aug 2005 19:14 UTC in reply to "Well..."
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...Opera is nice, but still, no matter how you slice it, Firefox is just plain better. With so many extensions, it's hard to find something you don't like.

The extensions are nice, but the ones I use (mouse gestures and session saver) are features opera has builtin. Also I prefer speed and firefox takes much longer than opera to start and renders pages slower than opera:

[ http://scragz.com/tech/mozilla/test-rendering-time.php ]

opera: 3.4839999

firefox: 5.5629999

I prefer thunderbird to M2 though...

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RE[2]: Well...
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 22:56 UTC in reply to "RE: Well..."
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Well on my set up -

Opera 8 circa 4.3 seconds
Firefox 1 circa 5.4 seconds
IE 6 circa 3.7 seconds

Hurrah for proprierty software, I say!!

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RE[3]: Well...
by Anonymous on Wed 31st Aug 2005 15:59 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Well..."
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IE is in the RAM even before you've opened it.

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RE[4]: Well...
by Hugo on Wed 31st Aug 2005 19:36 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Well..."
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Too bad it's a rendering speed test and has nothing to do with app loading times.

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RE: Is this bad form?
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 17:59 UTC
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yes. that's very bad form.

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Been 10 years already!!!
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 18:01 UTC
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Opera really *is* the fastest...

Thanks for 10 great years, see you at 25

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v Open the source and then we can celebrate
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 18:09 UTC
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i`m with you.. when i see the news i was tempted, but why if i already have firefox!!!! ;)

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"However, because it isn't FOSS, I will not use it and instead stick with Firefox, Konqueror, and the other free and open source web browsers."

Yes keep your "open-source" crappy browsers, and everybody's happy ;)

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Great
by sappyvcv on Tue 30th Aug 2005 18:32 UTC
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This is a great move. Great way to help get some exposure.

It's a shame the trolls have to come in here and do there thing and just can't leave Opera it's own thread to celebrate, for once.

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Open Souce Zealots?
by Gryzor on Tue 30th Aug 2005 18:40 UTC
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What do you care weather it is Open Source or not... I just don't understand this people. How many of you are going to inspect the source code? What do you care? Who cares about open source? This article is about opera, not open source stuff. A lot of closed source products are better than its open source counterparts; the same goes the other way around. I don't care about it. Use what it fits you best.
Saying that you won't use a product because it's not open source is ridiculous; the software inside your phone is -probably- not open source, what do you know if it doesn't include an obscure code to eavesdrop you? the mouse driver you're using, is it safe?
You'll argue that you use linux and that everything is open source and that you can read the code...

sure. now please, stay on topic.

Kudos to the Opera team for sharing the browser and part of their business, time and effort with the rest of the community.

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v RE: Open Souce Zealots?
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 19:00 UTC in reply to "Open Souce Zealots?"
RE: Open Souce Zealots?
by japail on Tue 30th Aug 2005 20:29 UTC in reply to "Open Souce Zealots?"
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This isn't specifically aimed at you, but a problem I have with your posts and the way they're moderated viz-a-vis the "opposition" is this:
Their posts are flamebait, trolls, or honest opinions. I typicall suspect the former, but my suspicions are what they are. If they're flamebait/trolls then posts lambasting them and their arguments are kind of off-topic and should probably be moderated down with them. If they're honest opinions and their opposition are honest opinons, then they all should either not be moderated or moderated in kind as they are or are not off-topic. Moderating down those posts, and then modding up "damn you, zealots" posts is inconsistent.

I'm really of the opinion that off-topic, probable troll-posts should just be moderated down and ignored, rather than engaged. It encourages the behavior, clutters the forum with a half-dozen "omg you're so wrong" posts that espouse the same old ideas and so forth.

As an aside, I too think it's really nice of the Opera team to give away registration codes. I realize that it's a bit of little cutesy marketing, but it's also quite generous. Their product has a lot of nice qualities.

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RE: Open Souce Zealots?
by MadDwarf on Wed 31st Aug 2005 12:39 UTC in reply to "Open Souce Zealots?"
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"What do you care weather it is Open Source or not..."
I care because I like to know that the program is inspectable, open to be viewed, modified and redistributed.

"How many of you are going to inspect the source code? What do you care? "
I, for one, will almost NOT be looking at much source code. I wouldn't understand a word of it. But I know that there are others out there who WILL look at the source code of Open Source programs, and before long, any problems, security issues, stability problems etc will be publicised and fixed. Not nesesarily fixed by the people that first made it, but free to be fixed by anyone who has the ability.

"A lot of closed source products are better than its open source counterparts; the same goes the other way around. "
Indeed so. Open Source is not a magic quality-wand. Nor is Closed Source. IMHO Open Source leads, in the long run, to better coding, better programs.

"Use what it fits you best. "
I find that Open Source best fits my political and philosophical ideals. Sometimes I choose a program that is not as good as another program, because I cannot justify to myself using the closed, proprietry version. "Best" is more than a technical problem.

"the software inside your phone is -probably- not open source, "
Probably? Some of us look into these things. The very people you are whining about are the same people who DO find out about things that are important to them.

Now, back on topic:
Kudos to the Opera Team for this venture.

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Opera is the one.
by atici on Tue 30th Aug 2005 18:44 UTC
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I agree with the earlier post. It's light years ahead of the competition since v5. Even after many of its features have been ripped the competitors still couldn't get it right. However I also agree with the earlier comment that it's not the best for grandma and it's like coffee -- needs time to get used to. For a power user it's indispensible.

About closed source: I couldn't care less. Developers have every right to release the software under their terms. No one who had zero contribution to the source can demand them to open-source it. As a user you're free not to use it and go for an inferior open source solution. There're many other closed source software which are the best in what they do (Exact Audio Copy, foobar2000).

Thanks Opera!

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Different purposes
by amiroff on Tue 30th Aug 2005 18:52 UTC
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Personally for me, Opera is the one for daily browsing and bookmarking. Firefox rules for webdevelopment stuff with its nice addons, but it's too slow on my pc (well, compared to opera of course).

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Opera == good
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 18:58 UTC
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I've used Opera 6 ad-supported (both on Windows and Linux), then bought Opera 7, and recently bought Opera 8. I use it alongside Firefox. To be honest, they are good for different things. Firefox has slightly better rendering, and the extension system is good. So, when I need an extension (greasemonkey, adblock, flashgot, etc) or when the site has unsual formating, I use Firefox. I also prefer the way Firefox handles RSS feeds. On the other hand, Opera is much faster, takes up much less memory (I think there is a massive memory leak in all recent versions of Firefox somewhere, a browser should not take up 400+ MB), and the Opera mouse gestures work better and more reliably than any Firefox mouse-gesture extension. And Opera full-screen mode is much better. And one-handed navigation (your choice, left-hand on left side of the keyboard, or right-hand with mouse gestures) comes in useful on some sites...

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RE: Opera == good
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 23:11 UTC in reply to "Opera == good"
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Wow. I've never noticed Firefox taking up THAT much memory...

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What's the catch?
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 19:13 UTC
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Does this key expire in 30 days or something? Is a single key legal to use on both my home computers?

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RE: What's the catch?
by sappyvcv on Tue 30th Aug 2005 19:41 UTC in reply to "What's the catch?"
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It's good for Opera8 forever. You can use it on all of your desktop or laptop computers you own.

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v GNU
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 19:22 UTC
RE: GNU
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 19:27 UTC in reply to "GNU"
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I switched to Linux so I didn't have to think about such things as "Registration Keys".

Disgusting


Yeah, God forbid anybody actually pay for software. Afterall, programmers don't need to eat, right? Hell, just let the bastards sell support!! I'm sure Opera Software would make a ton of that.

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v RE[2]: GNU
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 22:41 UTC in reply to "RE: GNU"
RE[3]: GNU
by cajunman4life on Wed 31st Aug 2005 04:00 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: GNU"
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"How much did Gandhi eat?"

Not everyone can afford to be that extreme. Some people have to put food on the table to feed their families. I know, those of us that do that are so evil...

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RE: GNU
by MadDwarf on Wed 31st Aug 2005 12:29 UTC in reply to "GNU"
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What is disgusting? Giving the keys away for free?
Using Linux is no guarentee that every program that is capable of running on Linux is open and free.
If you do not like Opera's proprietry policies then CONTINUE TO USE LINUX, and get by with Firefox, Konquerer, Epiphany, Opera (Sponsored edition), Lynx or whatever GPL/BSD/PublicDomain software you would rather use.
I notice it is your convenience (Having to find and enter a key) rather than any community-based freedom that you pinpoint as the "disgusting" part of Opera's Free-Key promotion.

As it happens, I have written a program for Linux, and guess what? You cannot have the source code. If you do pay me for the binary, I will issue you with a Registration Key to ensure that people who have not paid will find it difficult to use. Technical Support and other issues will rely on you having that Key.
So am I disgusting? What if I give away free copies of my keys to selected people? Does that make me more disgusting?

Grow up.

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Adblock for Opera!
by amiroff on Tue 30th Aug 2005 19:27 UTC
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This one is the most asked question about Opera: "Does it have something like Adblock extension for Firefox?" Well, it does not for some reasons, instead you can use this small utility which is the best adblocker I have used, and I have used a plenty of them, believe me: http://www.admuncher.com/download.shtml

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RE: Adblock for Opera!
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 19:40 UTC in reply to "Adblock for Opera!"
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Also, you can check this out:

http://www.operaadfilter.com

A free util written by my friend Shane. Of course, it's only for Windows, so *nix users are SOL ;) Even without it though, you can still hack filter.ini til your heart's content

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You want to mention dumb defaults?
by whitespiral on Tue 30th Aug 2005 19:56 UTC
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For those of you complaining about Opera's default toolbars: customize it, damn it!

Firefox has one of the most incredibly stupid defaults in any application ever: It starts downloads without asking where to save it!! And I've never read a Firefox review mention it!

Opera kicks Firefox ass all the way to the other side of the galaxy.

Geez...

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It starts downloads without asking where to save it!!

Options->downloads->Ask me where to save every file

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One Click for Registration
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 20:11 UTC
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Go here:
http://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml

Opera is nice. Still prefer Firefox.

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...how to program.
All others seems to be forgot how to do programming.

Installed recently Opera 8.1 in my lab on P100-32MB - Win95 - and see, it works great. As great as latest Firefox on Athlon 1.4 MHz + WinXP nearly:)

And seems it is only modern browser which can be installed on IE-free Windows 95 and 98 (except IE, hehe). Mozilla/FF requires stupid shell feature which was brought by IE 4.0 and later for installation.

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Firefox requires IE :-)

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If it requires IE, so how come firefox works over linux?

Its a known fact, you MR. KNOW A LOT, IE is an unremovable part of MS Windows, every application utilizes or uses it, why would you add the same or smiliar burden on your system, if you have it there already... Nope sir you can't sell your goody ;) If opera is honest with the celebiration... Once more I ask, where is their free registration keys for their mobile browser:) Typical american hypocracy...

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Typical american hypocracy...

From a Norwegian company?

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Gryzor Member since:
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Typical american hypocracy...
From a Norwegian company?
LOL.

You know, sometimes, whe I was young and in the need of speed, I used to post this kind of stu*** comments; the good news is that then you grow up and think before you act. You may or may not like Opera, which surely has many flaws (where's the perfect software?). At the same time you may (and I do) like Firefox too.

The rule of thumb is: think before you act. Don't spit in the face of somebody without some research; you may end up looking like a fool. ;)

Thanks to Anonymous for pointing the -easy to find- detail that Opera Software is in Norway and has got nothing to do with the "American" (I think he meant U.S. of A.) hypocracy.

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bluecode77 Member since:
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Hmm, hypocracy is huge part of policy in general, but the way its used in U.S. politics a bit different.. Anyone whom studied int. relations(political science) would know that well... And in a global world, you don't need to be an american citizen to sing hiphop, its not michael jackson, bigmacs being exported to world, its the ideologies, thoughts, systems as well.. Well, anyways its a bit weird, what i have written simply there was, Opera not being honest by providing keys for their products since they are not proving keys for their mobile,pda browsers,cause at their website they claim like celebirating with users etc.. thats all.. american hypocracy i meant in that way... they can be a russian company, it wouldnt make a change on what it is ;)
I use an american car, with an american laptop, with american shoes, and an american tie.. and love bigmac;) How can someone be against US in general ...

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Just some clueless teenager who watches TV too much...

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Opera
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 20:48 UTC
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The best browser ever, period...

I've used it since ver 3.62 on win3.11 and have always been happy with it's performance. Always the fastest, and it allows me to run "IE only" business software for my work, MUCH faster than IE. (FF can't handle the javascript at all)

I use FF and Opera both at home, but I find that I am clicking on FF only about once or twice a month, while Opera version 7.03 and 8.02 are usually both open all the time. Just a lot better, faster, experience.

BTW, I really like that fact that you can run multiple versions of Opera at the same time. Is that possible with other browsers? (without emulation etc.)

I'm always amazed that the Opera developers can pack so much into 3.7 Mb, (including a mail client) while the other guys are so much larger, and do so much less...

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Free?
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 23:12 UTC
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If it's good enough that it's worth buying (and I can afford it), I'll buy it. If it's not worth it, and a free version works just as well for what I need, I'll use the free one. Granted, my stinginess is rather extreme... For now Firefox has been plenty good enough for my tastes and usage.

But that's it. I'm trying Opera now because of all the hype around it, and because I can get a nice ad-free version (I hate ads, including the one at the top of this page). If it's justified, I'll keep this nice registered copy. If it isn't, I'll go back to Firefox.

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opera mobile
by Anonymous on Tue 30th Aug 2005 23:13 UTC
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I use firefox mostly, and simply just to check it, i downloaded opera after reading the article. Well, its not any faster, and still think firefox is better with all extensions, tab browsing,skins etc...

And its a pitty,where i would prefer opera would have been on my mobile, and i am sure they know that so well, coz their real market is mobiles and pda's...
and no wonder they are not celebirating their 10th year with mobile users ;)
what an hypocracy....

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Bittorrent?
by DigitalAxis on Tue 30th Aug 2005 23:28 UTC
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Say, didn't they have an experimental version with a bittorrent client a short while ago?

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Bittorrent Support
by Yogurth on Tue 30th Aug 2005 23:37 UTC
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Yes they do have bittorrent, just download from Forums?Beta testing Opera 8.10 tp2(technical preview). It does contain generic Bittorent client built in.

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v It's OK but...
by Anonymous on Wed 31st Aug 2005 00:43 UTC
Don't count coffee out...
by Anonymous on Wed 31st Aug 2005 04:34 UTC
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>> Coffee is a funny example. I'm surprised no one has come out to tell you that you shouldn't drink coffee because it's bad for you. There's probably a funny post there somewhere.

Actually, it's possible you might be wrong. I don't know if you saw the news or not this week, but it looks like coffee is an excellent source of cancer fighting antioxidants. It gives roughly four times the antioxidants of the next highest source of black tea.

http://www.health24.com/news/Healthy_eating/1-919,33023.asp

Coffee Good! Opera Good! Me happy!

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RE: Don't count coffee out...
by Anonymous on Wed 31st Aug 2005 04:58 UTC in reply to "Don't count coffee out..."
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So true.
In the morning, I wake up, boot the mobo.
It's is Coffee and Opera.

If there are FreeBSD and Solaris ports then Opera I guess will be ported when a 100% Haiku is up and running.

Their non commitment to Zeta says somthing ;)

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Skins
by Anonymous on Wed 31st Aug 2005 05:58 UTC
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People seem to forget that you can change the look and feel of Opera as well.

Skins, layouts etc

http://my.opera.com/community/customize/

If the firefox look is your thing, get the firefox skin

http://portal.opera.com/startup/customize/

Get the latest beta for some Extra features.

http://my.opera.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=56f84e315ca890fb86ef8...

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sweet
by Jester on Wed 31st Aug 2005 06:37 UTC
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Never really been a firefox fan & the add in opera doesnt bother me one bit so Ive never paid for opera but it is pretty nice they are giving out reg keys.

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Take that, Mozilla/Firefox shills!
by Anonymous on Wed 31st Aug 2005 06:38 UTC
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Yeah try hijacking *this* Opera thread, losers!

Thanks so much Opera, what a generous gesture!

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wow
by GirTheRobot on Wed 31st Aug 2005 06:57 UTC
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I've never used Opera before. I snagged a key from the site and now I am a convert...seriously this browser rocks! Though, already I have seen a few rendering bugs, but no show-stoppers.

The browser seems really fast too...

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RE: wow
by abdavidson on Wed 31st Aug 2005 08:01 UTC in reply to "wow"
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If you spot problems with a site you can do everyone a favour and click HELP->REPORT A SITE PROBLEM.

Opera periodically checks to see if there are updated BrowserJS/UA.ini files which provide fixes for some sites identified as incorrectly identifying or handling Opera.

Handy tool that.

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Does it matter for new users?
by ChiliJ on Wed 31st Aug 2005 10:03 UTC
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There's a lot of post about people starting to try out Opera because of this free key. Opera is fully functional even if unregistered. Is it not?

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great!
by Anonymous on Wed 31st Aug 2005 11:29 UTC
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I had never thought this could happen, opera was always a dream to have but advertisment was just inacceptable (and I didn't have the money to buy it), I hope this will raise the market share a bit, they've well earned it!

It is sad that opera uses qt and not gtk but, well, it's their choice and I can't complain, it's lightning fast.

way to go ;)

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Ironic...
by Anonymous on Wed 31st Aug 2005 15:32 UTC
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Every time there's an article about Opera, Firefox trolls complain that it's defaults and act like tweaking it is such a big deal. Yet the same people are promoting Firefox because you can download extensions to tweak it.

Isn't it ironic that they're happy to download, configure and manage extensions, but spending a minute or two changing a few preferences is too much like hard work.

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RE: Ironic...
by orion on Wed 31st Aug 2005 22:31 UTC in reply to "Ironic..."
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Exactly! I have Opera pretty much customized to my needs. I also find that you have far more control over the menus and toolbars in Opera than you do in Firefox.

And really you have to tweak every browser before use. I never use IE, but I even tweaked that to look somewhat decent. lol

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In my opinion the question is not open source or not, but the efficiency in rendering information stored in open standards from all kinds of devices.

As fare as I can see only Opera can do this as it has no ties to OS or device vendors in particular.

Businesses with interest in keeping company information away from "interesting" license schemes should look to open standards.

When information is stored safely the question is the speed one can render the information and from where one has to do it. Not wether or not one can study the application rendering the information.

Go Opera, Opera Mobile, Opera Mini, Opera Homemedia, etc.

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Love Opera
by Opera022 on Wed 31st Aug 2005 23:16 UTC
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Opera is Opera.

A WEB browser as easy or as difficult as you want it to be.

Any fool can type in URLs, click bookmarks, or even enter search terms in the google field. It's just that using the WEB doesn't necessarily stop there.

There definitely isn't a key feature set or solution for all, but for me this is important:
1. how fast I can do repetitive tasks
2. which methods are available to me
3. how can I protect my data
4. how can I remove my trace
5. how can I make a statement
6. who can I call if something goes wrong

Ok, so some pages look different or some services don't work with this or that browser. If changing service provider doesn't work for you, then grab another browser for that particular case.

Live with the web and the apps that make your life better, but make sure to do the stuff you do effectively. How else will you get that extra time for friends and family?

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