Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 30th Mar 2009 21:52 UTC
Mono Project The Mono guys have released Mono 2.4 and MonoDevelop 2.0. "We just released two big projects we have been working on for quite a while. Mono 2.4 is a much faster, scalable and tuned version of Mono, like you have never seen before. Major highlights from the previous release are documented in our release notes."
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v Yay!
by cjst on Mon 30th Mar 2009 22:42 UTC
RE: Yay!
by stabbyjones on Mon 30th Mar 2009 23:42 UTC in reply to "Yay!"
stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

your celebratory cookie is in the mail.

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Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Tue 31st Mar 2009 00:41 UTC
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2005-07-06

The performance optimisations look good; hopefully the Mac support will improve to the point that we start seeing a stable Banshee player emerge for Mac OS X ;) The performance/efficiency improvements should also help those on laptops who are concerned with making sure the applications they use allow the CPU to drop down into its lowest state (and thus save power).

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Comment by JR
by J.R. on Tue 31st Mar 2009 05:09 UTC
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2007-07-25

Sweet. I like Mono, except for the winforms part ;)

Edited 2009-03-31 05:10 UTC

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RE: Comment by JR
by kaiwai on Tue 31st Mar 2009 09:13 UTC in reply to "Comment by JR"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Sweet. I like Mono, except for the winforms part ;)


Well, technically speaking, the only real purpose of winforms is the sake of compatibility more than anything else. Mind you, one should, if they are going to write software, use the native widget for the said platform; Cocoa# for Mac, GTK# for *NIX and Winforms for Windows.

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RE[2]: Comment by JR
by FunkyELF on Tue 31st Mar 2009 13:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by JR"
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2006-07-26

Why is GTK the native for Linux? Especially with KDE4 I notice a lot of people using KDE now.

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RE[3]: Comment by JR
by WorknMan on Tue 31st Mar 2009 14:04 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by JR"
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2005-11-13

It's not. Linux doesn't have a 'native' toolkit, which is one of its problems.

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RE[4]: Comment by JR
by FunkyELF on Tue 31st Mar 2009 17:40 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by JR"
FunkyELF Member since:
2006-07-26

It's not. Linux doesn't have a 'native' toolkit, which is one of its problems.


I'll say the same thing with different emphasis. Linux doesn't have "a" native toolkit; it has several.

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RE[5]: Comment by JR
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 31st Mar 2009 17:50 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by JR"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

'll say the same thing with different emphasis. Linux doesn't have a native tool"kit"; Lots of tools, never seen a kit.


/strange joke, even I don't fully grasp.

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RE[3]: Comment by JR
by Hiev on Tue 31st Mar 2009 15:08 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by JR"
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2005-09-27
RE[3]: Comment by JR
by kaiwai on Tue 31st Mar 2009 21:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by JR"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Why is GTK the native for Linux? Especially with KDE4 I notice a lot of people using KDE now.


So you moderate down a person comment because you disagree with them - yeah, real mature.

The point I was getting at is that the idea of a multiplatform toolkit is a load of bollocks because no matter how good one makes the toolkit - it will always appear out of place, especially on a Mac.

But hey, you found it easier to moderate me down and flame my post rather than taking an effort to understand what I was talking about.

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RE[3]: Comment by JR
by dagw on Wed 1st Apr 2009 07:13 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by JR"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

In the context of Mono, GTK is as close to native as you'll get on *nix. There is also qt bindings for mono, but it isn't as far along or as well supported as GTK.

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RE[3]: Comment by JR
by fithisux on Wed 1st Apr 2009 18:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by JR"
fithisux Member since:
2006-01-22

I downloaded on my OpenSus11.1 It is fast, stable and monodevelop feels more responsive than my beloved netbeans. I believe that GTK# provides crossplatform GUI opportunities.

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Mac OS X
by Andre4s on Tue 31st Mar 2009 08:21 UTC
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2006-02-10

Hope the Mac OS X version of MonoDevelop is not far away.

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RE: Mac OS X
by Ventajou on Tue 31st Mar 2009 14:44 UTC in reply to "Mac OS X"
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2006-10-31

What do you mean? I have installed monodevelop on a mac a few months ago...

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Debugger
by evangs on Tue 31st Mar 2009 12:37 UTC
evangs
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2005-07-07

Integrated debugger. W00T!

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Let's get sued
by chris_dk on Tue 31st Mar 2009 17:44 UTC
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2005-07-12

Microsoft sues TomTom.

Just wait until they sue somebody who use Mono in their products. It is a matter of time.

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RE: Let's get sued
by evangs on Tue 31st Mar 2009 18:34 UTC in reply to "Let's get sued"
evangs Member since:
2005-07-07

Seriously, this is getting old.

Most Mono applications make use of the ECMA portion of C# and then Glade# or Gtk#. They have done really well to steer clear of any of the patent encumbered Winforms (and WPF) libraries. If MS decided to sue Novell and require them to remove Winforms, none of the major applications will break since they do not use those libraries.

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RE[2]: Let's get sued
by segedunum on Wed 1st Apr 2009 13:39 UTC in reply to "RE: Let's get sued"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Seriously, this is getting old.

So is Mono's FAQ.

Most Mono applications make use of the ECMA portion of C# and then Glade# or Gtk#. They have done really well to steer clear of any of the patent encumbered Winforms (and WPF) libraries.

I wish people would stop posting this from the FAQs, because it is well wide of the mark and doesn't answer the most crucial question that open source projects need answered, and Gnome needs answered if it is to use Mono more fully at any time because Gnome needs something like it.

There is nothing that stops Microsoft from encumbering the CLR or anything submitted to the ECMA and there is nothing to stop the RAND license that they have to be offered under from being revoked. They just won't be ECMA specs any more, that's all.

The notion that there are some ring-fenced 'safe' and potentially 'non-safe' parts of Mono is bogus and potentially dangerous because no one cares about what your namespaces or libraries are called. I can tell you Microsoft doesn't.

If MS decided to sue Novell and require them to remove Winforms....

They will not sue anyone, or throw their weight around, over people implementing Winforms or people having ADO.Net namespaces I can tell you that. It just wouldn't make any sense and wouldn't be successful. They will do it in a more far reaching way on the basis of anything that runs within a compatible CLR, as documented at the ECMA.

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RE: Let's get sued
by jpobst on Tue 31st Mar 2009 18:36 UTC in reply to "Let's get sued"
jpobst Member since:
2006-09-26

Microsoft sues TomTom.

Just wait until they sue somebody who use Mono in their products. It is a matter of time.


Exactly, Microsoft sued TomTom over Linux. So when everyone quits using Linux due to fear of being sued, Mono will be irrelevant anyways.

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World is upside down
by jello on Tue 31st Mar 2009 20:36 UTC
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2006-08-08

Congratulations to the devs!

[off topic]
I think it's hilarious that when a compiler is released it's on page 2 but a "Game Review" is on page 1.

The OSNews world is upside down!
[/off topic]

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RE: World is upside down
by sbenitezb on Wed 1st Apr 2009 11:51 UTC in reply to "World is upside down"
sbenitezb Member since:
2005-07-22

You mean Thom's articles should go directly to page 2? Come on, that's blasphemy!!

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Ubuntu!!
by sardaukar on Thu 2nd Apr 2009 13:10 UTC
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2006-05-09

I want updated packages for Ubuntu! NOW! ;)

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