Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 11th Oct 2005 11:05 UTC, submitted by Emil
Morphos Here is an interview with Bill Buck and Raquel Velasco of Genesi, the company behind the PowerPC G4 Open Desktop Workstation. They talk about MorphOS, Java, the ODW, future plans for the ODW, and much more.
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Too expensive
by Anonymous on Tue 11th Oct 2005 11:44 UTC
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I would love to buy one, but, unfortunately, the Open Desktop Workstation is way more expensive than a Mac Mini, with weaker specifications.

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RE: Too expensive
by Anonymous on Tue 11th Oct 2005 11:58 UTC in reply to "Too expensive"
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I'm still debating whether to buy a mini or an ODW. The nice thing about the ODW is that is is completely supported. Last time I checked the mini's audio system didn't work, the wireless wasn't supported and the displays were a pita to get working. The ODW on the other hand has DRI working out of the box, and allows you to put a TV card in it to make a passively cooled PVR box. The Mini requires a ton of external accessories to turn it in to a PVR box, assuming you get MythTV running on OS X.

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RE[2]: Too expensive
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 11th Oct 2005 12:10 UTC in reply to "RE: Too expensive"
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I'm still debating whether to buy a mini or an ODW.

I have the luck that I'm getting an ODW for a review in the coming weeks, but even if I didn't, I'd probably still have bought one. I like the fact that it can be passively cooled, is supported *out of the box* by many Linux distributions, and that via MOL, I can even run Mac OS X with acceptable speed (I already have a Mac, so that isn't *really* nescesary).

In all it's slickness, the Mac Mini is a rather bare and limited machine compared to the ODW.

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RE[3]: Too expensive
by Anonymous on Tue 11th Oct 2005 14:15 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Too expensive"
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Hope the review will have an extensive comparison with the Mini - and it would be interesting to get your view of a possible tradeoff with a Shuttle based system. Yes they are quite a bit bigger, and yes they have a fan (though mitigated by the heat pipe system) but they seem to offer quite a good compromise on price/performance/size. And of course you get OS flexibility too, though in the direction of Windows dual boot, instead of MOL.

Look forward to the review in any case.

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RE: Too expensive
by Anonymous on Tue 11th Oct 2005 17:12 UTC in reply to "Too expensive"
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The mac mini is not comparable to the Pegasos 2.

The Pegasos 2 compares better with a PowerMac G4 in term of expandability (You can put a faster gfx board or use up to 4 of them, DVB PCI cards, SCSI cards, SERIAL ATA + huge drives etc) while using a much smaller and quieter case setup (however not as small as the mini).

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Linux Mini support
by Anonymous on Tue 11th Oct 2005 12:21 UTC
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As of Ubuntu Breezy, audio is completely supported on the Mini.

An equal ODW requires you to re-mortage something very expensive.

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Mini not bad value
by Anonymous on Tue 11th Oct 2005 12:27 UTC
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"In all it's slickness, the Mac Mini is a rather bare and limited machine compared to the ODW."

As a Mini user that upgraded his ram to 1gb by hand and uses only Linux on it, every day, I can tell you with sound, full 2D/3D acceleration with FOSS DRI drivers, the mini is outstanding. Not what I would call "rather bare" at all.

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BSD
by TaterSalad on Tue 11th Oct 2005 15:00 UTC
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Are these the same guys that screwed one of the BSD programmers?

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RE: BSD
by jonas.kirilla on Tue 11th Oct 2005 15:32 UTC in reply to "BSD"
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RE: BSD
by Anonymous on Wed 12th Oct 2005 03:57 UTC in reply to "BSD"
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Yes, they did screw over Dale Rahn of OpenBSD.

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morphos
by Anonymous on Tue 11th Oct 2005 17:53 UTC
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does not have a future

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ODW test machine
by Anonymous on Tue 11th Oct 2005 18:01 UTC
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Thom, are you getting one with 1.4GHz or even 1.7GHz G4?
http://genesi.pegasosppc.com/press.php?date=20050907

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RE: ODW test machine
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 11th Oct 2005 19:13 UTC in reply to "ODW test machine"
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Thom, are you getting one with 1.4GHz or even 1.7GHz G4?

I really don't know, and quite frankly, I don't care much either. As long as it works, I've never been interested in having the latest-and-greatest-and-fastest in the computing world. I'm OSNews' James May ;) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_May ).

And for you people it's only important if my computer can run Firefox/Safari so I can work on OSNews ;) .

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Charisma
by Ronald Vos on Tue 11th Oct 2005 18:19 UTC
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Is it just me or could this guy use some media-training? He seems rather antagonistic and curt in his answers. That and the BSD debacle.

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RE: Charisma
by Anonymous on Tue 11th Oct 2005 20:16 UTC in reply to "Charisma"
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You're right. I hope the future of big-endian platforms for mere mortals does not depend on Genesi. Or they hire some good management and PR stuff.

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RE: Charisma
by Anonymous on Wed 12th Oct 2005 06:52 UTC in reply to "Charisma"
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Yup, BB is certainly not one of the good guys. E.g. he is not able to visit France anymore, because he would be arrested due to criminal practices in the past...

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RE[2]: Charisma
by Anonymous on Wed 12th Oct 2005 07:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Charisma"
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What a bunch of crap...are you a blind Theo follower? Buck can't come to France, but gets awarded the *French* National Order of Merit.

http://www.genesippc.com/press.php?date=20040524

The whole OpenBSD episode is posted online. I have read it. If Buck is so wrong where is the OpenBSD port? I don't see it. There is two sides to that story.

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mhm
by Anonymous on Wed 12th Oct 2005 01:30 UTC
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looks like they will dump everything in favor for open solaris and linux

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RE: BSD
by Anonymous on Wed 12th Oct 2005 05:44 UTC
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There is more to the story than simply "bbrv screwed Dale Rahn"

Who cares anyway.

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bbrv
by ODW-Developer on Wed 12th Oct 2005 08:11 UTC
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Raquel and Bill are married and did live in France, maybe they still do ( http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2005/02/it-is-not-leap-year.html ), but they are now in Texas a lot (Freescale & IBM). I have worked with them for four years on and off, and I find no fault in them. They run a small company, a start up. They fund it themselves. They have had to make some hard decisions, especially about MorphOS, which is still important to them. I think they have a lot of charisma. Genesi won the Best of Show Award at the Freescale Technology Forum ( http://www.genesippc.com/press.php?date=20050624 ). Watch the video! They certainly took the "show" there!

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