Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Jan 2007 23:00 UTC
Windows Today, 00:00 CET, Vista will be on sale here in The Netherlands; some computer shops will even be open tonight to cater to the early adopters. In all honesty, I do not think we will see Windows 95-like craziness, but still, I think a simple poll is in order. What is the feature in Windows Vista you have been looking forward to the most? Read more to pass your vote.
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A tie
by orestes on Mon 29th Jan 2007 23:03 UTC
orestes
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2005-07-06

Between Transactional NTFS and finally getting symlinks.

Reply Score: 5

RE: A tie
by tacit_one on Tue 30th Jan 2007 15:29 UTC in reply to "A tie"
tacit_one Member since:
2005-12-09

Agree, symlinks are cool.
But the problem is - i still won't use them because of XP,2K backward compatibility ...

Reply Score: 1

Hmm...
by dylansmrjones on Mon 29th Jan 2007 23:07 UTC
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2005-10-02

Mails and Contacts as individual files <-- killer feature(s), if it wasn't for the hardware requirements for Vista.

. o O ( System Wide Search? Why vote for that? It's been around since NT4... )

Reply Score: 2

Nothing really
by bsharitt on Mon 29th Jan 2007 23:26 UTC
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2005-07-07

Just as with 2000 to XP, I'll probably stick with XP until programs start to appear that require Vista.

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RE: Nothing really
by lengau on Mon 29th Jan 2007 23:28 UTC in reply to "Nothing really"
lengau Member since:
2006-03-13

Same here. All the 'new' stuff in Vista is in either Linux (Beryl/Compiz) or MacOS X. I'm not baching Vista, I'm glad that it's finally here, but I personally am not going to get it.

Reply Score: 5

RE[2]: Nothing really
by Anon on Tue 30th Jan 2007 02:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Nothing really"
Anon Member since:
2006-01-02

I'm waiting for KDE4. Other than that, XP will do be fine for the next..... 4 years at least.

Reply Score: 5

RE[3]: Nothing really
by Darkelve on Tue 30th Jan 2007 07:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Nothing really"
Darkelve Member since:
2006-02-06

According to a computer magazine I read: at least up to 2009. Hurray for my wallet. ;)

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: Nothing really
by r3m0t on Mon 5th Feb 2007 20:28 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Nothing really"
r3m0t Member since:
2005-07-25

Why hurray? Vista won't be any cheaper in 2009. There probably won't be the next consumer version of Windows in 2009 - so you won't be able to skip a version.

The best you can hope for is that by 2009 you will want to throw out your computer and get a new one (with Vista preinstalled). It will probably be the same price as today's computer, but better value.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Nothing really
by Hands on Tue 30th Jan 2007 15:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Nothing really"
Hands Member since:
2005-06-30

I'm not looking forward to Vista because I'm planning on buying it for personal use. I'm looking forward to it because it will finally offer a number of features that I have come to expect in other operating systems. So, when I have to use Vista at work or to support someone else, it should be a more pleasant experience. I really do think that Vista brings a lot to the table. And, after Microsoft gets SP1 out the door it should be a nice upgrade from XP.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Nothing really
by butters on Tue 30th Jan 2007 03:40 UTC in reply to "Nothing really"
butters Member since:
2005-07-08

I think the best feature of Vista is that many applications and drivers written for NT/2000/XP/2003 will no longer work. Backwards compatibility stifles innovation and competition while costing users more money in the long run. From a 10,000-foot perspective, it is cheaper to port applications or write cross-platform applications than to hope that your binaries continue to run on new systems. In IT you usually have a choice between paying a lot now or paying way more later.

Reply Score: 5

None
by KenJackson on Mon 29th Jan 2007 23:32 UTC
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2005-07-18

It was wise to not put a category for "None" because it would probably get enough votes to distort the results.

I'm sure in time I'll use Vista. But it can wait because there are still a million things I want to learn and try out and experiment with on GNU/Linux and it's applications, not to mention the other OSes I want to experiment with.

Reply Score: 4

RE: None
by linux-it on Tue 30th Jan 2007 09:41 UTC in reply to "None"
linux-it Member since:
2006-07-13

"It was wise to not put a category for "None" because it would probably get enough votes to distort the results. "

How would that distort the results? To me it seems that lack of such options in fact create a distorted view of it all.....

Reply Score: 3

Other, please specify
by netdur on Mon 29th Jan 2007 23:33 UTC
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2005-07-07

Ubuntu ultimate unlimited extra super cool OS 2008

Reply Score: 2

RE: Other, please specify
by Al2001 on Tue 30th Jan 2007 02:17 UTC in reply to "Other, please specify"
Al2001 Member since:
2005-07-06

Are you saying Windows pwns Ubuntu now? Otherwise how else is it a feature in Vista?

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.NET is bundled
by dimosd on Mon 29th Jan 2007 23:34 UTC
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Not interesting from a user's perspective, but interesting from a developer's perspective.

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RE: .NET is bundled
by bsharitt on Tue 30th Jan 2007 00:26 UTC in reply to ".NET is bundled"
bsharitt Member since:
2005-07-07

Not interesting from a user's perspective, but interesting from a developer's perspective.

This does make programming for Windows much more attractaive.

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RE[2]: .NET is bundled
by kaiwai on Tue 30th Jan 2007 09:21 UTC in reply to "RE: .NET is bundled"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

True, it also should make development alot quicker and better still, the application more 'future proof' in regards to running applications on future Windows operating system.

Its just appauling, however, that Microsoft hasn't pushed the fact to ISV's that if they port their applications to .NET *NOW* it will future proof their applications, possibly, for the next 5-10 years; and that they would no longer have to worry about the win32 ugly bits which cause problems during development.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: .NET is bundled
by Babi Asu on Tue 30th Jan 2007 12:23 UTC in reply to "RE: .NET is bundled"
Babi Asu Member since:
2006-02-11

I did't follow .NET much, I just wonder how good is .NET for Vista, compared to Cocoa for OSX?

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: .NET is bundled
by Constantine XVI on Tue 30th Jan 2007 13:53 UTC in reply to "RE: .NET is bundled"
Constantine XVI Member since:
2006-11-02

Speaking of .NET, can anyone tell me how much of .NET you can use from IronPython? .NET has intrigued me for quite a while, but I'm in love with Python. If I could write full Windows apps with System.Windows.Forms or Avalon in Python, methinks I would be in Windows developer heaven.

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: .NET is bundled
by dimosd on Tue 30th Jan 2007 20:35 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: .NET is bundled"
dimosd Member since:
2006-02-10

Speaking of .NET, can anyone tell me how much of .NET you can use from IronPython?

All of it, I guess, but could be a bit slower than native Python (don't take my word though).

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: .NET is bundled
by Constantine XVI on Tue 30th Jan 2007 22:13 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: .NET is bundled"
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2006-11-02

I've heard and seen that IronPython is actually faster than CPython. It doesnt have all the libraries from python though, opting for .net

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RE: .NET is bundled
by gonzalo on Tue 30th Jan 2007 08:45 UTC in reply to ".NET is bundled"
gonzalo Member since:
2005-07-06

Correct me if I'm wrong but... .Net was bundled already in XP, wasn't it?

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RE[2]: .NET is bundled
by Darkelve on Tue 30th Jan 2007 08:54 UTC in reply to "RE: .NET is bundled"
Darkelve Member since:
2006-02-06

Don't think so. At least, I remember having to download certain .net stuff when installing other applications that made use of it.

Edited 2007-01-30 08:55

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RE[2]: .NET is bundled
by eggs on Tue 30th Jan 2007 14:03 UTC in reply to "RE: .NET is bundled"
eggs Member since:
2006-01-23

I think .NET 1.0 was bundled with SP1 or 2?

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RE[3]: .NET is bundled
by gonzalo on Tue 30th Jan 2007 19:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: .NET is bundled"
gonzalo Member since:
2005-07-06

Mmm... yeah, maybe that's what I was thinking about.

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RE[2]: .NET is bundled
by marpaco on Tue 30th Jan 2007 21:26 UTC in reply to "RE: .NET is bundled"
marpaco Member since:
2006-01-01

No. It was not. The .NET Redistributable was first included in Windows 2003 Server versions

Reply Score: 1

RE: .NET is bundled
by flywheel on Tue 30th Jan 2007 14:47 UTC in reply to ".NET is bundled"
flywheel Member since:
2005-12-28

1# .NET is not bundled with Vista, it is the primary framework - the old Win32 API's is in legacy mode. You're actually running your old legacy applications in a Connectix Virtul Machine.

Reply Score: 2

EyeCandy
by tweakedenigma on Mon 29th Jan 2007 23:42 UTC
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2006-12-27

I find most of the stuff thats been added will be lost on the normal users the only thing most of them will see its that it looks a lot nicer.

Reply Score: 3

My Favourite Feature
by TBone0 on Mon 29th Jan 2007 23:45 UTC
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2006-12-26

DRM

Reply Score: 5

oh, let me pick
by Redeeman on Mon 29th Jan 2007 23:50 UTC
Redeeman
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2006-03-23

hmm, let me see, oh wait, they pulled all the stuff i found interresting ;) i suppose i shall have to wait till ms actually implements the stuff they promised, so that i can try MSos.

Reply Score: 5

This will sound like a joke, but...
by directhex on Mon 29th Jan 2007 23:56 UTC
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2005-11-16

UAC.

No really, the biggest pull towards Vista for me is being able to run as a non-admin user, and being prompted for added rights when needed.

It's about bloody time.

Reply Score: 5

Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Amen to that.

My favorite would have to be the overall experience Vista presents. Compared to the one XP presented, this one is phenomenal.

It allows someone like say my grandmother to find all her data without her having to call me to walk her through it. She just types it in and bam it's there.

It isn't that the search is global, but it's that it's everywhere. In Control Panel, Start Menu, Folders, etc..

It becomes really useful after a while.

Another part that's not directly tied to Vista that I'm interested from a developer's prospective is Power Shell.

Reply Score: 2

Constantine XVI Member since:
2006-11-02

PowerShell can and does run in XP. I would know. They do need to give it a GUI more resembling gnome-terminal or konsole though

Reply Score: 1

dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Eeh... that already happens with Win2K Pro, WinXP and Win2K3 Server if you are running as a Restricted User (in XP: Limited User).

People just run as Administrator as standard in XP, but the functionality in UAC is already existing to some extent.

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StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Eeh... that already happens with Win2K Pro, WinXP and Win2K3 Server if you are running as a Restricted User (in XP: Limited User).

Most of the time it doesn't - if you're logged is a non-admin and you try to access something that requires admin access, you get "Permission Denied" or "You do not have sufficient privileges to view or modify this control." E.g., login as a normal user in XP or 2k and try to make changes to your network settings.

I can only remember two particular times when XP/2k would automagically give you a "Enter your credentials to perform this action"-esque dialogue: when you try to run *some* of the control panel applets as non-Admin (but not most of them IIRC), or if you start a new software installation. Although, the latter seems to be pretty braindead - I believe it just pops up a "Hey, wanna run as another user?" box whenever a setup.exe or install.exe file is launched.

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dukeinlondon Member since:
2005-07-06

I would add to that Windows update doesn't work at all when non admin. so if you never log as an admin you don't know that you are missing updates.

Reply Score: 2

FunkyELF Member since:
2006-07-26

[i]I can only remember two particular times when XP/2k would automagically give you a "Enter your credentials to perform this action"-esque dialogue</ i>

So that proves that it can be done on XP, they just won't do it. Just like DirectX 10.

Reply Score: 1

breadcrum bar...
by hobgoblin on Tue 30th Jan 2007 00:00 UTC
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2005-07-06

that is if its still in there...

Reply Score: 3

Photo Gallery + Calendar
by sieb on Tue 30th Jan 2007 00:00 UTC
sieb
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2005-07-06

I like the new photo gallery, quick and nimble even with thousands of pics loaded. More than I can say for iPhoto, but not as feature rich as either iPhoto or Picasa. Its nice to have a usable calendar too without the need for Outlook.

Reply Score: 1

Fave Feature.....
by Phloptical on Tue 30th Jan 2007 00:02 UTC
Phloptical
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2006-10-10

The Shut Down button.

Reply Score: 5

RE: Fave Feature.....
by rjpotts on Tue 30th Jan 2007 02:41 UTC in reply to "Fave Feature....."
rjpotts Member since:
2005-07-06

Agreed!

Reply Score: 2

RE: Fave Feature.....
by viton on Tue 30th Jan 2007 10:12 UTC in reply to "Fave Feature....."
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

> The Shut Down button.
I'd like to have the Shut Up button ;)

Reply Score: 1

RE: Fave Feature.....
by rhyder on Tue 30th Jan 2007 10:14 UTC in reply to "Fave Feature....."
rhyder Member since:
2005-09-28

Does this new version of Windows still feature "deltree c:/windows" functionality? That was always a killer feature for me in the past.

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RE[2]: Fave Feature.....
by Phloptical on Tue 30th Jan 2007 23:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Fave Feature....."
Phloptical Member since:
2006-10-10

Especially when Radio Shack used to sell PCs. You'd walk in there and do something like format c: or fdisk and walk away knowing that the morons in there would be stumped as to why they couldn't get it to boot.

The good old days.

Reply Score: 1

Not too bad
by edogawaconan on Tue 30th Jan 2007 00:10 UTC
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2006-10-10

Let's say it is the kernel/core changes, aero, and directx 10

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Hard to choose
by Joe User on Tue 30th Jan 2007 00:23 UTC
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2005-06-29

I like all these enhancements. I voted for Aero. I love this OS. It's my default desktop now.

Reply Score: 2

which edition/version?
by celt on Tue 30th Jan 2007 00:28 UTC
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2005-07-06

My favorite would be whichever version has that nifty "format c:" command.

Probably need the "Ultimate" or "super-duper" version for $399.00 to get that.

Worth it to me though, I'll bend over for any price Microsoft asks me to pay.

Reply Score: 2

RE: which edition/version?
by Jules on Tue 30th Jan 2007 00:34 UTC in reply to "which edition/version?"
Jules Member since:
2007-01-30

You know that for about $500,- you can have a new Mac running OS X, don't you?

Reply Score: 3

RE[2]: which edition/version?
by Darkelve on Tue 30th Jan 2007 08:26 UTC in reply to "RE: which edition/version?"
Darkelve Member since:
2006-02-06

Eh? Tell me where that shop is, the cheapest Mac I could find would be the Mac mini, *starting* at $599. I'd get 1GB of Ram with that too, so that makes $674.00. And if you want the 1,83Ghz Core due with superdrive (DVD writer instead of DVDRom/RW) with 1GB of ram, it's $874.00.

Which isn't bad, but not quite $500.

If I was Apple, I'd drop the price of a Mac Mini to the exact price of Windows Vista Ultimate, if only to taunt Steve Ballmer. Oops, that's my evil side coming out again ;)

Edited 2007-01-30 08:27

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: which edition/version?
by Phloptical on Tue 30th Jan 2007 23:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: which edition/version?"
Phloptical Member since:
2006-10-10

Really! Now that's an idea....a $399 mini just to spit in the face of MS. Not sure Apple would profit from that, but, hey....they can consider it their money-losing console equivalent.

Sometimes you have to spend money to make money....

I would say, however, that at this precent time, $399 can net you a decent PPC mac, or maybe a used, and stripped, core-solo macintel from ebay.

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: which edition/version?
by r3m0t on Mon 5th Feb 2007 20:34 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: which edition/version?"
r3m0t Member since:
2005-07-25

More realistically, they would have to price it at the upgrade version to sound credible - that's $259. Heading into very serious and (to Apple) damaging "low build quality" territory there.

At $399 it could still be a nice gimmick (although still at a rather low build quality, probably)

Reply Score: 1

What really excites me ...
by MacTO on Tue 30th Jan 2007 00:52 UTC
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2006-09-21

... is that I see nothing to be excited about. Which helps me keep down my cost of living, which means that I work less, which means that I have time to do some of the important things in life. Like help out kids who were born into families that cannot even afford computers.

Reply Score: 3

uh
by deanlinkous on Tue 30th Jan 2007 00:57 UTC
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2006-06-19

format c:

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galvanash
Member since:
2006-01-25

PVP-OPM, aka Protected Video Path - Output Protection Management. That is DEFINITELY the killer feature for me, cause it is the one that kills any chance of me ever buying the damn thing...

- Yet Another Jaded Microsoft Customer

Edited 2007-01-30 01:10

Reply Score: 5

superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

yes, isn't it amazing? it looks like half the new features from vista are mostly about limiting the users...

'you can't run unsigned drivers'
'yeah, we can degrade the quality of videoplayback!'
'drm throughout the system, isn't it great?'
'better ways to check if you have legitimate software'

damn, Microsoft is making it easier and easier to get ppl to use FOSS, which DOES respect it's users... so yes, it's my favorite too...

Reply Score: 5

RE: Your Favorite Windows Vista Feature
by protagonist on Tue 30th Jan 2007 01:14 UTC
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2005-07-06

My favorite feature is that I don't have to buy it. :-)

Reply Score: 5

WDDM
by mmebane on Tue 30th Jan 2007 01:15 UTC
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2005-07-06

Good context switching in 3D cards is what it's all about.

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RE: WDDM
by Alex Forster on Tue 30th Jan 2007 15:24 UTC in reply to "WDDM"
Alex Forster Member since:
2005-08-12

Absolutely. I generalized this into a vote for DirectX 10.

Reply Score: 1

I specified other
by gregk on Tue 30th Jan 2007 01:16 UTC
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2006-03-13

My favorite feature is the innovative ERFM interface. I hear it is way better than Aero. I think it is awesome that Microsoft goes so far out of its way to innovate in every corner of the OS. I can't wait to try it out.

Reply Score: 1

Sad
by ronaldst on Tue 30th Jan 2007 01:50 UTC
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2005-06-29

A lot of bitter people in here. Cheer up. One day your favourite OS might be considered ok. Just back off the unfounded hate and fundamentalist approach. Spend time being productive instead of being destructive.

I voted for DX10 (and Vista gaming features).

Reply Score: 2

The new audio features
by valnar on Tue 30th Jan 2007 01:51 UTC
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2006-01-17

XP was good, but Vista will blow that out of the water for HTPC use. Linux is a very distant fourth (dunno what is third, but Linux really sucks for home theater use). Sorry Linux fanboys, but other than DRM, Microsoft is giving us HTPC users something no one else has.

Look here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=713073

Reply Score: 2

RE: The new audio features
by abraxas on Tue 30th Jan 2007 14:12 UTC in reply to "The new audio features"
abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

XP was good, but Vista will blow that out of the water for HTPC use. Linux is a very distant fourth (dunno what is third, but Linux really sucks for home theater use). Sorry Linux fanboys, but other than DRM, Microsoft is giving us HTPC users something no one else has.

What exactly are you talking about? DRC? Linux has that and has had it longer than MS. If you could be more specific as to what MS has that Linux doesn't maybe we could agree but I doubt it. Linux is excellent for HTPC. There are some issues (mostly driver related) but overall Linux makes a great HTPC platform and even has features that MS doesn't have.

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RE[2]: The new audio features
by valnar on Tue 30th Jan 2007 14:16 UTC in reply to "RE: The new audio features"
valnar Member since:
2006-01-17

Read the link I posted.

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RE[3]: The new audio features
by abraxas on Tue 30th Jan 2007 20:37 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: The new audio features"
abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

Read the link I posted.

I did. What specifically does Linux not have? I ask this because the article is about signal processing which Linux is perfectly capable of and there are actually a lot of tools and plugins out there for Linux.

http://www.ladspa.org/
http://linux-sound.org/dsp.html

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RE: The new audio features
by Jimbo on Tue 30th Jan 2007 16:55 UTC in reply to "The new audio features"
Jimbo Member since:
2005-07-22

Vista blows Linux out of the water for HTPC use? You've got to be kidding.... did you know that most versions of Windows Vista won't even support DVD playback? I tried to play a DVD on my Vista Enterprise box and it took me to a web page to either purchase Vista Ultimate or pay $50 for third party DVD playback software.

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RE[2]: The new audio features
by valnar on Tue 30th Jan 2007 18:15 UTC in reply to "RE: The new audio features"
valnar Member since:
2006-01-17

Yes, Windows XP/Vista doesn't have an MPEG2 codec installed, but neither do most Linux's.

If you truly understood the benefits of Windows and HTPC use (VMR9, Zoomplayer or Theatertek, AC3 filter, etc) you would know what I mean.

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: The new audio features
by r3m0t on Mon 5th Feb 2007 20:37 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: The new audio features"
r3m0t Member since:
2005-07-25

I think it's the de-scrambling code, not the MPEG2 codec. I'm not sure, though.

Vista Home Basic, Business and Enterprise lack DVD playback.

Home Premium and Ultimate have it.

I suspect most OEMs selling Home Basic, and some selling Business, will bundle in DVD playback.

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None - but here is my dream OS
by CrazyDude0 on Tue 30th Jan 2007 02:05 UTC
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2005-07-10

None should have been an option:)

I am not looking forward to Vista or any other OS on this planet. The OS i am looking forward to doesn't exist sadly.

Here is what i want in my OS, obviously it is a mix of what i like in each OS:

1. An OS with smaller footprint with modular components so new features can be installed/enabled on the fly. (Damn Small Linux like approach is good).
2. An awesome development platform which provides Windows DDK and MSDN like documentation, well defined driver and application model etc. Easy to setup kernel debugging with all the build tools included.
3. Aero or OSX like GUI. Sorry no GNOME or KDE, they look way too unpolished for my taste.
4. Linux's way of having uniform name space for devices and files. NameSys has a clue on where we can eventually reach. Windows' namespace sucks. Linux is way better but not perfect like processes can't be seen using ls etc.
5. Uniform application installation and identification model with each application residing in its own directory. No more application's stuff scattered all over your hard-disk. You want to move one application to another machine, simply cut and paste your directory there.
6. Fixed and logical user wide settings structure. For example users settings for each application go into /user/xxx/etc/vim etc and global user preferences go into /user/xxx/global etc.
7. And a command line way to do most of the things. If i can configure something using GUI then it should be configurable using command line. This helps a lot in automation.

Now if that happens, i believe that OS will be truly enjoyable and easily manageable.

Edited 2007-01-30 02:09

Reply Score: 5

umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

Here is what i want in my OS, obviously it is a mix of what i like in each OS:

I was with you up to #3... then things started to fall apart a bit.

Some of the items on your list seem to conflict with #1... unless you just count them as "modules" ;) and at that point, they're not part of the OS per-se.

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CrazyDude0 Member since:
2005-07-10

I read what i wrote again and to me it seems consistent.

Also with smaller footprint, i was thinking of RAM not hard disk space. I hope you were also thinking of RAM and not hard disk space because really hard disks are way cheaper.

On your Not OS per-se comment, OS to me is a complete set of services to use a computer including applications like Word, IE etc and not just the kernel. Is it different for you?

Edited 2007-01-30 02:57

Reply Score: 1

RE: None - but here is my dream OS
by agrouf on Tue 30th Jan 2007 12:39 UTC in reply to "None - but here is my dream OS"
agrouf Member since:
2006-11-17

#1 - try any Open Source system out there. They are all modular.
#2 - go there http://tldp.org/ - better than msdn.
#3 - install AIGLX/XGL with KDE (you should be able to do that with Gnome and XFCE as well) and tune it to look like OSX or Aero and you have what you want.
#4 - Try ls /proc under linux.
#5 - Try GoboLinux

Reply Score: 1

agrouf Member since:
2006-11-17

#6 - Try GConf.
#7 - Just use apps that have command line access.

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RE: None - but here is my dream OS
by re_re on Tue 30th Jan 2007 14:19 UTC in reply to "None - but here is my dream OS"
re_re Member since:
2005-07-06

Sounds like with the exception of the footprint OSX pretty much fits your description.

As far as the applications being fully contained in 1 folder, well, that is the case with most programs in osx but not all, but it's easy to find the other components if necessary. They are not scattered all over the system.

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RE: None - but here is my dream OS
by drfelip on Tue 30th Jan 2007 14:49 UTC in reply to "None - but here is my dream OS"
drfelip Member since:
2005-07-06

Humm... Could that be a good topic for a new poll?

Reply Score: 1

clippy
by karolus on Tue 30th Jan 2007 02:06 UTC
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2006-06-13

clippy ? .. Search doggie ? ;)

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RE: clippy
by miscz on Tue 30th Jan 2007 02:27 UTC in reply to "clippy"
miscz Member since:
2005-07-17

Aaah, makes me remember a bug in polish version of Windows XP where option to turn off the doggie is misspelled and is using a strange mashup of "animated" and "anonymous" (think anonimateous?) ;) They haven't fixed it in XP for so many years, makes me wonder if it will be in Vista.

Reply Score: 4

RE[2]: clippy
by CPUGuy on Tue 30th Jan 2007 04:08 UTC in reply to "RE: clippy"
CPUGuy Member since:
2005-07-06

Perhaps, but there is no more dog (thank God!)

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0 disk space
by Alwin on Tue 30th Jan 2007 02:17 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-17

My favorite feature is that nobody (that I know of) is legaly, physically or otherwise forced to install it. And therefore it will take 0 disk space, CPU or human time here, leaving these resources free for software that is more fun to use. ;-)

Which makes Vista pretty good in my book (as far as MS-supplied OS'es go).

I'm happy knowing that I won't be putting any money in Microsoft's pocket, can do everything I need using Free software, and won't be bothered by many of the headaches that Windows users are facing. For daily work I switched to Linux some time ago, and there's no looking back. I still use Windows occasionally for gaming, that is: the few games I play, are known to work under Linux, I just haven't (yet) taken the time to install/run them there. Perhaps I'll move on to other OS'es in the future (FreeBSD?), but Windows is becoming a no-go area for me. I can only hope that more people will follow.

Reply Score: 5

sigzero
Member since:
2006-01-03

That would be my posting.

Reply Score: 1

Already used Vista
by s_parlane on Tue 30th Jan 2007 02:45 UTC
s_parlane
Member since:
2007-01-30

I have already used vista (at work, i wont be buying a vista machine, i work at the first company in the world to have it for sale in a store) must stay the search is far superior to previous versions.
UAC is pretty nice (its not really that anonying and if your doing admin tasks its not exactly a suprize)
as for Audio, its horrible, the first time any machine is turned on when it plays the windows sound it actually lags (this includes the most expensive machines we stock)
and yes 1 vista machine died (some form of hardware power failure) and all the machines automatically installed 20.1mb of upgrades as soon as they were connected to the internet (its weird, to do updates manually you need UAC but if they are automatic you dont get UAC'd you just get the notification message)

Reply Score: 1

RE: Already used Vista
by StephenBeDoper on Tue 30th Jan 2007 09:54 UTC in reply to "Already used Vista"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

"UAC'd," I like that.

How to pronounce it, though?

Reply Score: 3

RE[2]: Already used Vista
by Constantine XVI on Tue 30th Jan 2007 14:01 UTC in reply to "RE: Already used Vista"
Constantine XVI Member since:
2006-11-02

ee-y-ack-ed
Good enough?

Reply Score: 1

DRM?
by postmodern on Tue 30th Jan 2007 02:46 UTC
postmodern
Member since:
2006-01-27

What, no DRM listed?

Reply Score: 2

More choices
by heh heh on Tue 30th Jan 2007 02:59 UTC
heh heh
Member since:
2005-07-06

Uummm...
I might be going back to
linux after all, if xp is no
longer viable. No way
am i going to change my
computer to run
"BLOATA"

Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)

Reply Score: 1

More choices
by heh heh on Tue 30th Jan 2007 03:00 UTC
heh heh
Member since:
2005-07-06

Uummm...
I might be going back to
linux after all, if xp is no
longer viable. No way
am i going to change my
computer to run
"BLOATA"

Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)

Reply Score: 1

FreeBSD does it better.
by rhavenn on Tue 30th Jan 2007 03:28 UTC
rhavenn
Member since:
2006-05-12

For what I need it to do FreeBSD is far superior, faster and lets me get my work and play done without hassle.

As for Vista, the DVD still makes a nice coaster, albeit an expensive one.

Reply Score: 1

jayson.knight
Member since:
2005-07-06

Falls under "Other", which would be IIS 7.0 hands down.

Reply Score: 2

Got Mine Via UPS earlier today...
by sn0n on Tue 30th Jan 2007 04:12 UTC
sn0n
Member since:
2005-08-09
eduardp Member since:
2006-09-01

Sorry, it is an easy take, but...

Wouldn't you be happier if you spent your money in a flat screen to save space in your office?

Reply Score: 2

uh
by deanlinkous on Tue 30th Jan 2007 04:34 UTC
deanlinkous
Member since:
2006-06-19

fav feature....

refund of the 'windows tax' since I wont agree to use it...

continued compatability with virii and *ware making sure that I can sustain a business by doing nothing but removing the crap that gets installed....

Reply Score: 2

aero looks really neat
by brother bloat on Tue 30th Jan 2007 04:35 UTC
brother bloat
Member since:
2005-07-06

much as i will attempt to resist the siren's call of the beautiful-looking aero interface, it looks really neat. i know that most of the functionality/eye candy is available elsewhere, for free (and with fewer hardware needs). i, however, am a sucker for eye candy and shiny new ways to interact with my desktop.

the other features -- improved search, DX10, etc. -- all sound great, too. i've heard that vista is finally free of the residual windows 3.1 code that's been hanging around seemingly forever.

Reply Score: 1

Favorite feature?
by Arne J. on Tue 30th Jan 2007 04:40 UTC
Arne J.
Member since:
2006-12-09

After what they did to BlueJ? Maybe the ability to, exerting enough force, ram the Ultimate OEM recovery cd up Steve Balmer's arse? Sideways. He won't recover or boot up again, that's for sure.
(ps: This is my good mood).

Edited 2007-01-30 04:46

Reply Score: 3

I look forward to...
by zima on Tue 30th Jan 2007 05:44 UTC
zima
Member since:
2005-07-06

...nothing, I guess? Really, I don't even have the timeline dealing with "when to upgrade from win2k3"

However, using usb flashdisks to speed up loading seems nicest of all features... (but anyway...my Vista would loose more speed due to "old" hardware I have here than gain due to this feature; and my system/apps are pretty much always on...)

Reply Score: 1

fav. wanted feature ?
by mmu_man on Tue 30th Jan 2007 06:16 UTC
mmu_man
Member since:
2006-09-30

The feature of not screwing up the MBR on install to purposely harm other OSes so I can just ignore that DRM-bloated thing altogether when developping.

Reply Score: 2

RE: fav. wanted feature ?
by r3m0t on Mon 5th Feb 2007 20:42 UTC in reply to "fav. wanted feature ?"
r3m0t Member since:
2005-07-25

Are you serious? Without overwriting the MBR, Vista has no way of knowing whether it will boot up. Do you expect them to support 5 (or maybe more) filesystems and edit /boot/grub/menu.lst ? Maybe they should just include the Linux kernel so that it can alter /boot/grub/menu.lst ? That obviously isn't practical.

It isn't purposely harming other OSes. It's just doing what you asked it to when you entered your license key - making Vista usable on your computer.

Reply Score: 1

fdisk /mbr
by Darkelve on Tue 30th Jan 2007 07:45 UTC
Darkelve
Member since:
2006-02-06

I hope it's still in...

Reply Score: 1

umm
by Mellin on Tue 30th Jan 2007 08:15 UTC
Mellin
Member since:
2005-07-06

none at all (don't need vista and never will)

Reply Score: 1

Rehdon
Member since:
2005-07-06

'nuff said ;)

rehdon

Reply Score: 4

Anytime Update
by gonzalo on Tue 30th Jan 2007 08:54 UTC
gonzalo
Member since:
2005-07-06

I was just reading on Ars about the Anytime Update feature and patent request. That's just got to be it. The key step to convert the product into a service. Licencing "modules" of the system when/if you need them.


Anyway... For me Vista does have some nice features I just don't see any compelling reason to upgrade. (Nice feature != compelling reason)

The only thing might be DX10... but that will only be compelling when games actually stop running on DX9 (and OpenGL).

Reply Score: 1

Instant Search
by REM2000 on Tue 30th Jan 2007 09:30 UTC
REM2000
Member since:
2006-07-25

I have got so used to Spotlight in Mac OSX for finding files and starting applications, that it's a real pain to use XP (The desktop search engines are too slow and clunky on XP).

The instant search works well in vista and is the only feature makes me use vista.

Reply Score: 1

Least favorite
by vasper on Tue 30th Jan 2007 10:18 UTC
vasper
Member since:
2005-07-22

I can tell you which is my least favorite feature.... Its price!!! 540Euros for Vista Ultimate in Europe is 80% over the US price. Plain and simple robbery. I'll stick to my Suse Linux 10.1 Pro (89Euro with support and A MANUAL) thank you very much.

Reply Score: 3

Poll
by BlackTiger on Tue 30th Jan 2007 11:00 UTC
BlackTiger
Member since:
2005-07-22

I think "Other, please specify" means "Nothing"... Am I right?

Reply Score: 1

Hmmm
by flywheel on Tue 30th Jan 2007 11:19 UTC
flywheel
Member since:
2005-12-28

The .NET3/WinFX framework replacing the Win32-stuff and boxing the Win32 stuff in (Legacy mode), using a Connectix VM.

This removes many low-leven and inherited vulnerabilities. And might open up for some more Mono development.

Reply Score: 1

Vista is too much a hype
by ambuj123 on Tue 30th Jan 2007 11:54 UTC
ambuj123
Member since:
2007-01-25

I dont feel vista has anything radical that would force me change my Fedora or Ubuntu Box into a windows vista drone. Further Compiz/Beryl on Fedora is just too beautiful which prevents me from switching to that MS OS.
The specs are way too high for normal PC usser.
Further the headaches of Virus,Spywares and whoknows what else on Windows System is just a big preventing factor.

Ambuj varshney(http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com)

Reply Score: 2

searching
by Mellin on Tue 30th Jan 2007 12:17 UTC
Mellin
Member since:
2005-07-06

haven't found anything

Reply Score: 1

Favorite Vista Feature?
by Excessive on Tue 30th Jan 2007 12:20 UTC
Excessive
Member since:
2006-10-19

BSOD. Thanks to Linux BSOD screensaver, I don't miss it anyway.

Reply Score: 5

Audio
by peejay on Tue 30th Jan 2007 12:27 UTC
peejay
Member since:
2005-06-29

I've used Vista since beta 1, and my vote goes to the independent volume control slider for each running program. Especially since it saves the adjusted volume setting for each program after it's closed for the next time you run it, also.

Reply Score: 1

Other:
by m1cro on Tue 30th Jan 2007 12:43 UTC
m1cro
Member since:
2006-12-22

.NET 3.0: The new parts of it (WPF/WCF/etc) as well as the fact that it's bundled with Vista. This is great for developers.

Reply Score: 1

WinFS
by netpython on Tue 30th Jan 2007 12:54 UTC
netpython
Member since:
2005-07-06

Oh i see i'll have to wait another 5 years.

Reply Score: 2

None!
by axilmar on Tue 30th Jan 2007 13:31 UTC
axilmar
Member since:
2006-03-20

As many have said, 'none'.

There is no single Vista feature that will make me hurry to install it.

I will only install it if there is a killer must-have game like DNF for it.

Reply Score: 2

Solitaire
by ValiantSoul on Tue 30th Jan 2007 14:44 UTC
ValiantSoul
Member since:
2005-07-20

I'm an OS X and FreeBSD user, so I would vote the new solitaire. I prefer the older minesweeper though...

Reply Score: 1

fretinator
Member since:
2005-07-06

Seriously, there is only one new feature that matters - how well does logging into a Vista box as a low-privileged user work?

All over the world people have been logging into their Windows boxes as "God", and thus viruses have free reign to cost the world Billions. This is supposed to no longer be necessary in Vista, and people should be able to do like they do on Unix-like platforms, logging in as low-privileged users. This is also the norm on Macs.

The question is - will people be successful staying as low-privileged users, or will the go back to being "god"? Untold billions of dollars await the answer to that question.

Reply Score: 2

My Favorite Features
by Don T. Bothers on Tue 30th Jan 2007 14:57 UTC
Don T. Bothers
Member since:
2006-03-15

For me, it is a tie between the following:
1) DRM: Just love the fact that Microsoft now controls my computer. I'm sure that only good things can come out of them having ultimate control of all the computers.
2) Phone-Home-Features: What good is a computer that does not do things behind your back without your knowledge.
3) Activation: Because only pirates reinstall operating systems. Because everyone should feel blessed to give out all their private information to such a nice company like Microsoft.
4) Upgrade: Now you can have the pleasure of reinstalling Windows XP everytime you need to reinstall Vista.

Reply Score: 5

Other
by Zero_the_Hero on Tue 30th Jan 2007 15:23 UTC
Zero_the_Hero
Member since:
2007-01-30

My favorite Vista feature is that it will NEVER be installed on any of my machines other than perhaps in a VM so that I can do support work. I am quite happy with Linux (Various Distros) for any machine that I build and if I were to buy a pre-assembled machine, or another laptop I would buy a Mac.

Reply Score: 1

walterbyrd
Member since:
2005-12-31

That combined with the fact that it's such a worthless upgrade to begin with.

Hopefully, msft will lose a little marketshare.

Reply Score: 3

None of the above
by jo42 on Tue 30th Jan 2007 16:14 UTC
jo42
Member since:
2006-02-20

There is no "None of the above" option.

Reply Score: 1

My favorite feature is it's price...
by BSDrama on Tue 30th Jan 2007 16:17 UTC
BSDrama
Member since:
2006-11-27

400 USD for the "ultimate" edition.

With that money, I can build a brand new computer and install FreeBSD or Linux on it. Great feature for us living on non-rich countries. ;)

Edit: Not to mention that it is 540 euros on the EU...that's my salary for TWO MONTHS. Thanks but no thanks Microsoft!

Edited 2007-01-30 16:31

Reply Score: 3

My favourite feature
by ronaldst on Tue 30th Jan 2007 16:42 UTC
ronaldst
Member since:
2005-06-29

Not buying into a religion like the GNU/people do. ;)

Reply Score: 0

Most Entertaining Feature
by Sphinx on Tue 30th Jan 2007 17:45 UTC
Sphinx
Member since:
2005-07-09

I have to go with the copy protection scheme.

Reply Score: 3

The EULA
by chartster on Tue 30th Jan 2007 22:46 UTC
chartster
Member since:
2006-12-18

Upon agreeing to the EULA, discovering that my life is now property of Microsoft, and any future progeny.

...Oh yes, the backdoors so the CIA or whatever can view my emails or the score in the cricket from my computer.

Reply Score: 2

scoring annoyances
by garfield on Wed 31st Jan 2007 12:46 UTC
garfield
Member since:
2006-01-15

I'm a bit disappointed that all the anti-vista comments are getting high scores, and the comments that are in any way favourable to vista are getting lower scores. Where's impartiality around here? Open-mindedness?

Reply Score: 1

RE: scoring annoyances
by sappyvcv on Wed 31st Jan 2007 19:20 UTC in reply to "scoring annoyances"
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Open-source-mindedness.

Close enough.

Reply Score: 2

UAC and WPF
by cchance on Wed 31st Jan 2007 20:03 UTC
cchance
Member since:
2006-02-24

WPF and UAC all the way baby

Reply Score: 1

ugh
by cchance on Wed 31st Jan 2007 20:06 UTC
cchance
Member since:
2006-02-24

"...Oh yes, the backdoors so the CIA or whatever can view my emails or the score in the cricket from my computer."

its amazing microsoft gets the CIA/NSA to assist with security on the new OS and somehow people find this to be bad, theres no frigging backdoors the NSA helped microsoft with security algorithms and concepts

Reply Score: 1