Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 25th Jun 2009 10:57 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems It's that time of the year again: the Top 500 list of supercomputers has been published, as they do every six months. Just for fun, I decided to compare the list released this month to then-current list when OSNews launched; we started in August 1997, so let's compare the list of today to the one from June 1997.
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Linux charts & Comment
by kragil on Thu 25th Jun 2009 11:35 UTC
kragil
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2006-01-04

OS family 06/97
http://www.top500.org/charts/list/9/osfam
06/09
http://www.top500.org/charts/list/33/osfam


Comments: Why didn't you just steal the charts ;) ?
And I still hate the EM64T name. The thing should be called AMD64, because AMD made it.

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RE: Linux charts & Comment
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 25th Jun 2009 11:38 UTC in reply to "Linux charts & Comment"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Well, because they don't have any data labels. I don't like pie charts without data labels. On top of that, making charts and tables is fun.

I mean that ;) .

Edited 2009-06-25 11:38 UTC

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RE[2]: Linux charts & Comment
by acase on Thu 25th Jun 2009 13:47 UTC in reply to "RE: Linux charts & Comment"
acase Member since:
2009-06-25

In that case I'd appreciate it if the labels could be made correctly (x86_64 != x68_64).

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RE[2]: Linux charts & Comment
by boldingd on Thu 25th Jun 2009 20:11 UTC in reply to "RE: Linux charts & Comment"
boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

I'm on 64-bit Red Hat 4; I can't easily install flash, which those charts use. I'm glad he didn't steal them. ;)

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RE[3]: Linux charts & Comment
by lemur2 on Thu 25th Jun 2009 23:28 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Linux charts & Comment"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I'm on 64-bit Red Hat 4; I can't easily install flash, which those charts use. I'm glad he didn't steal them. ;)


You should however be able to install gnash. Gnash is now up to its 4th beta release:

http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/

Gnash is being actively developed at the moment. Therefore, although many features work, not all movies play successfully. The fourth beta release of Gnash has was made at version 0.8.5 on March 3, 2009.


As it says, not everything works, but having said that, a lot of flash that is on the web does in fact work.

Gnash 0.8.5 has fixed quite a bit of the problem of integration with browsers, so it not only plays flash now, it can nearly always download it too. Thats a bonus.

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RE: Linux charts & Comment
by Narishma on Thu 25th Jun 2009 14:08 UTC in reply to "Linux charts & Comment"
Narishma Member since:
2005-07-06

AMD64 (or x86-64) and EM64T are not the same thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Differences_between_AMD64_and_I...

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RE[2]: Linux charts & Comment
by BluenoseJake on Thu 25th Jun 2009 21:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Linux charts & Comment"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

those are differences in implementation, not design. Intel was forced to base EM64T off AMD64 due to pressure from MS.

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RE: Linux charts & Comment
by Delgarde on Thu 25th Jun 2009 21:34 UTC in reply to "Linux charts & Comment"
Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

And I still hate the EM64T name. The thing should be called AMD64, because AMD made it.


Actually, the chart *does* call it AMD64 - at least, when talking about AMD. The EM64T label is only used for Intel hardware...

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Comment by flanque
by flanque on Thu 25th Jun 2009 12:29 UTC
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2005-12-15

Right, so finally we know where to go to get the full and proper Crysis experience!

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RE: Comment by flanque
by Brendan on Thu 25th Jun 2009 12:48 UTC in reply to "Comment by flanque"
Brendan Member since:
2005-11-16

Right, so finally we know where to go to get the full and proper Crysis experience!


Well, no.

A supercomputer isn't a computer - it's a large number of individual computers cooperating as a cluster. With this in mind you could probably get a collection of 20 billion Commodore 64's and connect them all together, and be in the top 500 list without actually being able to run any modern software... ;-)

-Brendan

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RE[2]: Comment by flanque
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 25th Jun 2009 16:33 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by flanque"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Well, no.

They didn't make 20 billion Commodore 64's. ;)

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RE[2]: Comment by flanque
by rockwell on Thu 25th Jun 2009 17:00 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by flanque"
rockwell Member since:
2005-09-13

Well, yes.

It was a joke. Get a sense of humor.

Edited 2009-06-25 17:01 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by flanque
by Tuishimi on Thu 25th Jun 2009 19:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by flanque"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

I think he was joking too.

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RE[4]: Comment by flanque
by daedliusswartz on Thu 25th Jun 2009 21:14 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by flanque"
daedliusswartz Member since:
2007-05-28

:D

Edited 2009-06-25 21:15 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by flanque
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 25th Jun 2009 21:34 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by flanque"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

You shouldn't joke about having 20 billion C64's. Its just cruel. My mind goes wild with delirious dreams of writing parallel programs on the array in Basic with chocked full of enough peeks and pokes to make perl look as readable as Dick & Jane.

One Day.... How well is C64 supported by virtual machines? anyone know?

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RE[6]: Comment by flanque
by sbergman27 on Sun 28th Jun 2009 17:51 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by flanque"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

chocked full of enough peeks and pokes to make perl look as readable as Dick & Jane.

Do schools still use Sally, Dick, and Jane? I suppose they now have smart phones and iPods. And Spot probably has a GPS transponder implant. What was the cat's name? I can't remember.

Edited 2009-06-28 17:53 UTC

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Thank Linux Intel
by segedunum on Thu 25th Jun 2009 12:57 UTC
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2005-07-06

I don't know, because it was pretty obvious over ten years ago that all the proprietary Unix vendors with hardware to protect would do absolutely anything to ensure their Unix operating systems would not run on any x86 system. The Unix they all feared ended up being Linux, all the big Unix and hardware vendors went into denial apart from IBM, and it is interesting to see how many of those companies producing hardware on that list in 1997 have now either gone bust or are in serious trouble.

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RE: Thank Linux Intel
by gustl on Thu 25th Jun 2009 17:09 UTC in reply to "Thank Linux Intel"
gustl Member since:
2006-01-19

Some saw the signs (SGI) and converted their hardware to Linux. The Altix machines are good vertical number crunchers.
it's a pity they still seem to be in trouble.

On the other hand, currently you can get a 4 core, 24 GB RAM machine for €2000,-, and lots of calculations actually can be handled by these machines.
If I scale this money to a 16 core, 96 GB RAM SGI Altix, then the Altix should cost no more than €8000,-
Unfortunately with that machine configuration you get nowhere near that price.

I hope Microsoft programming continues to demand higher and higher power machines, so that consumers continue to demand stronger and stronger machines, so that those machines reach the consumer sector and give me the opportunity to run Linux on those then cheap machines and do number-crunching on it.

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Pi
by systyrant on Thu 25th Jun 2009 13:20 UTC
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Member since:
2007-01-18

And still none of them can calculate pi to a repeating digit. ;)

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RE: Pi
by Tuishimi on Thu 25th Jun 2009 19:25 UTC in reply to "Pi"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

I bet with the right modifications to the FP chip you could. ;)

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RE: Pi
by acobar on Thu 25th Jun 2009 22:43 UTC in reply to "Pi"
acobar Member since:
2005-11-15

Pi is an irrational transcendental number and, as so, doesn't has a repeating sequence. If you find one you must keep calm and revise your calculation.

Anyway, I guess you know it.

Edited 2009-06-25 22:43 UTC

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RE[2]: Pi
by systyrant on Sun 28th Jun 2009 20:05 UTC in reply to "RE: Pi"
systyrant Member since:
2007-01-18

Yes. It was merely a joke. ;)

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Too bad about the diversity
by henno on Thu 25th Jun 2009 19:15 UTC
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2009-06-25

I like the diversity. I have worked on Sparc, Power, MIPS, Alpha, Itanium and Cray machines (all having some form of Unix) and it was quite fun to have all the little and big differences, different development tools, design decisions etc. Now most systems are basic Linux, which makes things easier but also more boring. Back to diversity!

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RE: Too bad about the diversity
by Lennie on Thu 25th Jun 2009 22:53 UTC in reply to "Too bad about the diversity"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Lucky for you not all Linux distributions are the same.

It's however good to have most of the use the same gnu utils, so atleast when we have a shell script call tar it always uses the same options.

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And in in 2019...
by DonMartin65 on Fri 26th Jun 2009 09:11 UTC
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Member since:
2008-06-04

... a sizeable chunk of the top 5oo supercomputers will be run on cellphone chips! Think ARM...

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Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Fri 26th Jun 2009 10:40 UTC
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2005-07-06

Very custom hardware with a Linux kernel moulded to fulfil a given task - I don't want to start an anti-Linux thread but I do think that people need to realise that it doesn't say anything about Linux other than the ability to have access to source code and being able to make incredible optimisations and tweaking because of it.

Linux was in the right place at the right time; there are many other open source operating systems that, had it gained the momentum that Linux did in the early days - would be just as likely to have jumped into the top 500. A lot of what we see today is thanks not just to GNU/Linux and the talent behind it but also a reasonable amount of good luck.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by jonathane on Fri 26th Jun 2009 12:57 UTC in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
jonathane Member since:
2009-05-31

It's not anti-linux to note what is in fact the result of both its versatility and fortunate timing. I hope to see more processor and OS diversity on this list in ten years.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Fri 26th Jun 2009 13:06 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

It's not anti-linux to note what is in fact the result of both its versatility and fortunate timing. I hope to see more processor and OS diversity on this list in ten years.


Unfortunately on this website there is a habit by individuals to mark down anything that doesn't mark Linux as the pinnacle of perfection - if there are problems, its always the end users fault rather than flaws in the system itself (as seen with the review of Linux on my Acer Aspire One a few months ago).

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