Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 15:49 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Let me take you by the hand and lead you into cell phone land. Dell - of all companies - has "leaked" its line-up of upcoming Android and Windows Phone 7 phones, and contrary to any common sense, they're stunning. On top of that, Android has been ported to the iPhone (dual-boot capable, baby), and a clever tool has been released that completely automates overclocking your Palm Pre (Plus).
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Personal taste
by merkoth on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 15:59 UTC
merkoth
Member since:
2006-09-22

To me, the Thunder looks huge and bulky. It reminds me of american cars. The hardware looks hot, though.

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RE: Personal taste
by Tuishimi on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 16:08 UTC in reply to "Personal taste"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

The windows phone looks good tho'. I wonder how often the keyboard would get used? I assume that there would be a virtual keyboard and that you could also tilt the phone to maximize the size of it?

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RE[2]: Personal taste
by merkoth on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 17:56 UTC in reply to "RE: Personal taste"
merkoth Member since:
2006-09-22

Maybe I'm missing something, but closed both phones look the same to me.

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RE[3]: Personal taste
by Tuishimi on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 18:11 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Personal taste"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

More or less the same shape, but it does seem thicker. But really what I still wonder is why the keyboard. Wouldn't it be easier to type with a wide virtual than that little physical thing?

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RE[4]: Personal taste
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 18:19 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Personal taste"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

No.

Typing on a virtual keyboard (as I do on my iPhone) is HELL, even after having the device for months and months. I was not only faster, but also insanely more accurate on my E71's real keyboard.

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RE[5]: Personal taste
by Tuishimi on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 19:46 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Personal taste"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

Even wide mode? I wouldn't have thought that. O.K. Thanks for the insight then.

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RE[6]: Personal taste
by _txf_ on Fri 23rd Apr 2010 10:03 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Personal taste"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

I will never again buy a phone without a physical keyboard for several reasons:

1) you cannot rest your hands on top of the (v)keyboard otherwise it registers presses.

2) You lose the tactile feedback (physical feedback) which is several magnitudes faster than the visual to physical feedback loop.

3) It is unpleasant to tap against a surface that does not shock absorb. It isn't going hurt you but it is much more comfortable to type against a spring.

4) you loose a lot screen real estate. And text input is usually modal as a result (you enter a text input mode which is another delay).

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RE[5]: Personal taste
by google_ninja on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 22:18 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Personal taste"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

I've had mine for about 4 months, i find my old mechanical keyboard to be _easier_ to use (i find it takes more concentration on the iphone), but I would say my speed/accuracy is comparable now on the iphone in landscape.

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RE[4]: Personal taste
by phoenix on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 21:43 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Personal taste"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

You also lose half the screen to the virtual keyboard, which can sometimes be a pain. A physical keyboard allows you to use the entire screen for output.

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RE[5]: Personal taste
by Tuishimi on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 21:44 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Personal taste"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

Ah. Another good point.

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RE: Personal taste
by WereCatf on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 19:09 UTC in reply to "Personal taste"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

looks huge and bulky. It reminds me of american cars.

Talking of personal taste, I like devices and especially cars with charismatic looks. Modern stuff lacks looks, charism, and especially personality!

http://cutmesomeflack.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/hummer1.jpg *drool* <3_<3

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Fake? Dell phones?
by Envying1 on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 17:32 UTC
Envying1
Member since:
2008-04-22

If Dell want to test its capability in selling mobile devices, they ought to develop one or two different models at a time.

So many models (Aero, Lightning, Thunder, flash, smoke, streak, look glass) altogether, they must be out of their mind. And good luck with your strike back, DELL.

Edited 2010-04-22 17:33 UTC

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Real handwriting recognition?
by lopisaur on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 17:40 UTC
lopisaur
Member since:
2006-02-27

You got two typos in there... It's spelled 'lightning', not 'lightening'.
Thunder looks good. Wondering if the two big ones also have handwriting recognition or if just their little brother can read. Hopefully Dell went all the way with a real recognition engine (something like the Newton had, but maybe something that works) and not something like Palm's Graffiti. It's one thing I'm sorely missing on modern smartphones.

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Typo: lightening
by phoenix on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 17:42 UTC
phoenix
Member since:
2005-07-11

Lightening means "to lighten" as in "make the colour lighter".

I think you meant "Lightning" as is "electricity arcing from the clouds to the ground". ;)

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Very predictable
by mrhasbean on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 23:10 UTC
mrhasbean
Member since:
2006-04-03

...while Palm doesn't prohibit you from doing this (like some other companies would), they do warn that this will break your warranty


So let me get this right. They don't prohibit you from doing it (like some other companies apparently would) but it will break your warranty, yet somehow that isn't a way of prohibiting you from doing it? I see. Some of those dirty controlling mongrel car companies put speed and / or rev limiters on their cars to keep them within operational limits in an attempt to prevent injury to their customers too.

Typing on a virtual keyboard (as I do on my iPhone) is HELL, even after having the device for months and months. I was not only faster, but also insanely more accurate on my E71's real keyboard.


Virtual vs physical keyboards are very much personal preference. Personally as someone with big fingers I find physical keyboards on these devices abominable, as does my wife who is vision impaired. Both of us have no problems with speed or accuracy on the iPhone's virtual keyboard. Who knows, maybe virtual keyboards just need a little more dexterity.

Physical keyboards also have more moving parts, so more to break, and are just another orifice on the device to get filled up with crap, and the last thing many people need is another orifice overflowing with crap.

As for the phones themselves, they look good. Good options, good specs, powerful OS choices so they should do well. Of course it's only the beginning - every PC company on the planet will have stuff out before the end of the year and it would be foolish to think Apple won't have a new iPhone too. But competition is good. It means that some companies have to keep innovating to stay ahead.

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RE: Very predictable
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 23:18 UTC in reply to "Very predictable"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

So let me get this right. They don't prohibit you from doing it (like some other companies apparently would) but it will break your warranty, yet somehow that isn't a way of prohibiting you from doing it? I see.


The difference between voiding warranty, and actively lobbying to keep it a criminal offence: you don't get it.

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Hello iDroid
by Bringbackanonposting on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 23:13 UTC
Bringbackanonposting
Member since:
2005-11-16

No comments on Android on iPhone? I think it's huge. Finally there is hope to use this iPhone for something useful and run whatever software we want. Can't wait for the install process and any small issues to be ironed out. Seeya AppStore (ya so and so...)

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RE: Hello iDroid
by stabbyjones on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 23:54 UTC in reply to "Hello iDroid"
stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

Probably because most people that wanted android bought an android phone.

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RE[2]: Hello iDroid
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Fri 23rd Apr 2010 00:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Hello iDroid"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Seconded. The iphone Hardware isn't the best right now: Slower processor, less pixels, non changeable battery. That might change with the new iphone, but not for long.


Apple's history is to launch with competitive ( if not the best) hardware, but can't keep ahead of the competition hardware wise for long.

Edited 2010-04-23 00:47 UTC

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RE[3]: Hello iDroid
by Bringbackanonposting on Fri 23rd Apr 2010 13:45 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Hello iDroid"
Bringbackanonposting Member since:
2005-11-16

That may be, but work gave me one of these blasted iPhones so it would be great to get away from the Appleness. Choice is good. The more users of Android the better. More developers get on board etc. It's a great thing. If this sort of thing never happened we would all be using Microsoft software on our computers instead of all the choices there are today (namely Linux).

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RE: Hello iDroid
by nt_jerkface on Fri 23rd Apr 2010 03:37 UTC in reply to "Hello iDroid"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

The best reason to get an iPhone is the app store. The games selection on Android isn't close to comparable. But if you don't care about games then an Android phone is worth looking at.

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Flash is stunning, Thunder a behemoth
by Lobotomik on Fri 23rd Apr 2010 08:00 UTC
Lobotomik
Member since:
2006-01-03

A larger-than 4" screen and physical QWERTY keyboard make the Thunder a behemoth, incredibly uncomfortable and unsightly to carry in all but the slackest slacks. And unusable with one hand only.

The Flash looks tremendously attractive, though. And it will be much cheaper! I know which one would I choose.

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Sorry to look like a dumb ass...
by vodoomoth on Mon 26th Apr 2010 12:20 UTC
vodoomoth
Member since:
2010-03-30

... but I was expecting a link in the article that I would click to view pictures of the phones. Of all the news that I can see (on pages 1 and 2) in the right side of OSNews, this one is the only one with 0 link.

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redbeard Member since:
2006-03-11

You need to click on the Read More link at the bottom of the summary to get full article which has links

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