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Why is it that the moment GNOME-team releases something, that exact feature becomes awful in KDE?

Who said anything about GNOME?

Kat had problems in Mandriva 2006 as well (see http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/review2006pt2.html and Mandriva saying the same thing at http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki/bin/Main/katxorg-updates0902). The comment has more to do with Kat (which is immature) than with GNOME or Beagle.

Please dont bring KDE/Gnome into this.
We all knw about beagle and have been waiting for it. Beagle and Xen are about the most talked features of past 6 months. If KDE is making use of this, then this is good for open source community in general. For developers we can think it of as component re-use.
Not to forget that there already existed some KDE clients for Beagle like yabi (http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=33222 )
Description:
yaBi (Yet Another Beagle search Interface) is a python-kde-beagle search
interface to find information from beagle.

Edited 2006-02-24 01:40

Beagle wasn't released by the Gnome team, it's a Novell sponsored project, AFAIK, part of their attempt at relevance for mono.

The latest version was actually split so that the backend isn't (as) dependent upon Gnome and can be matched with a native interface in your wm/de of choice.

Besides, this has nothing to do with Gnome having better search, it's completely to do with KDE having abysmal search. This is a reasonable stop-gap for people that don't mind the mono dependencies, until Kat reaches a state resembling useability.

Edited 2006-02-24 04:08

Considering what it was using, I was thinking of a rival for beagle using GJC and classpath.... But am undecided at the moment...

Can't see anything wrong with it, and that's in SUSE 10....

Have you not used Mandriva 2006? Kat should definitely not have been included. It's horribly, horribly slow and puts such a tax on your system its not even funny.

I'm not sure if it has changed much, but with the latest stable updates applied to 2006, it's still pretty much the same.

I installed it in SUSE and observed the same mess. Not that heavy but hard to understand and next to unusable. Not surprise it's a Mandriva contribution....

Kat's not written by anyone at Mandriva, we just host the site and support development as a contribution to the project.

d3mon, the January update to Kat should have resolved some of its obnoxiousness - some of the most egregious bugs were fixed, and mail indexing was turned off, since that caused a lot of the problems. I just installed a copy of latest Community in VMware (including the updated Kat) and it doesn't seem to be causing major problems (even in VMware, which isn't exactly the fastest environment).

kat isn't ready yet. beagle has been in development for waay longer (and is still unstable and resource hungry) so its a bit more usable. i hope the next Kat release will be better - but i wouldn't count on a usable Kat until its 1.0 release.

The vonage ones did it in for me, I couldn't stand the bouncy cartoonish characters, especially after seeing the commercials. The bright orange background only elevated the annoyance from awful to cruelty.

Frankly the only advertisements I don't block are the google text advertisements which as an added bonus were usually related to the page I was viewing. That's the way for ads to go and the sooner people relize that the better.

Yeah, normally I don't agree with blocking ads on websites, but this website is getting ridiculous. Is OSNews now modelling itself after sites like CheatCC and isoHunt? I thought they had finally gotten some senses when Google text ads, and the occasional Google Image ad (I really dislike that Google now allows that...although at least they don't put them on their own websites...yet) started showing up, but then they post these awful ads on the site. Pretty soon I'm going to have to switch to Linux from Windows just so I don't get malware from OSNews, or at least do a spyware scan every time I read OSNews.

Anyways, just had to voice my opinion, I think I'm steering this conversation off-track, so I'll just shut up now.

If you dont like the ADs, pay for the service. It's faster anyhow (as most of the render time on this site is due to the ad tables).

If you dont like the ADs, pay for the service. It's faster anyhow (as most of the render time on this site is due to the ad tables).

Well, like I said, I don't mind ads one bit, as long as they don't literally scream at me to grab my attention. If this needs to be included in the ads, the product behind the ads is obviously no good for one thing.

One thing I don't understand is this, this is a technology news site. Fancy shmancy emoticons are aimed at kids. Google ads are going to show ads relevant to technology when placed on this site. Which ones do you think are going to get more ad clicks from readers on this site?

Anyways, I would've considered the pay service had I known about it some other way, but if they are going to put screaming ads in order to try to get you to sign up for it, I won't bother. I like the new adblock plus I just installed anyways.

You will not get malware simply by visiting a site with a patched Windows. Let's not spread FUD.

You will get malware by simnply connecting to the net with Microsoft windows PC.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/0,2000061744,39200021,00.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx#run

"Because computers can appear to function normally when infected, Microsoft advises you to run this tool even if your computer seems to be fine. You should also use up-to-date antivirus software to help protect your computer from other malicious software."

You will get malwarte connecting an *unpatched* Windows PC with the firewall off, lets not be silly now

You will not get malware simply by visiting a site with a patched Windows. Let's not spread FUD.

T'was a joke buddy, relax and take your medication.

OSNews, I have clicked on your ads before, but I will install adblock and block all ads on your site if you don't remove that stupid smiley ad that screams "HELLO" every time you happen to move your mouse over it. I thought only warez sites were dumb enough to include something that pisses off readers so much.

Funny that. I got hit with the "HELLO!" for the first time last night while I was browsing this site. It scared the crap out of my sleeping dog, who started barking, scaring the crap out of me, and waking up my sick girlfriend, which frankly scared the crap out of me even more. A barking dog, screaming girlfriend, and a nosy banner ad are a little more than I want to deal with when I'm trying to relax.

I'm with you, if I get that banner one more time, I'm blocking the referring ip address. I can live with ads, but that one is just absolutely annoying.

The main advantage is that kat is still very early in it's development. Beagle is much more polished right now.

The main advantage is that kat is still very early in it's development. Beagle is much more polished right now.

If Beagle is more polished then the state of desktop search isn't that great.

So... what advantage does this offer over kat?

Kat is, AFAIK, an indexer, so it could be compared to Beagle's indexer clucene.

Searching is more than just indexing. The indexer provides the data the search engine will operate on, but it is the search engine that makes this data usable by ranking hits, etc

Kat is, AFAIK, an indexer, so it could be compared to Beagle's indexer clucene.

Nope, Kat is infact a serch engine just like Beagle. It's even rumored that Kat will switch to a Luence indexer, CLuceneQT by the author of Luence.

You may mix it up with Tenor, which is going to use the Kat indexer as a base. The contextual linkage of Tenor are much more than the simple desktop search offered by the programs like Kat or Beagle.

Edited 2006-02-24 12:59

You can use the deskbar applet for this, it can do live beagle queries:

http://raphael.slinckx.net/deskbar/

Why would you want a web interface when there is a kio slave ? Kio seems a better approach to me.

Read the article, there is a Kio slave named Beagle://, you can call it from every where.

"Read the article, there is a Kio slave named Beagle://, you can call it from every where."

Remember: This is OSnews, hardly anyone actually reads the articles.

Read the article, there is a Kio slave named Beagle://, you can call it from every where.

Ummm, take a look at the following link. First screenshot.

http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=28437

Now go and use Google, and you'll realize what I mean by Web interface. Google Desktop shows search results EXACTLY like Google Web Search does, which is what I like.