Linked by Kroc Camen on Thu 18th Dec 2008 14:10 UTC, submitted by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier
SuSE, openSUSE The openSUSE Project is proud to announce the release of openSUSE 11.1. The openSUSE 11.1 release includes more than 230 new features, improvements to YaST, major updates to GNOME, KDE, OpenOffice.org, and more freedom with a brand new license, Liberation fonts, and openJDK. This is also the first release built entirely in the openSUSE Build Service. Get it today!
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Thumbs up!
by magick on Thu 18th Dec 2008 14:35 UTC
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2005-08-29

Certainly one of the best OpenSuse editions ever!

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downloading now
by Adurbe on Thu 18th Dec 2008 15:30 UTC
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2005-07-06

I'll then have to decide if I'm going to stick with gnome or switch to KDE....

ok, we both know ill try both :-)

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RE: downloading now
by Feanor on Thu 18th Dec 2008 15:39 UTC in reply to "downloading now"
Feanor Member since:
2006-12-21

Me too! I hope its better than 11.0 and up to par with 10.3. I'll probably install KDE and GNOME, haven't tried the shiny new KDE 4 yet.

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RE[2]: downloading now
by SlackerJack on Thu 18th Dec 2008 19:56 UTC in reply to "RE: downloading now"
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

Personally I think it's the worst job of KDE they have made, they dont even use alot of the KDE4.1.x defaults which KDE devs have made for you to see.

Aya default, it's ok but it's mostly gray, No plasma icon for ZUI by default(reverted to Folder view desktop), crystal icons in the kickoff menu(Hello, Oxygen for KDE4)

To me it's a mess, Fedora 10 is actually a more polished experience, they use KDE4.1 defaults, packagekit is nice Qt4 and nice oxygen icons for showing updates and such. IMHO this is not the best release for Opensuse from a KDE point of view which is sad saying they are a more KDE centric distro.

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RE[3]: downloading now
by sakeniwefu on Thu 18th Dec 2008 20:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: downloading now"
sakeniwefu Member since:
2008-02-26

It isn't easy to make KDE4 look good. At this point, the "stable" 4.1 version still lacks a lot of features that we take for granted in a Desktop and it crashes a lot under stress. OpenSUSE developers probably decided to use the less problematic features and hide everything else.

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RE[4]: bullshit
by Ulenrich on Thu 18th Dec 2008 22:36 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: downloading now"
Ulenrich Member since:
2007-04-26

Good Look ... bullshit. My openSUSE11.1 KDE4.1.3 works with some handy backported fetures from coming up KDE4.2 !!!

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RE[4]: downloading now
by sakeniwefu on Thu 18th Dec 2008 22:37 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: downloading now"
sakeniwefu Member since:
2008-02-26

Oh, shit. This is why I don't post here anymore. Dumbass fanboys come and mod me down because I describe the thing that gives them a hard-on too accurately, and they realize it actually is fugly. After all, KDE4 works so well in their hallucinations. Why do I have to spoil their deviant fun?

Listen, if you don't want to hear that 4.1 is alpha quality, hide your head under your pillow, because that's the truth. By the way, if your head is a KDE panel, you will have to wait until 4.2. Your eyes will stay floating in the air in an ugly black square for a while, though.

Hey, don't look at me like that, your face is all pixelated like a rotated KDE widget.
I sense a smell... Oxygen? Ozone?... No... More like SO2.

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RE[5]: downloading now
by poundsmack on Thu 18th Dec 2008 23:05 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: downloading now"
poundsmack Member since:
2005-07-13

sounds like someone needs a hug, awwww poor baby must be cranky, must have tucked himself out after his little temper tantrum, shhhh night night time.

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RE[5]: downloading now
by pixel8r on Fri 19th Dec 2008 04:28 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: downloading now"
pixel8r Member since:
2007-08-11

Oh, shit. This is why I don't post here anymore.


Actually - you just did.

Dumbass fanboys come and mod me down because I describe the thing that gives them a hard-on too accurately, and they realize it actually is fugly. After all, KDE4 works so well in their hallucinations. Why do I have to spoil their deviant fun?


Why do people argue with moderation? The fact is, people mod you down if they dont agree with you. So if you're still whining about that, just accept that your view is a minority amongst those who read it.
People are allowed to disagree with you. Live with it.

Listen, if you don't want to hear that 4.1 is alpha quality, hide your head under your pillow, because that's the truth. By the way, if your head is a KDE panel, you will have to wait until 4.2. Your eyes will stay floating in the air in an ugly black square for a while, though.


If you actually TRIED opensuse 11.1 you would realise that hiding the taskbar is a feature that has been backported form KDE 4.2 by openSUSE.

KDE 4.2 is a LOT better than 4.1.3 IMO and for me it has been 99% stable enough to use daily.

I'll still upgrade to openSUSE 11.1 - mainly for the underlying infrastructure and yes, YAST. It works for me ;)

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RE[5]: downloading now
by segedunum on Fri 19th Dec 2008 22:53 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: downloading now"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Listen, if you don't want to hear that 4.1 is alpha quality, hide your head under your pillow, because that's the truth.

How do you define alpha quality exactly, because open source software has always stabilised and acquired new features that attracted users at varying rates?

Meanwhile, I just installed KDE 3.5 within OpenSuse until I could see that a KDE 4.x did everything I wanted and had the right number of applications ported and refused to get into arguments with idiots who were trying to make it sound as if that situation would never be reached. That's what you're doing.

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RE[3]: downloading now
by h3rman on Fri 19th Dec 2008 09:54 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: downloading now"
h3rman Member since:
2006-08-09

IMHO this is not the best release for Opensuse from a KDE point of view which is sad saying they are a more KDE centric distro.


That used to be the case, but are they still?

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RE[3]: downloading now
by KAMiKAZOW on Sat 20th Dec 2008 11:22 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: downloading now"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

Personally I think it's the worst job of KDE they have made, they dont even use alot of the KDE4.1.x defaults which KDE devs have made for you to see.

So? That's what a distribution is for: Change the defaults to its audience. There is no setting that fits everybody.

Aya default, it's ok but it's mostly gray,

Yes, and it fits SUSE's overall color scheme aka "corporate design".

No plasma icon for ZUI by default(reverted to Folder view desktop),

So? The openSUSE KDE Team thinks that turning it off by default is the best for its users. It's not as if it's forbidden to change it.

crystal icons in the kickoff menu(Hello, Oxygen for KDE4)

I don't know what you are talking about. I use 11.0 on my desktop PC since its release and 11.1 on my notebook since Beta 5 (due the Atheros drivers). I don't see any Crystal icons. Both installs were fresh -- not upgrades.

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RE: downloading now
by Darkelve on Fri 19th Dec 2008 10:27 UTC in reply to "downloading now"
Darkelve Member since:
2006-02-06

Just don't install them together... I had some weird things happening when I installed KDE4 and KDE4... KDE3 icons which showed up in KDE4.

And when I installed KDE&Gnome, when logging in to KDE, Firefox did not have the KDE theme but the Gnom-ish Tango theme.

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RE[2]: downloading now
by Darkelve on Fri 19th Dec 2008 20:40 UTC in reply to "RE: downloading now"
Darkelve Member since:
2006-02-06

Woops... seems like ethe Tango theme is a 'unified' theme so that is correct... the other one was kind of an oddity though... maybe because I messed around with KDE upgrades beforehand.

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What was wrong with 11?
by NotInterested on Thu 18th Dec 2008 15:51 UTC
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2008-01-02

I keep reading about how good 10.3 was and that 11 wasn't up to par. What are you people referring to? I have 10.3 on my desktop since its release and I have 11 on all my other machines.

11 has been the best SuSE for me all around(I use suse for about 6 years). 10.3 had a lot of rough corners that took a lot of updating to polish.Also the software package manager is still the slowest I 've ever come across. On the other hand OpenSuSE 11 has the best Yast and blazing fast package manager ever! And seemed very polished to me. :|

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RE: What was wrong with 11?
by Darkelve on Fri 19th Dec 2008 10:32 UTC in reply to "What was wrong with 11?"
Darkelve Member since:
2006-02-06

Well I personally think that 10.3 was an amazing release, with the only downside being the slow package management & installtion. Of course I used a lot of things that are now difficult/broken like using Parallels to virtualize WinxP.

11.1 is good, but 11.2 and 11.3 should be even better as the KDE team focuses on stabilisation instead of adding features. One of the nice things about 11.1 is also that the frequent Dolphin crashes of KDE 4.0 are gone.

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RE: What was wrong with 11?
by Clinton on Mon 22nd Dec 2008 15:14 UTC in reply to "What was wrong with 11?"
Clinton Member since:
2005-07-05

For me, 11.1 isn't up to par because of the complete weirdness that is installing ATI drivers and running on a dual-headed machine.

With the open source ATI drivers, I could get the dual-head mode to sort of work, but the background image wouldn't show up on the second monitor. With the ATI drivers, I could get both monitors to work correctly, but then KDE had a functionality fart and kept randomly changing my my keyboard layout and tools and icons on the panel.

I realize that a lot of onus lies with ATI too, but OpenSuSE should really extend their polish to the installation of commercial video drivers. If Ubuntu can make it as easy as the click of a button, OpenSuSE should be able to as well.

I noticed some other little problems (like the inability to set NTP servers during installation even though the option to do so is listed on the screen, and the lack of JFS support), but the ATI driver issues killed it for me. If I'm going to have to spend hours configuring my system anyway, I'd rather run Debian or Slackware.

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new boot dealy
by poundsmack on Thu 18th Dec 2008 16:47 UTC
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2005-07-13

I am to lazy to look up the name, but does 11.1 include teh new fasster better boot configuration that Fedora 10 sports now?

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v RE: new boot dealy
by satan666 on Thu 18th Dec 2008 17:01 UTC in reply to "new boot dealy"
RE[2]: new boot dealy
by pixel8r on Fri 19th Dec 2008 04:18 UTC in reply to "RE: new boot dealy"
pixel8r Member since:
2007-08-11

"I am to lazy to look up the name, but does 11.1 include teh new fasster better boot configuration that Fedora 10 sports now?


Maybe not but here are three reasons you should "Get it today!" (they mean get openSuse, of course)

1. Microsoft recommends Suse.
2. Microsoft won't sue you.
3. Novell recently attacked RedHat by trying to steal their customers.
"

1. Microsoft Recommends SLES/SLED. Neither of these are openSUSE. Microsoft has no connection whatsoever with openSUSE.
2. Microsoft is just as likely to sue you as any other user of any other Linux distro. The agreement between MS and Novell did NOT cover openSUSE.
3. Novell is simply doing business. If RedHat were to agressively try to win customers from novell would you stop using Fedora? Does it even have any relevance? So long as Novell is in business openSUSE is going to receive a lot of high quality attention and polish.

No matter what distro you use, you will be using software that Novell has contributed to. And you will probably like those contributions.

I'm sick of people sprouting complete crap about the MS-Novell deal. The first 2 points you made were completely false. The 3rd was simply a troll.

And to answer the original post, I believe the poster is referring to "upstart" - originally created by Ubuntu. It does have some advantages over the normal linux boot method but speed is not necessarily one of them. I believe openSUSE 11.1 would boot just as quick as the latest fedora/ubuntu, due to improvements in starting services in parallel and starting X earlier in the process.

I will be "getting it today". ;)

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RE: new boot dealy
by Tom9729 on Fri 19th Dec 2008 06:06 UTC in reply to "new boot dealy"
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2008-12-09
v Comment by satan666
by satan666 on Thu 18th Dec 2008 18:43 UTC
RE: Comment by satan666
by darknexus on Thu 18th Dec 2008 19:27 UTC in reply to "Comment by satan666"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Dude, do you have a double personality? That comment you wrote, which got modded down, looked an awful lot like a Novell-hating comment, and now you say the Novell haters modded you down? I'm betting you actually got modded down by people who believed you were irrationally hating on Novell. Either that, or you were intending to be sarcastic and it didn't come across that way.

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v RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by satan666 on Thu 18th Dec 2008 19:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
v RE: Comment by satan666
by shotsman on Thu 18th Dec 2008 19:50 UTC in reply to "Comment by satan666"
RE[2]: Comment by satan666
by milles21 on Thu 18th Dec 2008 20:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by satan666"
milles21 Member since:
2006-11-08

Come on be serious, the truth is SUSE still plays a large part of the Linux community. As for your whole YAST thing, are you incapable of operating at the command line SUSE still has one.

Is it YAST or your inability as an administrator to edit via command. This is more nonsense over and over give the distro credit for a solid release and focus on it in comparison to the other distros.

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RE[3]: Comment by satan666
by poundsmack on Thu 18th Dec 2008 20:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by satan666"
poundsmack Member since:
2005-07-13

YAST has improved A LOT! in 2 years. I am suprised teh previous poster wasn't able to get it to work but not that suprised. now it is really easy and painless most of the time.

as for the command line, unless its a server OS as a desktop user (and a person who sells computers primarily to desktop users) I don't ever want to "have" to use the command line.

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RE[3]: Comment by satan666
by dwave on Fri 19th Dec 2008 07:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by satan666"
dwave Member since:
2006-09-19

Suse/SLES/OpenSuse configuration has traditionally a lot of differences to the common Linux System. So yes, many times you are better off using Yast as some plain config files aren't there or do not work as expected. This is what puts me off every time but it might make perfect sense to a long-term OpenSuse user.

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screen shots
by lqsh on Thu 18th Dec 2008 19:38 UTC
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2007-01-01
Microsoft and Novell
by TechGeek on Thu 18th Dec 2008 20:49 UTC
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2006-01-14

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the deal between Microsoft and Novell didnt cover OpenSuse. But I don't know for sure.

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RE: Microsoft and Novell
by KAMiKAZOW on Sat 20th Dec 2008 11:08 UTC in reply to "Microsoft and Novell"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

Which deal? There's more than one.
The support coupons MS sells with corporate Windows licenses only cover SLE.
The cross-patent agreement covers companies, not specific distributions and because MS never proved that Linux in general is even affected by those patents, it's not an issue for FOSS users.

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Comment by factotum218
by factotum218 on Thu 18th Dec 2008 21:11 UTC
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2007-03-20

I've always been a fan of Suse as a desktop system but never really had the hardware to run it effectively hence my affinity to slackware.

Now it's a bit different with a x64 dual-core so I really look forward to seeing how it performs in comparison.

I'll keep my finders crossed!

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What happened to...
by hibridmatthias on Fri 19th Dec 2008 07:12 UTC
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Member since:
2007-04-11

the KDE menu that would slide left or right from menu to menu inside the start menu. I loved that feature when I first saw it in SLED10. Is that still available in 4.x?

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RE: What happened to...
by KAMiKAZOW on Sat 20th Dec 2008 10:58 UTC in reply to "What happened to..."
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes. It's called KickOff <http://en.opensuse.org/Kickoff> and is ported to KDE 4 since 4.0. It was even the first application launcher for KDE 4 and it's still the default.
There are, however, in true KDE style more choices. A Classic K-Menu is there as well and with KDE 4.2 Lancelot <http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/main> is shipped as an option, too.

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lost of win. little fail.
by zenulator on Fri 19th Dec 2008 21:19 UTC
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2008-06-29

I just installed it today on a test partition and I have to say it's very nice. The default KDE desktop is ok but with a little tweaking I have it set up the way I like it. Nvidia drivers are hosted on Nvidia's servers just add the repo through one click install at http://en.opensuse.org/NVIDIA. The only trouble I had was getting the network up after boot. I had to disable ipv6 and set the host name rather than have it set via dhcp. Other then that they do a great job of integrating gtk qt3 and qt4 apps. No rpm hell yet and yast is better that ever. I haven't had to use the command line to configure anything although I did drop into a different runlevel to restart X and networking. I'm impressed and I applaud the opensuse community for a job well done.

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SuSE Certification
by centos_user on Sat 20th Dec 2008 17:55 UTC
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2008-11-16

I am a RHCE and I was wondering has anyone attempted or certified with SuSE Linux?


I really would like to try it out, however I started out with Red Hat 6.0 Professional when you could call a 1-800 number to Red Hat and a guy would answer the phone for support.


It has taken several years to learn and grasp the concepts so I think I will look at SuSE's Certifications and get into it.

What desktop manager is best to use it SuSE KDE or Gnome?

Any info would be appreciated, also do they use app armor correct to SELinux in RHEL?

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RE: SuSE Certification
by NotInterested on Tue 23rd Dec 2008 12:53 UTC in reply to "SuSE Certification"
NotInterested Member since:
2008-01-02

Maybe a bit late for your answer but anyways ;)

There are certifications for Novell products, including SLES on their site www.novell.com. Expect something similar and analogous to Red Hat certifications, but I never needed any certifications so I can't give you more insight.

Suse has been traditionally a KDE distro but today you can use both WM's since they provide Gnome too with equal care. Actually on their Server products and their SLED(Enterprise Desktop) they default to Gnome.

About the SELinux question you asked, I didn't quite get what you are trying to say. Their offer for enhanced security policies is AppArmor and is much easier(and different) than SELinux. Although recently there was talk that they are going to support SELinux also. Rumor has it they are going to drop apparmor but I haven't followed this issue any further and don't know the latest facts.

Edited 2008-12-23 12:57 UTC

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