Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 19th Jan 2006 22:35 UTC
Apple Today, the Dutch headquarters of Apple held a press conference concerning the announcements made by Apple's CEO, Steve Jobs, last week during MacWorld in San Fransisco. During the conference, the new products would be presented by speakers from Apple Europe, and afterwards there was time to get hands-on with the new products. I got invited to this event, so read on for a few notes.
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Impressed
by ThawkTH on Thu 19th Jan 2006 23:08 UTC
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2005-07-06

Although it's early, I find myself impressed at the smoothness with which this transition seems to be taking place. Switching architectures is no small feat, and Apple seems to be doing it with it's characteristic ease, grace, and flair...(I'm no fanboy, I don't even own a mac)

We can all agree, though, that apple has made tech news a bit more interesting as of late...

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RE: Impressed
by sp29 on Fri 20th Jan 2006 06:04 UTC in reply to "Impressed"
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2006-01-04

"Switching architectures is no small feat, and Apple seems to be doing it with it's characteristic ease, grace, and flair...(I'm no fanboy, I don't even own a mac)"

I agree, but it wasn't as hard as doing it from scratch, because OS X was designed to run on Intel from the beginning from what I've "little" know about NeXt.

So I think in every aspect, we should see better performance under Intel(or even amd).

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Hmm
by microshag on Thu 19th Jan 2006 23:15 UTC
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2005-11-30

No mention at all of when Intel Mini Macs are coming?

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iWeb
by mono on Thu 19th Jan 2006 23:18 UTC
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2005-10-19

It's very disappointing. Users can't refresh their blogs made by iWeb with the software. They have to upload the whole site each time with images, etc.

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RE: iWeb
by BlackJack75 on Fri 20th Jan 2006 03:02 UTC in reply to "iWeb"
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2005-08-29

That really sucks.. especially since rsync would have rocked at this once wrapped in a nice OSX GUI.

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RE[2]: iWeb
by StephenBeDoper on Fri 20th Jan 2006 19:47 UTC in reply to "RE: iWeb"
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2005-07-06

Too bad there's no way to wget --timestamping in reverse.

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RE: iWeb
by godawful on Fri 20th Jan 2006 17:09 UTC in reply to "iWeb"
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2005-06-29

that's not entirely true, while that's what will be easiest for novices, you could write an applescript (or most otherl angue) that will upload automagiclly the new or changed files

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camera
by Eugenia on Thu 19th Jan 2006 23:20 UTC
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2005-06-28

> I'm having a hard time trying to find the usefulness in adding a webcam and Front Row to a laptop targeted at professionals.

While Front Row is a bit useless for Pros, VoIP and Video calls are very important in many modern working environments and so the webcam is useful.

The other thing is, people who buy MacBook Pros are not just professionals, but people who want just a high-end laptop, so for them Front Row can appeal. Besides, it's not a problem if you pack more features into a product, the problem is when you remove them (like they removed modem, s-video, fw800 and worse screen resolution and burner, compared to the Powerbook).

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RE: camera
by Lazarus on Thu 19th Jan 2006 23:56 UTC in reply to "camera"
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2005-08-10

"The other thing is, people who buy MacBook Pros are not just professionals, but people who want just a high-end laptop, so for them Front Row can appeal."

True enough, I persoanlly know a few ordinary folks who will be buying MacBooks despite not being "pro users."

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v RE: Pros of what?
by Wowbagger on Fri 20th Jan 2006 01:26 UTC in reply to "camera"
RE[2]: Pros of what?
by Lazarus on Fri 20th Jan 2006 01:53 UTC in reply to "RE: Pros of what?"
Lazarus Member since:
2005-08-10

"Couch-Potatoe-Pros? Professional-Multimedia-Consumption-Couch-Sitting-Douche-Bag?"

I don't know why I'm responding to this, but here goes:

Heaven help us that a company is marketing products that appeal to a wide range of potential users, from pros to newbies, to multimedia junkies and UNIX geeks, at reasonable prices.

Shame on Apple. Poo poo on them :-P

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RE[2]: Pros of what?
by BlackJack75 on Fri 20th Jan 2006 02:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Pros of what?"
BlackJack75 Member since:
2005-08-29

I just don't see why you keep opposing the two. One can have a computer for both personal and pro uses. Just create two users if you really want to avoid any mix.

What's wrong if I watch a movie on the computer I used allday long to write software?

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RE[2]: Pros of what?
by modmans2ndcoming on Fri 20th Jan 2006 06:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Pros of what?"
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2005-11-09

pro's on the road who want to watch a movie in the motel.

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RE: camera
by mikesname on Fri 20th Jan 2006 01:57 UTC in reply to "camera"
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2005-10-01

I agree, especially RE: Firewire 800.

If you'd bought, say, an RME Fireface ( www.rme-audio.com/english/firewire/ff800.htm ) and wanted to upgrade to a MacBook Pro, you'd be pretty pissed off.

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RE: camera
by modmans2ndcoming on Fri 20th Jan 2006 06:07 UTC in reply to "camera"
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2005-11-09

blah you want s-video, buy the 20 dollar dongle.... modem.. yeah that sucks, FW800? it sucks for the 5 people that used it.

The screen res is not worse for the size.. the size of the screen is physically 60 pixels shorter so the ratio of physical screen to res is maintained.... No Dual Layer burning? So the F what.. that is just a stupid buffer tech that will die in 6 - 1o months anyway when BR is available.

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MacBoo Pros and Cons
by Evan on Fri 20th Jan 2006 02:39 UTC
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2006-01-18

Front row with keynote support sounded like a great idea for a Macbook Pro... until they removed svideo.

And I'm pretty sure I've hooked up a TV and second LCD to my powerbook to be using all 3 screens at once (admittedly I might have imagined it, im tired right now).

Is there at least a converter for dvi-svideo?

And where the hell is my firewire 800, just include the converter cable for 2 firewire 400 connections and it would be fine. Seems like they wanted to put this laptop together quickly. Its the same size, lacks a lot of old features, doesn't seem to include any that should take up much space on the pcb, and still haven't told us about the battery life.

But damnit, I want one.

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Why remove the modem?
by BlackJack75 on Fri 20th Jan 2006 02:44 UTC
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2005-08-29

While it's not necessary on an Imac since most serious users have broadband I find it a bit harsh not to have a modem on the laptop. If you're on the way it's always easy to find a phone line but not every town has free WIFI.

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RE: Why remove the modem?
by modmans2ndcoming on Fri 20th Jan 2006 06:11 UTC in reply to "Why remove the modem?"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

but, you can always get a subscription to (or add access to a DSL account for) wifi hot spots like at the flying-J

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RE: Why remove the modem?
by Alex Forster on Fri 20th Jan 2006 21:20 UTC in reply to "Why remove the modem?"
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2005-08-12

The last statistics I saw said that something like 60% of the [UK?] internet populous is on broadband. Dialup is the minority. Though I don't disagree. Most of Apple's check-your-email-surf-the-web target are probably the 40% still on dialup.

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S-Video and FireWire 800
by rbenchley on Fri 20th Jan 2006 02:48 UTC
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2005-11-03

It would have been nice if they included these on the new MacBook Pro, but it's not a huge deal. You can pick up a S-Video adapter for $20, and apparently they're going to release a Express Card/34 card that will provide FireWire 800.

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Other Rosetta limitations
by unkn0wn on Fri 20th Jan 2006 04:18 UTC
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2005-06-30

On the topic of Rosetta not loading iMovie plugins, I would just like to note that in my experience with the new Intel iMac any PPC spotlight importers and automator actions will not load with Rosetta.

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RE: Other Rosetta limitations
by modmans2ndcoming on Fri 20th Jan 2006 06:12 UTC in reply to "Other Rosetta limitations"
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2005-11-09

automator actions? those should carry over with out modification to the intel OS and run native.

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Ok
by Duffman on Fri 20th Jan 2006 07:47 UTC
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2005-11-23

> especially iPhoto '06 is so much faster than its predecessor (which is close to unusable)

It seems I am a god, I use it every day (and it is usable)...

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Not Impressed
by moondevil on Fri 20th Jan 2006 09:47 UTC
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2005-07-08

I hope that this new Macs are sucessful on the field. However I won't be having one for the time being.

My laptop was 500 euro, cheaper than the MacBook Pro and beats it in every feature.

I would like to own one, but my OS experience allows me to use a dual boot laptop quite comfortable. So no upgrade for the time being.

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RE: Not Impressed
by Quoth_the_Raven on Fri 20th Jan 2006 10:42 UTC in reply to "Not Impressed"
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2005-11-15

Maybe you can dual boot, but not to OS X. That's the whole point of buying a Mac, genius.

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USB2 vs Firewire
by Deviant on Fri 20th Jan 2006 16:23 UTC
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2006-01-04

Yes - Firewire 800 rocked speed-wise but it was significantly more expensive and rarer than USB2 and Firewire 400 devices. This can be explained by the fact USB2 has been in every Intel PC for years and Firewire, especially Firewire 800, in hardly any. Now, the Apple version of USB2 sucked pretty hard - it ran at about half the speed of a good PC motherboard implementation - so their Firewire 400 was the faster/better option to get data in and out of their system for the money. There was even some speculation that the Apple USB2 implementation was soo bad that it might have been purposefully sabotaged to promote Firewire. However, my guess is that on the MacBook pro, since they are using stardard Intel guts, it is far closer to the PC approach and just about equal with Firewire 400. Considering how much more prevelent and cheaper the USB2 interface is these speeds will be more than acceptable for most people... See the review/benchmark below.

"The Windows PC implementation of USB 2.0 puts the Mac to shame. Today we tested the same USB 2.0 drive/enclosure on a Windows PC (3GHz Pentium 4) with built-in USB 2.0 on the motherboard, similar to Apple's approach. We measured 33MB/s READ and 27MB/s WRITE."

http://www.barefeats.com/usb2.html

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