Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 9th Apr 2010 17:43 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
QNX Well, I have to admit I didn't see this one coming. Not too long ago, QNX Software Systems was acquired by Harman International (Harman/Kardon and JBL), and now, six years later, the embedded software specialist has been bought by BlackBerry maker Research In Motion. Interesting acquisition.
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Comment by twitterfire
by twitterfire on Fri 9th Apr 2010 17:50 UTC
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Or maybe RIM just throws an GUI over QNX and uses it as a operating system for phones and tablets.

It will be nice to see QNX used in some other fields.

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RE: Comment by twitterfire
by razor on Fri 9th Apr 2010 23:52 UTC in reply to "Comment by twitterfire"
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Or maybe RIM just throws an GUI over QNX and uses it as a operating system for phones and tablets.

It will be nice to see QNX used in some other fields.


I am not a OS expert, but I thought real time operating systems and general purpose os are completely different beasts. something about trade offs between deterministic response time vs throughput?

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RE[2]: Comment by twitterfire
by Morgan on Sat 10th Apr 2010 01:01 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by twitterfire"
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Ahh, but a phone OS is not exactly a "general purpose" OS. Phones and other portable devices can benefit greatly from features found in realtime OSes. From my own experience, BlackBerry phones in particular need some fresh blood. I played around with the QNX Neutrino desktop OS several years back and I was impressed; from what I've read of the QNX OS itself, it is highly adaptable and customizable enough to fit nearly any situation.

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Just thinking...
by JPowers27 on Fri 9th Apr 2010 18:11 UTC
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What to do with QNX

1) Replace current Blackberry OS with QNX (like the previous poster said).
2) Blackberry should integrate with the car system.
a) Automatic switch to hands free mode if in car.
b) Use car speakers for phone.
c) Use car microphone for phone.
d) Use steering wheel/dashboard controls to operate the phone.
e) Allow the phone to replace the key & remote control.
f) Allow syncing of music libraries between the phone and car.
g) Allow the car to use the phone as an access point to the internet (update navigation system, software updates, etc.)

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It's the 1980s all over again
by sorpigal on Fri 9th Apr 2010 18:18 UTC
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OS Wars - The Next Generation

This is a shot accross the bow of Google and Apple. Consider the major mobile OS choices today:

1. iPhone OS
- one vendor who competes with RIM
2. Android
- multiple vendors, no proprietary control
3. MeeGe/Maemo/Minimo - non-Android Linux
- multiple vendors, no proprietary control
4. Windows Mobile
- either partner closely with MS and get screwed later or give up any kind of platform control

(PalmOS, Symbian, etc. are all on the way out, so forget them.)

You can now add one to that list: QNX. RIM is certainly looking for a way to escaping the aging blackberry OS with something that has a chance of competing with the heavy hitters AND controlling its own destiny.

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No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

So now Apple is IBM, Google is MS/DR/etc. DOS, Maemo is Linux (well, duh) and Microsoft is the Catholic church. Interesting times, indeed.

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sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

The combination of my subject line and your user name make for a hilarious double take. I laughed.

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rebel787 Member since:
2007-01-13

The combination of my subject line and your user name make for a hilarious double take. I laughed.


:-)
I can't comment on the 80's ... but the nineties were were the best times in pc's. But I don't think I wanna relive Mandrake's gcc compiler f-ups moving from 8 to 9.
Aah.. the sweet sounds of the analogue modem :-)

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RE: It's the 1980s all over again
by collinm on Sat 10th Apr 2010 09:27 UTC in reply to "It's the 1980s all over again"
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2005-07-15

i hope it's a joke?

symbian is number 1 in the world.... in the us market is not the same thing....

For USA
http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2010/4/comScore...

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Fettarme H-Milch Member since:
2010-02-16

3. MeeGe/Maemo/Minimo - non-Android Linux

Minimo was the precursor to Firefox Mobile and not an operating system.

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sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

Quite right, I was thinking Moblin and typed the wrong thing.

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good or bad
by poundsmack on Fri 9th Apr 2010 18:29 UTC
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This could be very good or very bad. This will allow QNX to focus more on the OS aspect of things which will be nice.

I hope RIM does for QNX what Nokia has done with QT.

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RE: good or bad
by Flatland_Spider on Sun 11th Apr 2010 20:31 UTC in reply to "good or bad"
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I think this is more on the good end. The two companies should be fairly symbiotic.

RIM has always struck me as a very focused and smart company. I think they've realized they need to move away from Java, and what better way then to use an OS built for limited devices.

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RE: good or bad
by Soulbender on Mon 12th Apr 2010 03:00 UTC in reply to "good or bad"
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I hope RIM does for QNX what Nokia has done with QT.


Hahahaha! Seriously? You have obviously never used a Suckberry.

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RE[2]: good or bad
by poundsmack on Mon 12th Apr 2010 16:08 UTC in reply to "RE: good or bad"
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2005-07-13

i had a black berry curve personally, but i also used ot manage a big BES server for one of the companies i worked out. I hated black berry phones to no end, had issues witht htme all the time.

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I dont believe this
by ritesh_nair on Fri 9th Apr 2010 19:53 UTC
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So now can I really see something nice on the GUI end of blackberry. And QNX is one heck of an RTOS. So maybe they will get all the things right now.

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RE: I dont believe this
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Fri 9th Apr 2010 22:44 UTC in reply to "I dont believe this"
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Yeah, just like the vast improvements we saw when Palm bought BeOS.

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RE[2]: I dont believe this
by SuperDaveOsbourne on Fri 9th Apr 2010 23:32 UTC in reply to "RE: I dont believe this"
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2007-06-24

Sadly you are so right on the spot with this history lesson. The OS will not save a sinking/sank ship, only moving to another OS that has a fresh start. Someone once said, its easier to give birth than resurrect the dead.

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RE[3]: I dont believe this
by wanker90210 on Mon 12th Apr 2010 08:42 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I dont believe this"
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2007-10-26

In some projects I've been thrown shit legacy code. Redoing one part from spaghetti crap to clean code can have an amazing effect on the rest of the code. A start from scratch is not always a magic pill but is the thing funniest for the programmers so they always suggest that.

I don't want to imagine what horror MacOS 9 was but I can imagine how much easier it must have been to get out of the pit with a solid unix kernel in the bottom and some likeable Next libs.

This QNX thing must not necessarily go down the drain. It could be good.

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RE[2]: I dont believe this
by kaiwai on Sat 10th Apr 2010 01:30 UTC in reply to "RE: I dont believe this"
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2005-07-06

Yeah, just like the vast improvements we saw when Palm bought BeOS.


But the problem with the BeOS buy out there was a huge amount of work that needed to be done not only in the areas where it was week (networking stack etc) but also the fact it wasn't mature platform that supported other architectures besides x86 and PowerPC. QNX on the other had has over 20 years of legacy behind it, it is a mature multi-architecture operating system with a large and vibrant ecosystem ranging from software developers to hardware engineers. The two in other words are incomparable.

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Good times, good times!
by SnowBuddha on Fri 9th Apr 2010 22:22 UTC
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I, too, used QNX as my main desktop system years ago. I remember playing Quake 3 on QNX with a voodoo card. Loved the responsiveness of the system. many happy memories there. Go QNX/RIM go!

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Comment by Silver Slimer
by Silver Slimer on Fri 9th Apr 2010 22:36 UTC
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If RIM + QNX can knock Apple down a peg, I'll be like a pig in shit. I'm sick and tired of all the media coverage Apple gets for its overpriced, underfunctional products.

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RE: Comment by Silver Slimer
by sorpigal on Fri 9th Apr 2010 23:00 UTC in reply to "Comment by Silver Slimer"
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If RIM + QNX can knock Apple down a peg, I'll be like a pig in shit. I'm sick and tired of all the media coverage Apple gets for its overpriced, underfunctional products.

qft

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RE: Comment by Silver Slimer
by kaiwai on Sat 10th Apr 2010 01:36 UTC in reply to "Comment by Silver Slimer"
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2005-07-06

If RIM + QNX can knock Apple down a peg, I'll be like a pig in shit. I'm sick and tired of all the media coverage Apple gets for its overpriced, underfunctional products.


As I've always said, Apple isn't the best, it is just that the competition sucks that makes Apple look good. The best example, how long did it take Microsoft to finally address the issue of Windows Mobile? how long did it take Palm to finally do something about their decrepit PalmOS? Apple is in the same situation that Microsoft found itself in a decade ago; a moderately good product that bet the alternatives because the alternatives were either so utterly horrible or incompetently managed by the parent company.

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RE: Comment by Silver Slimer
by Soulbender on Mon 12th Apr 2010 09:25 UTC in reply to "Comment by Silver Slimer"
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That won't happen until RIM gets rid of their laughably horrible data plans.

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RE[2]: Comment by Silver Slimer
by iseyler on Mon 12th Apr 2010 14:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Silver Slimer"
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RIM has nothing to do with data plans. Those are up to the carriers.. and yes, they are horrible.

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QNet
by tchristney on Sat 10th Apr 2010 02:52 UTC
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2005-09-21

I've always thought that one of the best features of QNX was the network (semi-)transparency with QNet. This could potentially be a game changer when it comes to interacting with different QNX devices, for example your car, phone and gps navigation device. The possibilities are pretty awesome. Using it as an isolated desktop would not, I think, really give you a sense of the overall awesomeness of the technology.

http://www.qnx.com/developers/docs/6.3.0SP3/neutrino/sys_arch/qnet....

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Not only
by sandorfal on Sat 10th Apr 2010 09:58 UTC
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Not only automotive for cars, it is also used for the ISS robot arm, for medical machines, etc.
And it is fault tolerant too. Not a small thing.
I have looks at it since years, it seems very nice and efficient work for programmers and very powerful and stable OS for users.

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RE: Not only
by chrish on Tue 13th Apr 2010 12:15 UTC in reply to "Not only"
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2005-07-14

Not only automotive for cars, it is also used for the ISS robot arm, for medical machines, etc.
And it is fault tolerant too. Not a small thing.
I have looks at it since years, it seems very nice and efficient work for programmers and very powerful and stable OS for users.


I'm reasonably certain the Canadarm robot arm is using QNX 2 to control it; medical machines are using QNX 4, and automotive systems are using QNX 6... these are all vastly different and complete rewrites of the QNX microkernel.

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Comment by Heard
by Heard on Sat 10th Apr 2010 14:04 UTC
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2009-12-24

I've recently read a car magazine which has an article about an iPhone app and they were stating that the iPhone will replace car board computers in the future. Could be not to far from reality if you think about it.

This acquirement could be the perfect chance for both QNX holding it's current dominance in the car market and RIM getting a perfect operating system for their mobile devices.

Personally I hope QNX can finally live on to it's full potential.

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Comment by Luca
by Luca on Sun 11th Apr 2010 06:53 UTC
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It would be nice to see yet another microkernel OS. I hope that RIM will make own device like iPad.
btw QNX was perfect mobile OS http://stoplinux.org.ru/uploads/images/news_2010/eqip/About1.jpg

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Apple Repellent
by elsewhere on Sun 11th Apr 2010 23:15 UTC
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2005-07-13

Call me cynical, but I think the true reason for the acquisition is this portion of the announcement:

...adding valuable intellectual property to RIM's portfolio...

QNX has some interesting patents and pending applications related to embedded systems, SMP/multi-core OS and voice processing, among others.

RIM, who admittedly has been on the losing end of more than one patent suit, has been trying to build up their patent pool for some time now. Their Nortel bid was rejected, for instance, since it was seen only as an attempt to grab their patents related to LTE (and the outstanding $2B in Canadian tax credits, of course).

RIM could really be interested in the potential QNX offers and is looking to invest in further R&D to bring the market new and marvelous things, but I have my doubts.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Palm was on their target list, as well.

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Nokia and RIM
by ariarinen on Mon 12th Apr 2010 17:59 UTC
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"If Apple or Nokia ever get trigger-happy towards RIM, I'm sure QNX can pull a sizeable number of patents out of its hat Nokia and/or Apple (potentially) infringe upon." Nokia and RIM has had license agreement for many years now, and it was last renew 2008. But maybe their new IP can bring down royalty expenses.

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