Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 27th Jan 2011 20:15 UTC
Google It seems like the content industry has managed to score another hit in its 'fight' against piracy, and this time, it's a big fish. Announced a few weeks ago already, Google has started censoring its auto-complete and instant features for an arbitrary set of search terms - such as 'bittorrent', 'torrent', 'rapidshare', and any terms derived from those (e.g. 'ubuntu torrent' is censored as well).
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Is Google Evil ?
by ramasubbu_sk on Thu 27th Jan 2011 20:19 UTC
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Is Google Evil then ? If they want to stop the piracy, then they should delete lot of Videos from YouTube.

Start the Troll!!

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RE: Is Google Evil ?
by MechR on Thu 27th Jan 2011 21:21 UTC in reply to "Is Google Evil ?"
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2006-01-11

If they want to stop the piracy, then they should delete lot of Videos from YouTube.

But they are. Youtube isn't nearly as useful as it used to be.

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RE: Is Google Evil ?
by ggeldenhuys on Fri 28th Jan 2011 10:28 UTC in reply to "Is Google Evil ?"
ggeldenhuys Member since:
2006-11-13

What piracy is involved if I google "Ubuntu torrent"? That is perfectly legal! As the article says, bittorrent is a legal company and technology without anything to do with piracy. If a company wants to create demo CDs available via torrents, why not.

The Music and Video industries are just so damn stupid at anything they do (especially when it comes to free and open-source users), and to strong arming somebody like Google is absolutely ridiculous.

It's like saying hackers might run Windows OSes, so Google must now ban anything MS Windows related because hackers could find it useful!

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I dare say many Hackers already run Windows among other OS. Perhaps what you meant was "Criminals may use Windows so Google should block search results for that."


Actually, your Hacker example fits in nicely.

Big Media (content sales) would like the masses to believe that Bittorrent is evil and only ever used to comit evil.. and it'll eat your kids and pets of allowed into the home. The reality is that Bittorrent is simply a transfer protocol; one that works well and is popularily used for legal file transfers.

Big Media ("news outlets" now mostly info-tainment) would like the masses to believe that Hackers are inherently evil and only research and commit criminal acts. The reality is that most Hackers are well adjusted, social, self-motivated learners who focus on learning specific topics for recreation; the overly bias prejoritive representation does not reflect reality.

In both cases, corporates with vested self interest are misrepresenting reality at the expense of artists, researchers and the general civilian population.

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legal action?
by Adurbe on Thu 27th Jan 2011 20:34 UTC
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Bittorrent (the company) is surely within their rights to mount legal action for being censored in spite of a legal business model.
Google, being a monopoly, wield to much power to be partial against another business.

I can see the EU mounting action about this as well, sadly, this often takes 2 years...

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v RE: legal action?
by unclefester on Thu 27th Jan 2011 23:18 UTC in reply to "legal action?"
RE[2]: legal action?
by Damnshock on Thu 27th Jan 2011 23:36 UTC in reply to "RE: legal action?"
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Not a company? really?

http://www.bittorrent.com/

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lol
by d.marcu on Thu 27th Jan 2011 20:35 UTC
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These media giants keep on pissing against the wind. Like i use google to search rapidshare/torrent files when i'm looking for something. There are specialized search engines for that.

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Really?
by Soulbender on Thu 27th Jan 2011 20:43 UTC
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"torrent" auto-completes just fine for me using both google.com.ph and google.se.

That said, it's pretty f--king ridiculous. It's like censoring "http" and "ftp" since, you know, you can use those to download copyrighted material.
Out of interest, is the word "warez" also censored?

Edited 2011-01-27 20:46 UTC

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RE: Really?
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 27th Jan 2011 20:50 UTC in reply to "Really?"
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2005-06-29

.com.ph censors them for me? Weird.

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RE[2]: Really?
by Soulbender on Thu 27th Jan 2011 23:59 UTC in reply to "RE: Really?"
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2005-08-18

hmmm..doesn't work for me now either. Guess it took a while for the changes to get everywhere.

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RE: Really?
by computrius on Fri 28th Jan 2011 02:23 UTC in reply to "Really?"
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2006-03-26

warez oddly enough works.

Edit: No it doesnt.

Edited 2011-01-28 02:27 UTC

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Hmm
by Timmmm on Thu 27th Jan 2011 20:49 UTC
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The problem here is, of course, that there is nothing illegal about bittorrent, RapidShare


Technically true, but it's a bit like saying Western Union payments aren't always scams.

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RE: Hmm
by Lennie on Fri 28th Jan 2011 01:09 UTC in reply to "Hmm"
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That is like when you are a US citizen saying: their are not enough choices, let's not vote

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google starts losing its USP
by project_2501 on Thu 27th Jan 2011 20:51 UTC
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This is the year the the previously unstoppable google starts losing mindshare ... all it takes now is a suitably big beast (ibm, yahoo, bing even?) to get a decent search engine with a nice light ui ... and the fact that you know its results aren't prefiltered ... people will put up with a less than smooth experience for better results.

Just the perception that you're missing out will turn people away.

Its what drove people to google in the first place remember.

Edited 2011-01-27 20:59 UTC

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RE: google starts losing its USP
by Aragorn992 on Fri 28th Jan 2011 15:12 UTC in reply to "google starts losing its USP"
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This is the year the the previously unstoppable google starts losing mindshare ... all it takes now is a suitably big beast (ibm, yahoo, bing even?) to get a decent search engine with a nice light ui ... and the fact that you know its results aren't prefiltered ... people will put up with a less than smooth experience for better results.

Just the perception that you're missing out will turn people away.

Its what drove people to google in the first place remember.


They will have to also provide results at least as accurate as Google goes otherwise the perception of "missing out" will be offset by the perception of "it doesn't know what I'm looking for".

This is NOT easy. How many millions has Microsoft spent trying to achieve result quality parity with Google?

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RE: google starts losing its USP
by Wondercool on Fri 28th Jan 2011 20:05 UTC in reply to "google starts losing its USP"
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The good news is: it's already with us!

DuckDuckGo, it's my default searchengine since 3 months.
Very pleasant and load's of features, VERY good privacy policy and lot's of shortcuts

Very much recommended

https://duckduckgo.com/

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project_2501 Member since:
2006-03-20

very pleased to say duckduckgo seems to be very good ... i'll keep an eye on it

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TusharG Member since:
2005-07-06

Also try http://www.blekko.com it's different but once you learn to search the blekko way its handy too!

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Comment by darai
by Darai on Thu 27th Jan 2011 21:06 UTC
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So much for net neutrality, Google. It would just seem awkward that Google do this, especially since they did this by choice.

But I guess it's not all that bad, I mean it still shows up in searches. It's just really a matter of pressing the Enter key. Now if they censored it the search terms altogether, that's a different ball game.

Edited 2011-01-27 21:20 UTC

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Fine with the idea but...
by Ncrdrg on Thu 27th Jan 2011 21:07 UTC
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I'm fine with the idea behind the move : to protect legal works.

However, they really messed up by targeting legal software used for completely legal means as well. Linux distributes itself through torrents and that's a bit ridiculous to block that. Hey, I reinstalled my Ubuntu the yesterday through that.

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Look on the bright side...
by Almafeta on Thu 27th Jan 2011 21:19 UTC
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Google Autocomplete and Google Instant are the biggest anti-features that clutter the Google interface. People who search for torrents using Google now have an improved user interface.

EDIT: Or not. Google seems to be back to using autocomplete and instant with the word 'torrent', at least.

Edited 2011-01-27 21:20 UTC

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RE: Look on the bright side...
by shmerl on Thu 27th Jan 2011 21:23 UTC in reply to "Look on the bright side..."
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Ubuntu torrent works just fine

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All I can say is...
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 27th Jan 2011 21:25 UTC
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"BitTorrent., Inc. is a completely legal company, and the technology around it is also completely legal. Yet, any search term containing these terms will no longer be autocompleted, including things like 'Ubuntu torrent'. People who want to learn about this legal technology through Google are now at a disadvantage."

F***ing bull****. Seriously, this is stupid beyond belief. I will do my part by seriously looking into search engine alternatives (Ixquick and DuckDuckGo are two possibilities I've heard of) as well as continuing to tell people about BitTorrent. As for BitTorrent use myself? I'll continue to use it, f*** you "content industry". And f*** you too, Google, for bending over for the little fleas.

System cleaned, rant over.

Edited 2011-01-27 21:25 UTC

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Funny
by abcxyz on Thu 27th Jan 2011 21:32 UTC
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This is actually quite funny. For instance:

Slackware -> load of suggestions
Slackware b -> load of suggestions
Slackware bi -> load of suggestions
Slackware bit -> umm, blank.

Don't you dare to lookup how to setup your serial port bitrate. Your activities are monitored and will be reported. PIRATE!

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RE: Funny
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 27th Jan 2011 21:34 UTC in reply to "Funny"
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2005-06-29

It's utterly retarded. Google is going to lose users over this. Since I just switched to Windows Phone 7 anyway, I actually pondered starting using Bing.

Fcuking Bing I tell you.

Edited 2011-01-27 21:35 UTC

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RE[2]: Funny
by abcxyz on Thu 27th Jan 2011 21:45 UTC in reply to "RE: Funny"
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2009-07-30

Yeah, I almost miss the good old simple days, when Microsoft was evil and Google said it won't be. Well, I've been getting this sense for a while that big evil is not to be found in Redmond, WA any more (I still stay clear of their products, but it's mostly matter of personal preference and what enables me to be efficient/productive rather than fight against evil at this point). Well, I've switched my default search engine to Bing now, we'll see how that goes.

BTW. Thom, you're style might be hard to swallow for some (even though really that is probably just lack of perspective and sense of humor on receiving end), but over all, good job on dragging big contents and their plots to open daylight. Appreciated.

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RE[2]: Funny
by righard on Thu 27th Jan 2011 21:48 UTC in reply to "RE: Funny"
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2007-12-26

I don't want to use Bing because of dogmatic view of the world, but are there actually any good alternatives?

I know many other search engines but they only seem useful if you'd like to find pictures of Britney Spears, want to know the recipe of cake or want to know if that lump is malignant while being to lazy to visit a doctor.

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RE[3]: Funny
by jack_perry on Thu 27th Jan 2011 22:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Funny"
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2005-07-06

I've found Yahoo!'s search engine to be okay. They're not as good as Google's, but they usually get the job done.

Of course, this is where someone tells me that they're evil, too.

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RE[4]: Funny
by MamiyaOtaru on Thu 27th Jan 2011 22:53 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Funny"
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yahoo's search engine is Bing

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RE[3]: Funny
by Laurence on Thu 27th Jan 2011 23:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Funny"
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I don't want to use Bing because of dogmatic view of the world, but are there actually any good alternatives?

I know many other search engines but they only seem useful if you'd like to find pictures of Britney Spears, want to know the recipe of cake or want to know if that lump is malignant while being to lazy to visit a doctor.

Aside Google, Yahoo and Bing, the only other search engine I know of that doesn't just echo a feed from the aforementioned is Ask.com

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RE[3]: Funny
by helf on Thu 27th Jan 2011 23:42 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Funny"
helf Member since:
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This is my personal favorite - http://duckduckgo.com/

Its great and constantly improving.

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RE[3]: Funny
by Neolander on Fri 28th Jan 2011 11:48 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Funny"
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2010-03-08

I mostly use DuckDuckGo on my main PC. AFAIK, it's based on yahoo, but the interface is much, MUCH cleaner. Also, I like their privacy statement.

Works well for text searches, no image search functionality yet though.

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RE[2]: Funny
by Soulbender on Fri 28th Jan 2011 00:00 UTC in reply to "RE: Funny"
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Uh, do you actually use the autocomplete feature? It's not like you don't get results back from searching for torrents.

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RE[3]: Funny
by WereCatf on Fri 28th Jan 2011 04:37 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Funny"
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2006-02-15

Uh, do you actually use the autocomplete feature? It's not like you don't get results back from searching for torrents.


It doesn't matter whether we use it or not, there's plenty of not-so-technical people who do. Besides, once Google starts censoring stuff it's only a matter of time before the amount of censorship escalates. THAT is the thing people here are so adverse to, including me.

EDIT: Tried to straighten up my English. You shouldn't be writing comments in the middle of the night after been awake for 20+ hours and after carrying 3 truckloads of stuff to new apartment.. :S

Edited 2011-01-28 04:40 UTC

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RE: Funny
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 27th Jan 2011 21:45 UTC in reply to "Funny"
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That is actually an amusing find. Downright pathetic, Google...

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RE: Funny
by KrustyVader on Thu 27th Jan 2011 22:01 UTC in reply to "Funny"
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2006-10-28

"idsoftware torrent" won't give any suggestion either.

But the first result was:
http://zerowing.idsoftware.com
and also correct my question to:
"id software torrent"

Zerowing is ID Software's Bittorrent Tracker.

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RE: Funny
by Morgan on Fri 28th Jan 2011 03:54 UTC in reply to "Funny"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I tried the same test and had some interesting results.

Slackware = suggestions
Slackware b = suggestions
Slackware bi = suggestions
Slackware bit = "Google Instant is off due to connection speed. Press Enter to search."

Interestingly, my connection speed had not changed, and it's more than fast enough for autocomplete. Also I repeated this test numerous times and had the exact same results every time. If I typed "Slackware bittorrent" really fast I got the same connection speed error. If I typed it slowly, one character at a time I got suggestions after each letter until the "t", then it went to the error message.

Even stranger, "Ubuntu torrent" gave suggestions until I typed the first "t" on "torrent", and from that point the suggestion box simply didn't appear. There were no error messages. Once I had typed the full word "torrent" I started getting suggestions again, such as "Ubuntu torrent 9.04" etc.


Curiouser and curiouser.


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For reference, I live in the Southeastern United States, and I'm connected via T-mobile 3G with an average connection speed of 1.4Mbps, in Windows XP and using the latest Firefox release.

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RE[2]: Funny
by abcxyz on Sat 29th Jan 2011 00:47 UTC in reply to "RE: Funny"
abcxyz Member since:
2009-07-30

I suppose:

a) this behavior might be geo specific.
b) they are still tweaking it.

At the moment: "Slackware bit" goes blank on suggestion and instant results for me. If I keep typing for instance bitrate, instant results resume to be displayed once I punch the "r" in, but not so suggestions.

If I dare and for instance try figuring out where to look for Slackware media distribution via bittorent. I get blank for suggestions and instant results "Slackware bit" through "Slackware bittorren". Funnily, once I hit "Bit torrent" I get some results displayed and few suggestions (client, package, firewall, howto).

I guess Google is still working on this and the goal would be to make censorship as seamless as possible. "What the eyes don't see, the heart doesn't grieve over."

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RE: Funny
by shmerl on Fri 28th Jan 2011 05:40 UTC in reply to "Funny"
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2010-06-08

Very funny yes. Google looks totally stupid with this.

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better then a game
by Janvl on Thu 27th Jan 2011 22:09 UTC
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2007-02-20

I am figuring out when I get proposals and when not, and that is FUN! From "bit" until "bittorren" I get a blank but with "bittorrent" I get a list of proposals, wow this is really funny! Looks like Google has Alzheimer or something like it.
Go on Thom, make a new headline "Google has Alzheimer!", I will see if google can find that.

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Let's not be dramatic :)
by jaimegomez on Thu 27th Jan 2011 22:45 UTC
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Google have obviously been under a lot of pressure for years, and maybe if a lawyer was running the company they would do this stuff more often, but don't forget what they tried to do in China, what other company would do such a crazy thing? And now Larry Page is taking over, so I wouldn't expect him to be any less angry than all of us over this news.

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RE: Let's not be dramatic :)
by vodoomoth on Fri 28th Jan 2011 11:16 UTC in reply to "Let's not be dramatic :)"
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2010-03-30

And now Larry Page is taking over, so I wouldn't expect him to be any less angry than all of us over this news.

He's taking over. Has this been decided by someone below him in the hierarchy and he's discovering it now? I doubt it. I he was to be angry, he would have been and stopped this from happening. I fail to see why the deep-pocket juggernaut that Google is has to cave under that pressure. What kind of retaliation are they fearing?
So much for "do no evil" and "net neutrality". That's so hypocritical of them.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

What is Google being threatened with? Probably content. They have the Android software marketplace, they want the Android content marketplace. Big content now has a lever through which to apply stronger pressure.

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Everyone should try out my fav engine
by helf on Thu 27th Jan 2011 23:46 UTC
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http://duckduckgo.com/

it's pretty great and constantly being improved.

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orfanum Member since:
2006-06-02

Just tested it: I very much like the disambiguation feature - have now found some new academic references that Google has *never* thrown up.

I guess Google is asking us to see five fingers more often than not, these days...

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helf Member since:
2005-07-06

yeah. Googles search results have been seriously lacking the past few years. Way too much rank abuse. Its really kinda sad.

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ok, so?
by eydaimon on Thu 27th Jan 2011 23:48 UTC
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I've already moved on to use duckduckgo.com

so yeah, go ahead google. censor all you want.

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RE: ok, so?
by Tuishimi on Fri 28th Jan 2011 07:21 UTC in reply to "ok, so?"
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2005-07-06

I had never heard of that before now. It's pretty slick!

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RE[2]: ok, so?
by vodoomoth on Fri 28th Jan 2011 11:19 UTC in reply to "RE: ok, so?"
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2010-03-30

There is also exalead.com
Their slice charts are the thing I like most about them. Not the search results.

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ducky duck duck!
by fengshaun on Thu 27th Jan 2011 23:54 UTC
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Thanks a lot guys for recommending duckduckgo, it's not my default search engine! I've been using bing for a long while now, but DDG is the way to go!

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Who uses google for torrents...
by krom on Fri 28th Jan 2011 04:31 UTC
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2006-09-29

...when you have torrentz.com?

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Here's a solution to the filetypes
by atriq on Fri 28th Jan 2011 04:39 UTC
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2007-10-18

Start calling bittorrent files ".schmidt" files. ;)

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

That will work for exactly as long as it takes for media companies and Google to figure it out. It's a band-aid and not a final solution.

The only way to stop this kind of garbage (if it's even possible) is to put the big media companies out of business. Problem is, almost all of us are hooked. I personally listen to mostly indie and self-produced music these days, but not everyone's tastes lie that way. Also, what little television I like is all mainstream, and a lot of it is unsafe to torrent because they are really watching the p2p streams and reporting to ISPs. I wouldn't dare risk a box office torrent.

Besides, if you must stick with mainstream entertainment, why torrent movies at all (at least here in the States) when Netflix and Redbox are so cheap and easy? Gone are the days of $5 Blockbuster rentals that are never in stock on release day. Between the above services and free digital TV via the antenna in my attic, I'm covered on visual entertainment.

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First thing I did...
by Tuishimi on Fri 28th Jan 2011 07:18 UTC
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...First thing I did when Google added instant search was to turn it off. I find it annoying and distracting.

So it still works fine for me.

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RE: First thing I did...
by Kalessin on Fri 28th Jan 2011 22:26 UTC in reply to "First thing I did..."
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Indeed. I hate autocomplete. And it's not like they're censoring the search results. So, it really doesn't affect me. And for that matter, if I'm looking for torrents, I'm not usually using google anyway. There are torrent sites for that.

The fact that the censorship is happening is somewhat worrisome, but all it really does is stop people from stumbling on bittorrent stuff. And it's not like people were going to stumble on it anyway, since it does take a bit of research to even know what a torrent is. so, the censorship is stupid, but it really doesn't do anything.

It's like setting up a one foot wall and refusing to tell people what's on the other side. You can clearly see over it, and you can walk over it just fine. It stops nothing. But they can say that they built a wall...

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RE[2]: First thing I did...
by WorknMan on Sat 29th Jan 2011 00:42 UTC in reply to "RE: First thing I did..."
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Indeed. I hate autocomplete. And it's not like they're censoring the search results. So, it really doesn't affect me. And for that matter, if I'm looking for torrents, I'm not usually using google anyway. There are torrent sites for that.


Actually, I kind of like that they're removing this from auto complete, because it's rather annoying when you're NOT looking for torrents, and the first several pages of search results for whatever you're searching for are for downloading torrents.

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+/-
by 2e7ah on Fri 28th Jan 2011 09:24 UTC
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I feel fine with this, although maybe Google should let users set this as option in engine settings, and set it by default as is now
Not only that, I wish Google give me choice to block all those stupid warez results when I'm searching for some product

Cheers

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RE: +/- - you'll still get malicious results
by jabbotts on Fri 28th Jan 2011 19:30 UTC in reply to "+/-"
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2007-09-06

You'll still get malware drop sites in the results, you just won't get anything in the Instant Search or Suggestions if it includes one of the new bad words; torrent, bittorrent.

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Then
by soulrebel123 on Fri 28th Jan 2011 12:21 UTC
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I'll just move to another search engine, one not run by an evil corporation!

Doh

Seriously, alternatives to Google/MS?

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Comment by Lava_Croft
by Lava_Croft on Fri 28th Jan 2011 12:57 UTC
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They could just apply Dutch law to Google and force them to show unfiltered results. Or make Google note to every user that the results they are seeing are filtered by Google for the good of the content industry.

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RE: Comment by Lava_Croft
by Lava_Croft on Fri 28th Jan 2011 13:51 UTC in reply to "Comment by Lava_Croft"
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I want to note that the censoring mentioned here does seems to be disabled again over at my place in Holland.

See http://lcd.satgnu.net/pics/desktop/gcensorship.png

Edited 2011-01-28 13:55 UTC

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Comment by rafaelnp
by rafaelnp on Fri 28th Jan 2011 13:10 UTC
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What a crap. Sjame on you Google.

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Comment by AnythingButVista
by AnythingButVista on Fri 28th Jan 2011 14:02 UTC
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2008-08-27

Time is proving me right. Those who have regarded Google as the messiah of our digital world are finally opening their eyes as their savior starts to retract its horns and claws. Like I said, the list of Top 5 evil companies is:
1. Apple
2. Google
3. <placeholder>
4. <placeholder>
5. Microsoft

Mark my words (I'm sure Google's spies already are): The world is not going to actually reach its end in 2012. 2012 is the year of Google's demise but because we have surrendered so much of our personal lives to them, it's going to impact us like the end of the world. This is just the beginning. Google is showing its true colors.

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Google is duckduckgone for me
by Zippy on Fri 28th Jan 2011 14:57 UTC
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2008-04-02

I switched.
No more google in my house ;)

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RE: Google is duckduckgone for me
by Wondercool on Fri 28th Jan 2011 20:27 UTC in reply to "Google is duckduckgone for me"
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2005-07-08

It is incredible hard to get rid of Google.
For instance, in the Security Tab of Firefox are 2 tick boxes:

Block reported attack sites and Block reported web forgeries

These boxes are default on and it means that EVERY URL that you visit is send to a Google service that checks the website. Now, I don't know if Google uses this information but it does not matter: you don't want to give this information to Google!

I ticked them off. Note I had not any warning in 4 years when I was using it!

Also: if you really need Google as searchengine, there is great firefox plugin called GoogleSharing which is a proxy to Google. It ensures your IP cannot be associated to your search terms.

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Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

These boxes are default on and it means that EVERY URL that you visit is send to a Google service that checks the website.

There is a file in your Firefox profile folder named urlclassifier3.sqlite.
EVERY URL that you visit is
checked against that file.

kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Firefox#Files

Edited 2011-01-30 12:32 UTC

Reply Score: 3

duckduckgo!
by vaette on Fri 28th Jan 2011 15:52 UTC
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Member since:
2008-08-09

Man, this thread did me a huge service by pointing out duckduckgo, it is truly awesome. For the people who haven't tried yet, here is a sample of searches (list of what it can do here: http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html):

http://duckduckgo.com/?q=volume+of+a+sphere+of+radius+sqrt%282~...
http://duckduckgo.com/?q=sweden
http://duckduckgo.com/?q=pw

Syntax to search other services (huuuge list here: http://duckduckgo.com/bang.html):

http://duckduckgo.com/?q=%21imdb+brazil
http://duckduckgo.com/?q=%21man+less
http://duckduckgo.com/?q=%21upackages+SDL

And the "normal" search results are great too (powered by Yahoo behind the scenes), all this with a great privacy statement: http://duckduckgo.com/privacy.html

OSnews needs to get a good review of this excellent service up on the main page at once ;)

Edited 2011-01-28 15:53 UTC

Reply Score: 4

I dislike those "features" anyway..
by judgen on Fri 28th Jan 2011 16:09 UTC
judgen
Member since:
2006-07-12

Maybe it is the purist in me, but I always disable the instantcomplete, safe search, sidebar, preview, localization and all other bells and whistles through firefox addons. I have no need for them at all so this at it's current state does not affect me the least. But i should mention that i do think censorship of other people is wrong by any definition and should not be permitted.

Reply Score: 2

Comment by zhuravlik
by zhuravlik on Fri 28th Jan 2011 16:41 UTC
zhuravlik
Member since:
2009-08-24

I think it would be a chance for me to try
http://www.yandex.com
which has a suggestion "slackware 13.1 torrent" third in it's list for "slackware". =)

Reply Score: 1

B!tt0rrent
by pmac on Fri 28th Jan 2011 18:00 UTC
pmac
Member since:
2009-07-08

Bittorrent will just become b!tt0rrent etc., if this is a sign of things to come. It's really pointless. If they censor words, the words will evolve. That doesn't change the fact that to censor in the first place is outrageous.

Reply Score: 1

RE: B!tt0rrent
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Fri 28th Jan 2011 19:52 UTC in reply to "B!tt0rrent"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Exactly. Either that or the pirating community might smartly decide to call it something common, such that it couldn't be censored.

Edited 2011-01-28 19:52 UTC

Reply Score: 2

Funny, dumb.
by Bounty on Fri 28th Jan 2011 19:46 UTC
Bounty
Member since:
2006-09-18

I tend to be against mass pirating of copyrighted material, but what Google has done is pathetic. Stupid. Worse than actually censoring links to copyrighted material.

Reply Score: 2

Abandoning Common Carrier?
by mutantsushi on Sat 29th Jan 2011 04:52 UTC
mutantsushi
Member since:
2006-08-18

Actions like this just don´t make any sense, even in Google´s literal self interest.
It´s basically abandoning any right to claim common carrier status.
If you want that status, you have to act as a neutral network provider. Any non-neutral acts remove that status, even for areas where you CHOOSE to act ´neutrally´, because you´ve demonstrated that you do not act neutrally ALL the time, and on principle, but only when you WANT to.

What this means, and what Google´s shareholders should question, is that Google is now more on the hook for any activities it facilitates.

Common carrier is Google´s best defense against Big Content, yet Google wants to throw it away to make them happy for some abstract reason... Fucking idiots. Even if they think they´re getting better treatment for YouTube or something, they´re making themselves utterly vulnerable in the long run.

Reply Score: 1

Probably legal reasons...
by abraxas on Sat 29th Jan 2011 12:02 UTC
abraxas
Member since:
2005-07-07

Mostly likely this is a move to quash any legal issues that arise from "suggestions" Google makes concerning downloading copyrighted material. Static results will show EVERYTHING. These "suggestions" do not so if a torrent for copyrighted material shows up in these suggestions instead of the actual product (CD, etc) a case could be made that Google is encouraging copyright infringement.

As another comment pointed out if Google removed all references to "torrent" then this would be a real issue. As it stands I don't think it's a big deal. It's just not a fight worth fighting for Google.

Reply Score: 2

Torrent search
by Alex_lux on Sat 29th Jan 2011 15:33 UTC
Alex_lux
Member since:
2011-01-29

Certainly I don’t understand such arrival on Torrent. Probably it is connected with pressure from legal owners. After such statement I for myself have found torrent search engine http://www.torrentoff.com. Fortunately today it is a lot of them. Thus I have solved for myself a problem of search of torrent-files.

Reply Score: 1

Google alternatives
by TusharG on Mon 31st Jan 2011 08:10 UTC
TusharG
Member since:
2005-07-06

Since everyone here is talking about google alternatives... I'd also like to point out www.blekko.com

Reply Score: 2