Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 17th May 2006 14:48 UTC, submitted by Joel Dahl
X11, Window Managers Xfree 4.6.0 has been released. New features include security updates, driver updates and fixes, input driver enhancements, Xinerama improvements, and much more. Read the release notes, readme, and installation notes.
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Anyone?
by maxx_730 on Wed 17th May 2006 15:16 UTC
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Does anyone actually still use XFree86 after the license split and fork? I thought that pretty much everyone (except NetBSD for hardware compatibility reasons) used Xorg now?
And if you still use it, what incentive do you have to use it/keep using it?

Edited 2006-05-17 15:17

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RE: Anyone?
by philicorda on Wed 17th May 2006 15:46 UTC in reply to "Anyone?"
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2005-12-31

I think the people from Xorg look at it quite a lot. ;)
At least I hope they do, it would be a shame if so much work was duplicated.

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RE[2]: Anyone?
by NxStY on Wed 17th May 2006 16:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Anyone?"
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2005-11-12

There isn't much happening in xfree86. They only have a few contributors and a lot of the new code is under the xfree86 1.1 licence so X.org can't use it anyway.

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RE[2]: Anyone?
by charlieg on Wed 17th May 2006 16:16 UTC in reply to "RE: Anyone?"
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2005-07-25

Sadly Xorg can't take anything from Xfree since the Xfree licensing (which caused the split) is not GPL compatable.

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RE[3]: Anyone?
by bsd_geek on Wed 17th May 2006 17:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Anyone?"
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2006-05-04

Sadly Xorg can't take anything from Xfree since the Xfree licensing (which caused the split) is not GPL compatable.

Huh? I thought X.org was under the MIT license. Now I'll have to check, unless someone can chime in and confirm my assumption.

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RE[4]: Anyone?
by Wrawrat on Wed 17th May 2006 17:48 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Anyone?"
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2005-06-30

Some parts are licenced under the MIT, but the work from the folks in the XFree86 project is licenced under their own licence.

http://www.xfree86.org/legal/licenses.html

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RE[4]: Anyone?
by JoeBuck on Wed 17th May 2006 19:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Anyone?"
JoeBuck Member since:
2006-01-11

X.org is under the MIT license, but the new Xfree86 license is more restrictive, which is why they can't use the code.

Fortunately most of the former Xfree86 maintainers are now X.org maintainers, leaving Xfree86 irrelevant.

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RE: Anyone?
by nelvana2005 on Wed 17th May 2006 19:42 UTC in reply to "Anyone?"
nelvana2005 Member since:
2005-07-29

I am still using Suse Linux 7.3 on my NForce2 chipset together with XFree86. The 4.6.0 release works well. Although the updating of Suse 7.3 is sometimes very time-consuming, it is worth it, because it is as fast as lightning on my Athlon XP 2500+.

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Such a shame...
by fretinator on Wed 17th May 2006 15:58 UTC
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2005-07-06

It does seem like a lot of wasted effort. My laptop has an ATI Integrated card (IGP-320M). X.Org 7.0 has 3D support, XFree does not (I read the release notes).

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Vanity, Thy Names is David Dawes
by gypsumfantastic on Wed 17th May 2006 16:15 UTC
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2005-07-06

"Installation Notes"?

Guess I won't be needing those.

Hahahaha.

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this is the sound...
by spikeb on Wed 17th May 2006 16:19 UTC
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2006-01-18

of zero hands clapping

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Two thumbs down!
by amiroff on Wed 17th May 2006 17:18 UTC
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2005-07-06

Thumbs down for the most dissappointing project of last years...

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RE: Two thumbs down!
by atomicplayboy on Wed 17th May 2006 17:35 UTC in reply to "Two thumbs down!"
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2006-04-28

Xfree was the basis of xorg, so it's not like it was all bad. It is unfortunate that they decided to go with the license change that seemed to be the nail in the coffin, but there is something to be said for the project staying away from large changes. You might not be using it on your desktop machine, but for server environments where a rock solid stable X11 implementation is needed, Xfree might be a better option. Also, I'm not positive about this, but aren't there quite a few older unices that still haven't switched over to xorg (ie. AIX, HP-UX, etc)?

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RE[2]: Two thumbs down!
by MightyPenguin on Wed 17th May 2006 18:51 UTC in reply to "RE: Two thumbs down!"
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2005-11-18

How many people have big mission critical servers running X? Is it possible, yes, does it exist, yes. But not so many servers run as remote unix gui sessions. Yeah I'd agree that for such environments the new xorg stuff is still a little too bleeding edge, but it'll calm down soon enough now that the xorg 7 reorg is mostly done.

Plus, if you actually want to have hardware compatibility then you really have to use xorg. New hardware support in Xfree is added slower then a glaciar on pluto.

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RE[3]: Two thumbs down!
by dukeinlondon on Wed 17th May 2006 22:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Two thumbs down!"
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2005-07-06

Yeah, even for X applications, they are mostly displayed in eXceed on Windows clients than on an X server on the server itself actually !

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RE[2]: Two thumbs down!
by Tweek on Thu 18th May 2006 16:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Two thumbs down!"
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2006-01-12

Actually the license change was a great thing for the X system. It got people to fork it and create an amazing new branch rather quickly. If only they had done that years ago when Xfree86 stopped doing real work.

Xfree86 basically decided they wanted to remain a pure unix environment in the traditional sense and not add too many new features. Now look at Xorg, it is keeping the old concepts in there but also adding tons of new shit that is pretty exciting.

I am glad they changed the license, if only they would have done that 5-10 years ago instead.

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Sad.
by gilboa on Wed 17th May 2006 17:51 UTC
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2005-07-06

But the graveyards are full with people who thought they couldn't be replaced.
David Dawes (and the reset of the remaining XFree team) made every possible mistake in the book. XFree earned its rightful place in the software graveyard up-above.

And to think that XFree ruled the world in 2004...

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Totally offtopic
by mwerfspain on Wed 17th May 2006 18:17 UTC
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2006-02-19

Why does osnews show a poor dolphin being shot when the DB is down? I like dolphins.

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RE: Totally offtopic
by twenex on Wed 17th May 2006 18:19 UTC in reply to "Totally offtopic"
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2006-04-21

It's OK, it isn't real.

(I hope!)

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RE: Totally offtopic
by macisaac on Wed 17th May 2006 19:24 UTC in reply to "Totally offtopic"
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2005-08-28

better question, why does the DB go down _so_ much of late (last few months or so)? not flaming, just would like to know

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RE[2]: Totally offtopic
by smitty on Wed 17th May 2006 19:44 UTC in reply to "RE: Totally offtopic"
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2005-10-13

No kidding, I swear the DB has gone down at least once every single day for the last few months. I don't care if you start using Windows/MSSQL, just get something that works, PLEASE.

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RE[3]: Totally offtopic
by bsd_geek on Wed 17th May 2006 20:04 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Totally offtopic"
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2006-05-04

No kidding, I swear the DB has gone down at least once every single day for the last few months. I don't care if you start using Windows/MSSQL, just get something that works, PLEASE.

I agree. It's gettting pretty annoying. What is OSNews using anyway that is causing so many problems?

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RE[4]: Totally offtopic
by halfmanhalfamazing on Fri 19th May 2006 12:42 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Totally offtopic"
halfmanhalfamazing Member since:
2005-07-23

------------What is OSNews using anyway that is causing so many problems?----------------

Going down alot, causing problems?

Clearly, that's gotta be windows.

:-D

*ducks*

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RE[5]: Totally offtopic
by bsd_geek on Fri 19th May 2006 19:22 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Totally offtopic"
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2006-05-04

Clearly, that's gotta be windows.

Honestly, I thought it was because of Linux + MySQL. Not that I'm a Windows fan, but my username pretty much tells you where my loyalty lies. ;)

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RE: Totally offtopic
by modmans2ndcoming on Thu 18th May 2006 02:10 UTC in reply to "Totally offtopic"
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2005-11-09

the DB is down, they use MySQL, MySQL's mascot is a dolphin, so, when the DB is down a dolphin has been shot.

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RE[2]: Totally offtopic
by elsewhere on Thu 18th May 2006 03:51 UTC in reply to "RE: Totally offtopic"
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2005-07-13

the DB is down, they use MySQL, MySQL's mascot is a dolphin, so, when the DB is down a dolphin has been shot.

Judging from how often that freaking dolphin is making an appearance now, I assume they're running MySQL on an OSX server.

=:-o

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RE[3]: Totally offtopic
by D3M0N on Thu 18th May 2006 04:13 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Totally offtopic"
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2005-07-09

I've been visiting this site for years now and never once saw the database ever go down. Recently though, like all of you - I've been seeing it almost every day it seems.

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RE: Totally offtopic
by Sphinx on Thu 18th May 2006 04:07 UTC in reply to "Totally offtopic"
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2005-07-09

Why does osnews show a poor dolphin being shot when the DB is down? I like dolphins.

It all depends on the sauce.

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RE: Totally offtopic
by aaronb on Thu 18th May 2006 06:30 UTC in reply to "Totally offtopic"
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2005-07-06

It better than the no soup for you error. I quite like soup and Dolphins. Maybe some Dolphin soup is in order <-;

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Just a query
by vikramsharma on Wed 17th May 2006 18:39 UTC
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2005-07-06

Which bsd or linux distros are using XFree86, OpenBSD was using XFree86 a while back. Now that X11R7 supports 3D acceleration why would any dsitro opt for XFree86, not flamming just asking out of curiosity. Thanks.

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RE: Just a query
by raver31 on Wed 17th May 2006 18:46 UTC in reply to "Just a query"
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2005-07-06

As far as I am aware, Debian use Xfree in the last official release.
However, that is not the point. There is people here either trolling or making jokes about graveyards etc,
It is indeed a funny joke, however, there is a point that you all seem to miss.

Open source software, does not die, it does not fade away, it does not dwindle, it does not disappear..... The code is there for anyone to take and start to re-develop. Try that with proprietary stuff.

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RE[2]: Just a query
by bouh on Thu 18th May 2006 02:50 UTC in reply to "RE: Just a query"
bouh Member since:
2005-10-27

Only for "statble", As soon as you switch to "testing", your Xfree is replaced by an Xorg. Since they plan to release Etch as "stable" by the end of the year (if I remember well) Xfree is not going to be used a lot anymore. May be, as one said, by AIX HP-UX (though HP has now been selling lot's of Redhat on its servers... Redhat uses Xorg)

Xfree made it possible, but everythings comes to an end one day.
Le roi est mort. Vive le roi.

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RE[2]: Just a query
by olexiy on Thu 18th May 2006 07:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Just a query"
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2005-08-31

> The code is there for anyone to take and start to re-develop.

Too much code in this particular case.

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It's dead, Jim
by JoeBuck on Wed 17th May 2006 19:04 UTC
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2006-01-11

Debian sarge uses a pre-fork version of Xfree (before they changed the license). Most of the former Xfree developers now work on Xorg. Debian unstable has switched to Xorg last July, and future Debian releases will use Xorg.

Xfree86 work is only of interest to very conservative maintainers of legacy systems.

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RE: It's dead, Jim
by JackSmack on Thu 18th May 2006 02:45 UTC in reply to "It's dead, Jim"
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2006-05-01

add that debian etch has x.org and it ROCKS! ;)

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X.org and XFree86
by WereCatf on Thu 18th May 2006 01:57 UTC
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2006-02-15

I can't say I'm really interesting in XFree86, but this is the first news in ages that I've read about it. I guess there really isn't much going on or atleast no one ever bothers to write about it. I've been using Linux for quite a good while and I vaguely remember quite a few mentions about future plans for XFree86, some of which included license changes, and then there came the split to X.org and XFree86..X.org seemed very promising, looking at all the plans people had for it, and I frankly was quite eager to get to try it and it's new stuff sometime. Well, I finally did when Gentoo made the switch to it. It's been a pleasant journey and X.org is strolling forward at an impressive speed. Personal favorites are the EXA, XComposite extension and the move from monolithic to modular structure. It really helps keeping the system up-to-date and I no longer have to compile the whole thing at once.

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RE: X.org and XFree86
by NxStY on Thu 18th May 2006 10:19 UTC in reply to "X.org and XFree86"
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2005-11-12

Xfree86 development is pretty much going on as usual, even before the fork. They release a little less than once per year and every new release contains some driver enhancements, some bugfixes, a few minor new features and an updated xterm. Nothing interesting really.

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RE[3]: Totally offtopic
by Tuishimi on Thu 18th May 2006 04:35 UTC
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2005-07-06

Oooo! Zoweee!

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RE: Sad.
by kaiwai on Thu 18th May 2006 09:38 UTC
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2005-07-06

One must remember, however, that the licencing issue was the last straw that broke the camels back - there were alot more issues surrounding XFree86. For example, the 'exclusive' way in which the project was managed, the lack of transparency in regards to how the project bought in contributions.

In the end, with the move to Xorg, it provide a much needed boot up the ass, and has encouraged people to contribute to the project rather than with XFree86 with the same small core of developers.

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xorg 7.1 is released tomorrow
by lord_rob on Thu 18th May 2006 11:35 UTC
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2005-08-06

A bit offtopic but ...

http://wiki.x.org/wiki/ReleaseWorkingGroup

The current release manager for 7.1 is Adam Jackson. The current schedule for the Xorg 7.1 release is:

* Branch nomination for 7.1: March 17, 2006
* Branch selection for 7.1: March 31, 2006
* 7.1RC1: April 7, 2006
* 7.1RC2: April 28, 2006
* 7.1RC3: May 12, 2006
* 7.1 Release: May 19, 2006

Future releases are expected to follow the same basic pattern on six month intervals.

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