Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Apr 2018 10:25 UTC
Windows

The Windows File Manager lives again and runs on all currently supported version of Windows, including Windows 10. I welcome your thoughts, comments and suggestions.

Open source under an MIT-license, and runs on modern versions of Windows. This is certainly a blast from the past.

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Awesome!
by The123king on Mon 9th Apr 2018 12:33 UTC
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2009-05-28

And it's MIT licensed too! Looks like ReactOS can include a file manager that actually works from now on.

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v RE: Awesome!
by Kochise on Mon 9th Apr 2018 17:43 UTC in reply to "Awesome!"
RE[2]: Awesome!
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 9th Apr 2018 21:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Awesome!"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

No. No one actually expects them to do all the work. They take the really difficult parts from Wine, and repackage them as an OS. Still difficult work, but being open source they share with others, and that's a good thing.

As for being able to create a file manager on their own, well its been a while since I tried React. It was pretty much garbage the last time I tried it 7-8 years ago with my simple win32 hello world program from early 2000s crashing and burning. But, I'm sure they've made a lot of progress since then.

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RE[3]: Awesome!
by ebasconp on Tue 10th Apr 2018 03:34 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Awesome!"
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2006-05-09

No. No one actually expects them to do all the work. They take the really difficult parts from Wine, and repackage them as an OS. Still difficult work...


Though you are right with Wine providing difficult parts, what they provide is still userland working in userland.

The really really difficult part is the NT kernel they were able to implement: Device driver infrastructure, file system infrastructure, scheduling, virtual memory management, networking, etc.

Edited 2018-04-10 03:35 UTC

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RE[4]: Awesome!
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 10th Apr 2018 13:21 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Awesome!"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

True, its not an easy job they have for themselves. Any operating system kernel is not easy.

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RE[2]: Awesome!
by nicubunu on Tue 10th Apr 2018 12:37 UTC in reply to "RE: Awesome!"
nicubunu Member since:
2014-01-08

Wine File Manager provides only a basic set of feaures, the ones needed for, you know, file management. It simply can't support extra-features linked to the Windows OS because... it is not supposed to work on top of the Windows OS. For example it can't add SMB shares because Wine does not require Samba in order to work.

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RE[3]: Awesome!
by The123king on Tue 10th Apr 2018 16:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Awesome!"
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2009-05-28

Buuuut ReactOS ships with it's own implementation of explorer, which is buggy due to incomplete shell32 API's. Given that FileManager has roots in Win3.1 (before shell32 was implemented), it should work better on ReactOS

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Just the beginning...
by cjcox on Mon 9th Apr 2018 16:46 UTC
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2006-12-21

I think next week they're planning on releasing Trumpet Winsock under an MIT license. Perfect for you modem users out there (finally!).

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RE: Just the beginning...
by Lennie on Wed 11th Apr 2018 12:36 UTC in reply to "Just the beginning..."
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2007-09-22

As many know Trumpet Winsock is not from Microsoft.

And the creator never got a lot of money, so I doubt willing to spend any time on such a thing.

Maybe it would change if a lot of people donate:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2282875

Edited 2018-04-11 12:37 UTC

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v fantastic
by hdjhfds on Mon 9th Apr 2018 17:51 UTC
RE: fantastic
by Vistaus on Tue 10th Apr 2018 09:29 UTC in reply to "fantastic"
Vistaus Member since:
2018-03-21

Obsolete code wouldn't even be able to run on modern versions of Windows. They actually did take the time to convert the source code so that it runs on modern versions Windows *AND* they also extended the original version so that it has a few more modern features.

So all in all, they did more than just release a bunch of old source code.

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Finally!
by fretinator on Mon 9th Apr 2018 18:22 UTC
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2005-07-06

I've always hated Explorer, and one of the first things I always install with a new Windows machine is PowerDesk - a File-Manger-like clone. I always configure it with 2 panes split vertically in the style of Norton (and Midnight) Commander. I downloaded the source and used Visual Studio community to build it. It's b-a-a-a-a-c-k! It only took 23 years...

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Hoorah!
by Moochman on Mon 9th Apr 2018 19:03 UTC
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2005-07-06

I always liked File Manager a lot more than Explorer - just seemed more logical to see the physical disk structure as opposed to the whole My Computer, My Documents etc. I'm excited to give it a spin again after all these years ;)

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v RE: Hoorah!
by tidux on Mon 9th Apr 2018 19:45 UTC in reply to "Hoorah!"
RE[2]: Hoorah!
by Kochise on Mon 9th Apr 2018 20:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Hoorah!"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Or because the directory structure got completely berserk and complexly nested hierarchy. Regarding the Docs, Images, Sounds, Downloads links, I really thank Microsoft for this neat trick that help my parents to find their way without needing useless knowledge of the file system organization. Power users knows their shit and won't bother with that anyway.

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v Nice news. But...
by Mark0 on Mon 9th Apr 2018 20:37 UTC
DOpus
by tingo on Tue 10th Apr 2018 09:07 UTC
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2007-10-13

I prefer Directory Opus (the amiga version). Worker is a nice clone / work-alike of that.

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Would like to try it
by ThomasFuhringer on Tue 10th Apr 2018 13:34 UTC
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2007-01-25

I wish somebody would compile it and put a binary somewhere for our convenience.

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RE: Would like to try it
by daphil on Tue 10th Apr 2018 15:30 UTC in reply to "Would like to try it"
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2018-04-10
RE[2]: Would like to try it
by ThomasFuhringer on Wed 11th Apr 2018 06:35 UTC in reply to "RE: Would like to try it"
ThomasFuhringer Member since:
2007-01-25

Thanks!

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Comment by judgen
by judgen on Tue 10th Apr 2018 19:16 UTC
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2006-07-12

At least better than nautilus. Awful crap.

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I guess no one read the CLA.
by oiaohm on Wed 11th Apr 2018 23:01 UTC
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2009-05-30

https://opensource.microsoft.com/pdf/microsoft-contribution-license-...

Its one thing to be open source. Its another to be useful.

Microsoft CLA prevents many parties from working with upstream.


MIT provides no patent grant So any new feature added to winfile could get you into legal trouble.

You grant Microsoft, and those who receive the
Submission directly or indirectly from Microsoft.


This means to be sure your patch is covered you have to submit it upstream.

This is a clause and half appears on the patent grant and the copyright grant. Also you only get this if you sign the CLA. So just downloading winfile and building it with MIT license you are not ensured for patent grant.

This is the one issue with CLA yes to submit is one thing but CLA like Microsoft start covering items you need to generally distribute it and those items really should have been part of the general source code license/licenses.

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Knocked that old thing on the head
by rtfa on Thu 12th Apr 2018 11:10 UTC
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2006-02-27

when xtree and xtree-gold emerged

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