Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 17th Jan 2010 23:43 UTC, submitted by aaronb
Internet Explorer The German government has warned web users to find an alternative browser to Internet Explorer to protect security. The warning from the Federal Office for Information Security comes after Microsoft admitted IE was the weak link in recent attacks on Google's systems. Microsoft rejected the warning, saying that the risk to users was low and that the browsers' increased security setting would prevent any serious risk.
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French Government, also.
by lemur2 on Mon 18th Jan 2010 00:14 UTC
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The French government has also made a similar recommendation:

http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2010/01/17/la-france-et-...

Exploit code is now available:

http://www.darkreading.com/vulnerability_management/security/attack...

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Comment by Chris Nillissen
by Chris Nillissen on Mon 18th Jan 2010 00:32 UTC
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2009-05-04

Google: "We have a better browser than Microsoft, not that our employees are using it." LOL!

I am sure that Google are capitalising on this situation a little bit.

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RE: Comment by Chris Nillissen
by Elv13 on Mon 18th Jan 2010 01:49 UTC in reply to "Comment by Chris Nillissen"
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2006-06-12

And the F/OSS movement too, enjoy!

at this pace, in 3 years, we will see similar recommendation about dropping Windows (XP or all, who know). The more fragmented the market will be, the better interoperability will get, even if this statement look ridiculous.

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v RE[2]: Comment by Chris Nillissen
by xaeropower on Mon 18th Jan 2010 03:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Chris Nillissen"
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2006-02-15

"winsack", "winsuck", "p0wn", "loser sh*t", "rulez" and a generally childish attitude on top of it all... Do I even need to say more?

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RE[2]: Comment by Chris Nillissen
by strcpy on Mon 18th Jan 2010 08:48 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Chris Nillissen"
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2009-05-20

And the F/OSS movement too, enjoy!


Why? Believe it or not, most of the F/OSS movement couldn't care less about Microsoft or its products.

And there is generally something very obnoxious to seek pleasure from the failures of others.

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Funny... Very funny...
by dulac on Mon 18th Jan 2010 02:05 UTC
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Naturally the German Government, and others, suddenly realized what we all know for years.

The funny part is Microsoft "rejected the warning" that is directed to all public offices, in the fastest way to reach them.

It would be even funnier to see Microsoft to sue the German government for disclosing an internal note in a public way and thus creating an image loss to Microsoft (accountable) even if under conditions created by Microsoft".

Isn't that the basis of many (heavy contenders) "law" suits?
We also know the answer is both yes, no and maybe.
But is nonetheless funny how the even Governments notes are rejected just because they WILL be listened by the average user.

Delicious!

Edited 2010-01-18 02:09 UTC

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RE: Funny... Very funny...
by mithnae on Mon 18th Jan 2010 10:39 UTC in reply to "Funny... Very funny..."
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2006-03-29

I wonder, whether Microsoft if seriously considering exiting German market altogether, due to the unprecedented government interference with their business...

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RE[2]: Funny... Very funny...
by lemur2 on Mon 18th Jan 2010 10:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Funny... Very funny..."
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2007-02-17

I wonder, whether Microsoft if seriously considering exiting German market altogether, due to the unprecedented government interference with their business...


Why would Microsoft do Germany such a big favour?

Edited 2010-01-18 10:41 UTC

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RE[3]: Funny... Very funny...
by shotsman on Mon 18th Jan 2010 10:55 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Funny... Very funny..."
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2005-07-22

so they could concentrate all their efforts here in the UK as the NuLab gov is so in love with Microsoft.
Blair was in love with Gates and Broone seems to think Balmer can do no wrong.

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RE: Funny... Very funny...
by Ford Prefect on Mon 18th Jan 2010 11:21 UTC in reply to "Funny... Very funny..."
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2006-01-16

It is not the first time that BSI ("german government") recommends not to use Internet Explorer.

They did it several times before.

The new thing is that now IE 7 and 8 are out and they are still insecure.

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RE: Funny... Very funny...
by Doc Pain on Mon 18th Jan 2010 20:41 UTC in reply to "Funny... Very funny..."
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2006-10-08

Naturally the German Government, and others, suddenly realized what we all know for years.


No. Governments don't realize things. They don't realize anything. That's not their nature. :-)

Furthermore, not using insecure and outdated PC software products will make it very hard for the upcoming "Bundestrojaner" (translated: "Federal Trojan") to become available on all PCs in the FRG so the government can easily spy on the people. :-)

The funny part is Microsoft "rejected the warning" that is directed to all public offices, in the fastest way to reach them.


This is just a friendly advice. Just imagine if all the administrative offices on federal, state, community and municipal level would stop using "Internet Explorer". All their fine and expensively taylored applications would stop working! :-)

But is nonetheless funny how the even Governments notes are rejected just because they WILL be listened by the average user.


Listen: Yes. Believe: No. :-)

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available?
by r0b0 on Mon 18th Jan 2010 08:12 UTC
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2006-09-21

Is the original official recommendation available online?

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RE: available?
by Hisoka999 on Mon 18th Jan 2010 08:53 UTC in reply to "available?"
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IE 6
by strcpy on Mon 18th Jan 2010 08:57 UTC
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2009-05-20

If you use a web browser released in 2001, you get what you bargained for.

Same goes to any other browser. To balance the sheets: Firefox 1.1 was released in 2005!

EDIT: okay, my apologies, after some digging I realized that other versions were affected too (though Metasploit only released an exploit for IE6).

Good advice from the the Register interview too:


We've said it before, and given the particulars of this vulnerability, we'll say it again: security measures like DEP and ASLR, or address space layout randomization, matter. As ugly as this vulnerability is - to say nothing of its ability to remain undetected for nine years - the fact that Windows 7 and IE 8 were able to withstand the "highly sophisticated" attacks that felled Google is testament that Microsoft is making significant progress.


Edited 2010-01-18 09:00 UTC

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show me a secure web browser
by jessta on Mon 18th Jan 2010 14:14 UTC
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2005-08-17

Can anyone show me a secure web browser?

One that doesn't regularly have security related bugs reported for it?

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RE: show me a secure web browser
by righard on Mon 18th Jan 2010 14:36 UTC in reply to "show me a secure web browser"
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2007-12-26
People don't care
by systyrant on Mon 18th Jan 2010 14:45 UTC
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2007-01-18

In the grand scheme of things most people are gonna keep right on using IE.

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IE and w3 standards
by Janvl on Tue 19th Jan 2010 08:36 UTC
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2007-02-20

As soon as IE respcts w3 standards I will stop putting my users to FF. Fact is that IE is a horror-trip for webdesigners, you need loads of workarounds to make it look similar to a site written for w3-standards.

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Using other web browsers will be safe ?
by funny_irony on Tue 19th Jan 2010 09:56 UTC
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If a country like China are behind the hacking of Google, do you think changing your web browser will make you safe ?

I think they should hire more intelligent people into German Government.

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