Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 17:31 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless A few months ago I wrote an editorial and several blog posts about convergence on gadgets and how Apple might have to move to the phone market for the next-gen of its iPods. So, where is that market is going? Hi-Mobile.net was very kind to send us over the Sony Ericsson W810i Walkman phone for the purposes of this review. We take a look at the W810i's voice, data and multimedia capabilities.
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w600I
by sgtarky on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 17:47 UTC
sgtarky
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2006-01-02

I have a w600I and I love it.

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RE: w600I
by amp306 on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 17:58 UTC in reply to "w600I"
amp306 Member since:
2006-03-06

I also have the w600i, its great but i have trouble getting it to charge sometimes and also have trouble turning it on. Also the limited capacity on the internal memory was a disapointment, seeing as i was looking to use this as my mp3 player after my iPod died and i allready had a 1 gig memorystick duo card. But overall its a great phone,and it looks like the w810 is worth the extra cash.

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W800i
by mike_a on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 17:53 UTC
mike_a
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2005-07-06

I have the W810i's little brother, the W800i. I think the 800 looks better and the lenscover is also a big plus! The real difference is in the sound it produces, the 810 makes a heck of a lot more sound!

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RE: W800i
by Eugenia on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 17:55 UTC in reply to "W800i"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

The W800i was a great phone in its time, last year. The good things the W810 has over the W800 are the updated software, netfront, the rss app, quadband and EDGE.

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Hi-Mobile
by Dias on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 17:57 UTC
Dias
Member since:
2006-02-20

Hi guys

Does anybody have ever bought something on this site?

I've noticed that they have K610i which I'm interested...

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RE: Hi-Mobile
by Eugenia on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 18:06 UTC in reply to "Hi-Mobile"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

All the dealings I had with them were via the osnews label and not as a direct customer, but they always proved professional to me and very receptive to my suggestions.

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Calendar
by msundman on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 18:06 UTC
msundman
Member since:
2005-07-06

Does anyone know if the calendar on that phone supports recurring events (one of the most basic features a calendar can have)?

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RE: Calendar
by Eugenia on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 18:10 UTC in reply to "Calendar"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Yes and no. The recurring feature does not exist in the "Calendar" application but in the "Alarm" application. But then again, the Alarms do show up in Calendar, so I guess it's the same thing.

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RE[2]: Calendar
by msundman on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 18:51 UTC in reply to "RE: Calendar"
msundman Member since:
2005-07-06

So can I input, like, 30 recurring "alarms" with texts like "Amy's birthday", "Weekly staff meeting", etc.? Also, can "alarms" be at a different time than the actual notification (e.g., I'd like to be reminded of the staff meeting 15 minutes before it starts)?

Edited 2006-07-03 18:54

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RE[3]: Calendar
by Eugenia on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 18:58 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Calendar"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

No, you can't do multiple alarms, only a single one. You can't set the alarm to go off at a different time than it is supposed to ring (that would defeat the purpose of an alarm). However, you can do that with Appointments in the Calendar. The problem with Appointments though is that it doesn't support recurring events. So basically, it's the chicken and the egg problem.

Edited 2006-07-03 18:59

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RE[4]: Calendar
by msundman on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 20:31 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Calendar"
msundman Member since:
2005-07-06

> you can't do multiple alarms, only a single one.

So they are not a replacement for calendar events. This is fine with me, though, because it works how one would expect an alarm to work.

> The problem with Appointments though is that it doesn't
> support recurring events.

I can't fathom how anyone would come up with the incredibly stupid idea of creating a calendar without recurring events. That's absurd! Almost all my events are recurring (birthdays, weekly meetings, anniversaries, lectures, ...).

> So basically, it's the chicken and the egg problem.

Umm.. no, it isn't. The alarm function in itself seems fine. It's the calendar that just really sucks.

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K800i
by audun on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 19:17 UTC
audun
Member since:
2005-07-13

I just brought home a new K800i an hour ago. :o)

A 3G phone with one 3,2 Mbit cam, and a second one at the front. The price difference down to the W810i was 400 NOK, or 64 USD. I think it's worth it, even with a little change in size, and I just got internal 64MB of memory (for now)..

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RE: K800i
by Eugenia on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 19:21 UTC in reply to "K800i"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I was thinking of ordering the K800i instead of the W810i for this review, but there were a few things that made me go with the W810i instead:
1. I already had a 2 GB Sandisk Memory Stick Pro Duo card. The K800i takes the new M2 format which is expensive, difficult to find, and not in high-capacity volumes yet.
2. The K800i is not quad-band GSM (important in USA).
3. The K800i does not carry the Walkman software.
4. The W810i has better battery life.

Other than that, the K800i beats the W810i in every other category. InfosyncWorld even posted a review of it today: http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/n/6873.html

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Agreed
by LB06 on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 19:47 UTC
LB06
Member since:
2005-07-06

I agree with most of your points made. It's indeed a very good phone. Photo's are very bright and sharp (but depending on circumstances such as light, more than a 'regular' digital camera). Sound quality and the included earphones are excellent indeed.

Cons:
- Some ID3-tags are cut off halfway
- Playing MP3 really drains my battery. I came nowhere near 15 hours in normal mode. It only lasts like 8 hours here. Could be due to the 2GB card, though. It seems to eat way more energy than the 512MB one that is included in the package. Otherwise battery lifetime is very good.
- Silent mode is not really silent. Taking a picture while in silent mode still produces sound.

Edited 2006-07-03 19:48

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RE: Agreed
by memson on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 20:00 UTC in reply to "Agreed"
memson Member since:
2006-01-01

> Silent mode is not really silent. Taking a picture while in silent mode still produces sound.

Well, this is really simple to explain: you therefore cannot covertly take photos. Otherwise it opens up the posibility to perverts and paedophiles.

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RE[2]: Agreed
by msundman on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 20:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Agreed"
msundman Member since:
2005-07-06

> > Silent mode is not really silent. Taking a picture while
> > in silent mode still produces sound.
>
> Well, this is really simple to explain: you therefore
> cannot covertly take photos. Otherwise it opens up the
> posibility to perverts and paedophiles.

Now that's just silly. There are, and always will be, a lot of smaller and better cameras that are silent.

How would you react if you saw shoes that have bells on them? Would you say that it's simple to explain it as it makes it impossible for criminals to sneak up on people? Of course not, you would just call it insane unless the shoes are meant for an elf or something.

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RE[3]: Agreed
by mike_a on Tue 4th Jul 2006 17:16 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Agreed"
mike_a Member since:
2005-07-06

Haha perfect!

I found out that it's different between phones and I don't know why. I tested it with four SEs; two 800s en two 810s. Mine (W800i) doesn't make a shutter sound when in silent mode, the other (from a friend) does. And of the 810s only one of them is really silent, the other does make a shutter sound... I looked at the firmware versions, which were the same, but some other codes were different among the two 800s en 810s...

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RE[4]: Agreed
by junior on Tue 4th Jul 2006 17:41 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Agreed"
junior Member since:
2005-07-07

It depends in what country you bought the phone. For example here in the Netherlands we've got pretty loose laws for certain things, but apparently I'm not allowed to make a photograph with my phone without everybody within a radius of fifty meters noticing. If you bought your phone in eg. Hong Kong (if I remember correctly) there are no such issues.

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RE[3]: Agreed
by junior on Tue 4th Jul 2006 17:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Agreed"
junior Member since:
2005-07-07

Well, the point is that a telephone is most likely the most carried item. Ask twenty people in public transportation if they carry a telephone and 18 will say yes. Ask twenty people in public transportation if they carry a camera and if you're lucky if someone does.

Edited 2006-07-04 17:42

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RE[4]: Agreed
by msundman on Wed 5th Jul 2006 01:00 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Agreed"
msundman Member since:
2005-07-06

> the point is that a telephone is most likely the most
> carried item. Ask twenty people in public transportation

It seems you're missing the point. We weren't talking about any random group of people, but of "perverts and paedophiles" who want to take photos covertly. There is no good reason for these people to use a phone-cam instead of a vastly superior small digital camera with a much faster lens, better resolution, better optics and longer zoom.

Granted, there are (very few) people who wouldn't normally take photos covertly, but might if an exceptionally good opportunity presented itself. Still, this can't possibly be common enough to warrant making the camera annoying for everyone.

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okay...
by memson on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 19:58 UTC
memson
Member since:
2006-01-01

This phone is fairly similar to the W800i, which is basically K750i with different firmware and a slightly different case. Okay, it has 3G, but that is not really a big deal unless you want to watch TV. 3G isn't all that useful on a phone IMO other than that.

So,

Quad band - not relevant to Europe. GSM is all we need. The fact that it does it is, um, nice for Americans, but poinless for me.

All the buttons you describe are present on the K750i. The "Walkman software" is fairly similar to the software built into the K750i, IIRC the main difference is that it has slightly better control over changing the position of the video.

K750i has a radio. K750i has a memorystick DUO port. K750i has Java. K750i is mountable as a hard drive. K750i has the same camera software - in landscape.

K750i supports 3GP and MPEG4. It's possible to watch them full screen (though the controls over the playback suck.)

Speaker phone - use the volume control to reduce the speaker's volume.

Browser: the pages I've looked at in the Ericsson browser work fine. As for Netfront: I suspect it's more about the fact that you have almost identical hardware as the W800i internally. The hardware is simple not updated :-) Welcome to Ericsson, reselling the same old tat with new firmware! Woot!

Edited 2006-07-03 20:05

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RE: okay...
by AdamW on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 20:07 UTC in reply to "okay..."
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

Er, what do you think quad band _is_? It doesn't have anything to do with CDMA. It simply refers to covering all four frequency bands that are used for GSM networks in various different parts of the world. This is a GSM phone. If you mean "we don't need quadband here in Europe", then fine, but say what you mean. Don't say "GSM is all we need", because that doesn't make any sense.

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RE: okay...
by hobgoblin on Wed 5th Jul 2006 14:30 UTC in reply to "okay..."
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

err, last time i checked, W810 do not have 3G...

3G = UMTS or CDMA2000. however it does have EDGE, a speed boost on the good old GSM system (or more correctly, the GPRS data transfer system).

the one surprising thing about W810 is the autofocus. something SE normaly only use on their K (camera) line of phones...

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small error.
by xushi on Mon 3rd Jul 2006 20:52 UTC
xushi
Member since:
2005-08-29

General features
Complete music kit
2 megapixel camera with autofocus
EDGE - fast mobile Internet
E-mail, text and picture messaaging
2 megapixel camera with autofocus
E-mail, text and picture messaging
EDGE - fast mobile Internet
Complete music kit
Weight: 3.5 oz.
Sizes: 100 x 46 x 19.5 mm.

Should anyone warn them about that warn them about that? Yes it's a very small mistake, but it !does! make an impact..

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Some other points..
by konfoo on Tue 4th Jul 2006 03:16 UTC
konfoo
Member since:
2006-01-02

I just purchased one of these after much research.

- For the price point it can't be beaten.
- It supports 4Gb Duo cards
- You can buy one with a lifetime warranty at importgsm.com (no I do not work there)
- Google's Google Maps J2ME client works well on it. There are a few other mapping apps that support maps and GPS in realtime via J2ME app + GPS over bluetooth
- The camera.. I compared many shots with a K800. As far as actual picture quality and artifacts are concerned, the two are almost identical (noise, saturation, color, edge artifacts, etc.)
- The speed of writing to the memory stick using a USB cable and the phone mounted as a drive is extremely slow. Buy a card reader and don't use the phone.
- This phone works great with Flickr's ability to email a photo to your flickr email address. You just need to use the file manager and email the photos as attachments (the photos are usually too large for MMS).
- The J2ME benchmarks on the W810 are not so hot. Don't expect to be playing 3d games, although some do work fairly well.
- The RSS reader allows you to synchronize all your feeds in one shot. This is great if you have 20 feeds and you want something to read before you step on the plane.
- The display is small but it has good clarity and is quite readable WRT RSS feeds etc.
- Getting music and apps onto this phone is way too simple. Plug the memstick into your PC, drag and drop the mp3s and JAR files, and youre done.
- EDGE works great.

If you want a good camera, bluetooth connectivity, mp3 player, expandable storage, solid FM receiver, .... then this is the phone to get. It works well with handheld devices (Nokia 770..?) and supports DUN.

If you want a keyboard and good contacts management then try something else like the W600.

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ebengt
Member since:
2006-07-04

greetings,

does this phone allow me to listen to the radio via bluetooth?

on my current phone (k700i) it is not possible to listen to the radio on a bluetooth headset.
first i need to connect a handsfree with cable as an antenna. then i can only choose between listening to the handsfree or the builtin loudspeaker. can the W810i send the radio to a bluetooth headset?


bengt

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Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Of course not. On most phones, the handsfree is working as an antenna, it is REQUIRED to have it for the FM radio to work. Same on the W810i, you can't do it via Bluetooth because then the radio has no antenna.

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ebengt Member since:
2006-07-04

thank you for your answer. i find this lack unfortunate.

btw, i think you might not have fully understood what i meant. i know that the handsfree is working as an antenna. even with the handsfree working as an antenna i can still get the radio from the loadspeaker. so i think it should be possible to get the radio from the bluetooth headset in a similar manner. provided that i keep the handsfree connected, so that it may continue to work as an antenna.


bengt

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Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Phones can only transfer its sound to EITHER the handsfree OR the bluetooth headset. When you have both hooked up, the handsfree takes precendence.

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ebengt Member since:
2006-07-04

my k700i can transfer its sound to either handsfree, loudspeaker or bluetooth headset. it allows me to choose between all 3 for phone calls, but only between handsfree and loudspeaker for radio.
i had hoped this was a design oversight on the k700i.

i would find it useful to be able to choose between all the possible sound sources (eg handsfree, loudspeaker and bluetooth headset) for radio too.
are there any phones available that gives me this possiblity? or is it true what Eugenia says, and all phones have the same limitation?


bengt

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Open Source?
by henning on Tue 4th Jul 2006 09:19 UTC
henning
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2006-07-04

Erm, maybe I am just a bit picky, but I come here for new on open source - so, what exactly is open source in this phone???

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RE: Open Source?
by msundman on Tue 4th Jul 2006 09:24 UTC in reply to "Open Source?"
msundman Member since:
2005-07-06

Open source? If you're refering to "OS" in "OS news", then that means "operating system", not "open source".

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RE[2]: Open Source?
by henning on Wed 5th Jul 2006 10:11 UTC in reply to "RE: Open Source?"
henning Member since:
2006-07-04

oops, I didn't ever realize that. The high rate of information on free OS'es ;) made me think of OS as Open Source. But right, I should have realized there's also a lot of info on Windows and Mac.
But also, which doesn't exactly match with "Operating System" a lot on programming(Languages), GUI Toolkits etc. ... whatever, it's a nice point of information anyway...

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another pro
by junior on Tue 4th Jul 2006 11:51 UTC
junior
Member since:
2005-07-07

Another pro (that all SE phones share) is the ability to navigate with the number pad as opposed to the joystick, which speeds up navigation of menu's greatly.

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RE[4]: Agreed
by LB06 on Tue 4th Jul 2006 17:24 UTC
LB06
Member since:
2005-07-06

That's probably because some network operators provide a branded version that has this 'feature' disabled.

edit: Why can't I respond to threads, again!? I just can't believe that the place in the reactions depends on a client side interpretation of some (javascript?) code.

Edited 2006-07-04 17:27

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Actually
by konfoo on Wed 5th Jul 2006 03:33 UTC
konfoo
Member since:
2006-01-02

You can disable the camera shutter sound via custom unlock. Here's one:
http://cellcorner.com/xshp/unlock-phone-codes/remote-unlock-by-cabl...

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