Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Jul 2018 23:11 UTC, submitted by judgen
SuSE, openSUSE

SUSE, the open source software company, has been sold to a Swedish private equity firm.

EQT Partners will acquire SUSE from current owners Micro Focus in a deal worth $2.5 billion USD and is expected to close in early 2019.

EQT is described as “a development-focused investor with extensive experience in the software industry”.

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Whoa WTF
by Poseidon on Wed 4th Jul 2018 00:09 UTC
Poseidon
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2009-10-31

Chalk this up on the "I never thought this would happen" category, but ok. So does this mean that it was not doing good? It's been a while since I have used it.

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RE: Whoa WTF
by acobar on Wed 4th Jul 2018 01:31 UTC in reply to "Whoa WTF"
acobar Member since:
2005-11-15

SUSE is doing well, the company that bought them before, Micro Focus, as part of Attachmate buyout, needed the money because they made a bad investment on HPE software division.

Also, the focus of Micro Focus (that's funny!) is more like support for some bygone venerable tech, so, SUSE was a bit unaligned to their core business.

At least, that is what I have read.

Edited 2018-07-04 01:37 UTC

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RE[2]: Whoa WTF
by jh27 on Fri 6th Jul 2018 15:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Whoa WTF"
jh27 Member since:
2018-07-06

>> the focus of Micro Focus (that's funny!) is more like support for some bygone venerable tech, so, SUSE was a bit unaligned to their core business

SUSE was acquired when they bought Novell, the fact that they are selling SUSE and not Novell (assuming there is still a separate Novell) would tie in with that. TBH I wasn't aware Micro Focus still existed, I know them for Micro Focus COBOL ;)

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RE: Whoa WTF
by Ford Prefect on Wed 4th Jul 2018 13:53 UTC in reply to "Whoa WTF"
Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16

SuSE is doing extremely well, they were bought by Novell for $210 million back in 2004, now sold for $2.535 billion.

They currently employ around 1,400 people and they regularly contribute to the GNU/Linux and open-source community in a similar fashion to Red Hat.

SuSE can be seen as the European counterpart to Red Hat and played a major role in the formation of the exceptionally strong GNU/Linux and KDE communities in Germany.

Many people are making fun about SuSE's individual approaches with YaST etc., which back in the nineties really did encourage and enable many novice users to run their own Linux system. Sure YaST has its shortcomings, but SuSE's distributions as a whole were always quite reasonably put together. During all the time, SuSE was always a well-respected citizen in the community.

Edited 2018-07-04 13:54 UTC

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RE: Whoa WTF
by krylon on Wed 4th Jul 2018 17:17 UTC in reply to "Whoa WTF"
krylon Member since:
2018-07-04

I have been running openSUSE Tumbleweed on my desktop for the past ~15 months, and I have been quite happy.

I have no clue how their enterprise offerings are doing, but the community distro is very much alive.

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v meh...
by codifies on Wed 4th Jul 2018 07:45 UTC
v RE: meh...
by freebsdx on Wed 4th Jul 2018 09:43 UTC in reply to "meh..."
RE[2]: meh...
by Jondice on Wed 4th Jul 2018 10:59 UTC in reply to "RE: meh..."
Jondice Member since:
2006-09-20

You may have a good point; it has been a long time since I used SuSE, but back in high school (17 years or more ago), SuSE was my favorite distro. YaST seemed impressive for most tasks as I recall, and it made me feel as if I were using a system more polished than Windows, in a way.

But 5+ or so years down the road, I was bitten by many issues while trying to manage an OS X cluster on which Apple Remote Desktop (or whatever it was called) didn't work for obscure reasons I can't recall. Doing any configuration changes over SSH was nearly impossible. So I had to be physically present to login to the system for many issues.

So I guess this comment is more of a strike against OS X than SuSE, but, to the extent that this is true for SuSE, I can now appreciate the perspective.

These days, I'm a NixOS wannabe fanboy though, so I'm all about textual configuration (among others).

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RE[3]: meh...
by smashIt on Wed 4th Jul 2018 11:11 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: meh..."
smashIt Member since:
2005-07-06

I still remember my first try of Suse 6.2 and Yast2.
I had to choose between "3-Button Mouse" and "3-Button Mouse with scroll wheel" but the second option was cut off after "3-Button Mouse" thanks to crappy interface-design.

Took my a while to figure that out...

:D

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RE[3]: meh...
by Jondice on Thu 5th Jul 2018 13:59 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: meh..."
Jondice Member since:
2006-09-20

It would be interesting to know what I said to get a downvote. I can only assume it was my comment on OS X.

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RE[3]: meh...
by rft183 on Thu 5th Jul 2018 15:39 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: meh..."
rft183 Member since:
2005-08-11

It was my favorite as well about that same time. I was in college, and I used to love getting the boxes of SuSE with their big, fat manuals and CDs and DVDs... It's been a long time since I've really used SuSE regularly, though. When I do try it nowadays, it feels a bit sluggish.

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RE[2]: meh...
by cmost on Thu 5th Jul 2018 12:37 UTC in reply to "RE: meh..."
cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

You do realize that most mainstream Linux users don't really care if systemD is being used or not.

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RE[2]: meh...
by grat on Thu 5th Jul 2018 22:05 UTC in reply to "RE: meh..."
grat Member since:
2006-02-02

SuSe was one of those who centralized the system control through yast and yast2 ever since the beginning, making admins life more harder to directly edit configuration files, I m even surprised they didn't come up with systemD at the first place.

Well, your information is certainly up to date for SuSE 7.x. Too bad that was 10 years ago.

suseconfig, or whatever it was, has been long gone, and yast directly edits those config files now. So you can either do it yourself, and never load yast, or you can use yast to make changes.

It's actually pretty good at pulling in your customized settings and integrating them into the yast menu, so you can even use both-- yast2 is very good for advanced networking setup, and for things like joining a domain, which requires a series of tedious steps-- but it's absolutely not required any more.

When you needed to install custom made rpms, 3rd party drivers etc you ended up in a dependency hell.

opensuse build service. Add the repo, use zypper, forget about dependency hell. Yes, if you use "rpm --force --nodeps" you can screw yourself into the ground, but only an idiot would do that.

zypper has allowed in-place upgrades between distributions for years now, and combined with the btfrs snapshots, it's trivially easy to roll back updates-- but I've never had to.

When you wanted to compile a stripped down custom kernel for your hw it most likely broke half of the startup script which relied on some built in feature or something being a "module".

With most modules being dynamic, you don't need a custom stripped down kernel-- unlike FreeBSD, where it's a common practice, under linux, you just don't load those modules.

I could never make myself use SuSe because of these and now why would I care when there are just way better distros out there like Devuan where we are not forced to use shtD.


Well, it's obvious you didn't know what you were doing under SuSE, so it's difficult to take your criticism seriously.

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RE[2]: meh...
by moondevil on Fri 6th Jul 2018 06:21 UTC in reply to "RE: meh..."
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

UNIX closed source companies came up with systemd like solutions before the Linux world did.

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Comment by kurkosdr
by kurkosdr on Wed 4th Jul 2018 09:09 UTC
kurkosdr
Member since:
2011-04-11

A part of me wants this company to pull a Darwin and create a world-class experience on top of the Linux kernel and userland, propietary or open-source. But it probably won't happen. This needs to much money...

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RE: Comment by kurkosdr
by moondevil on Fri 6th Jul 2018 06:24 UTC in reply to "Comment by kurkosdr"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

That time is now gone, it was the early 2000, when we still believed on the Linux desktop idea.

Now in a world where Android and ChromeOS couldn't care one second what kernel they actually use, and we have GNU/Windows alongside N̶e̶X̶T̶S̶T̶E̶P̶ macOS, I don't believe it will ever happen.

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RE[2]: Comment by kurkosdr
by zima on Tue 10th Jul 2018 00:15 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by kurkosdr"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

N̶e̶X̶T̶S̶T̶E̶P̶

How did you do this crossed out NeXTSTEP? ;) Seems I can't replicate it in notepad by trying to copy one of the "-"... it gets selected together with its letter.

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Thumps up for SuSE
by PedroReina on Wed 4th Jul 2018 16:39 UTC
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Member since:
2018-01-14

Long time ago (around 2000), I set up a computer classroom for my high school pupils. Beeing a free software advocate, I went to an international event asking for promotion posters to decorate the classroom. The SuSE representatives were of the most generous donators. They even gave us a complete 6.2 box, including support, although I said the OS of choice were Debian.

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Zypper
by IndigoJo on Wed 4th Jul 2018 16:49 UTC
IndigoJo
Member since:
2005-07-06

Can you even think of a single unique reason to use the free openSUSE over other popular Linux distros?

Zypper and YaST.

I find it the best and easiest to use package management of any open-source OS, along with the RPM back-end of course. It's very easy to vary the dependencies according to which version of the OS you are building for when writing an RPM spec (e.g. Qt 4 vs 5 in my case), which is not so simple when building DEB packages for Ubuntu.

Plus, when you install OpenSUSE, the entire library is available for you to choose from; you don't have to install it from the command-line afterwards. And they're hierarchically organised into categories -- Development, then C++, Python, Ruby, Qt 4, Qt 5, GTK ... not just "Development" as on Debian.

Edited 2018-07-04 16:50 UTC

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RE: Zypper
by kurkosdr on Wed 4th Jul 2018 19:09 UTC in reply to "Zypper"
kurkosdr Member since:
2011-04-11

I find it the best and easiest to use package management of any open-source OS, along with the RPM back-end of course. It's very easy to vary the dependencies according to which version of the OS you are building for when writing an RPM spec (e.g. Qt 4 vs 5 in my case), which is not so simple when building DEB packages for Ubuntu.


Sshhh... You risk alienating the Debianfolk and their unsubstantiated claims of .deb being the "true" package manager of FOSSland, and you know how uppity the Debianfolk can get over inconsequential issues such as rivalries between compressed archive formats that can be losslessly converted from one to another.

Edited 2018-07-04 19:16 UTC

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RE[2]: Zypper
by cmost on Thu 5th Jul 2018 12:31 UTC in reply to "RE: Zypper"
cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

Haha! I'm a long-time Debian aficionado having used it or one of its offspring for the better part of 10 years. That being said, I have also used RPM based distribution (my favorite by far was PCLinuxOS which was my daily driver for a few years and had the unmitigated gall to use Synptic as the GUI frontend.) I don't think any one package format is superior to another in this day and age of advanced GUI package managers.

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RE[2]: Zypper
by grat on Thu 5th Jul 2018 22:09 UTC in reply to "RE: Zypper"
grat Member since:
2006-02-02

Let's clear some common errors up:

.deb is not a package manager.

.deb and .rpm files are packages.

The commands dpkg and rpm are package utilities for those packages.

apt/aptitude, yum and zypper are package managers.

fpm is god's gift to system administrators (thank you Jordan Sissel!!).

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RE[3]: Zypper
by jh27 on Fri 6th Jul 2018 15:32 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Zypper"
jh27 Member since:
2018-07-06

>> The commands dpkg and rpm are package utilities for those packages.

>> apt/aptitude, yum and zypper are package managers.

I would have said it is the other way round dpkg and rpm are the package manager / package management system. Apt and yum are package management utilities or perhaps repository managers.

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This will not end well
by shotsman on Thu 5th Jul 2018 06:50 UTC
shotsman
Member since:
2005-07-22

Most VC's are nothing more that debt engines. By that I mean that they buy companies and then a couple of years later they sell and move on with most of the time, the company they leave behind is saddled with debt that is the residue from the asset stripping and cash leeching that the VC's need to do do fund their lavish lifestyle and their next victim.

Good luck SUSE, you are going to need it.

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RE: This will not end well
by Cutterman on Thu 5th Jul 2018 17:28 UTC in reply to "This will not end well"
Cutterman Member since:
2006-04-10

I'm afraid I have to agree with you there.

Most VCs just buy-up, monetize and move on. That's why their shareholders pay the CEOs etc., such unbelievable sums.

Fcuk the users, fcuk the developers, fcuk the coders.

Next please!

Mac

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RE: This will not end well
by grat on Thu 5th Jul 2018 22:13 UTC in reply to "This will not end well"
grat Member since:
2006-02-02

Most VC's are nothing more that debt engines.

I have the same concern. Some research, though, finds a quote from 2011 (not as recent as I'd like) regarding EQT:

In its 17-year history, the private equity firm has invested in 85 businesses, which under its ownership have increased annual revenue by 12 percent on average and added staff at nearly the same rate.

So there's some hope.

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RE: This will not end well
by leech on Sun 8th Jul 2018 16:30 UTC in reply to "This will not end well"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

Most VC's are nothing more that debt engines. By that I mean that they buy companies and then a couple of years later they sell and move on with most of the time, the company they leave behind is saddled with debt that is the residue from the asset stripping and cash leeching that the VC's need to do do fund their lavish lifestyle and their next victim.

Good luck SUSE, you are going to need it.


Commodore flashback!

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