Linked by Daniel de Kok on Tue 18th Mar 2003 19:37 UTC
Slackware, Slax This short preview is based on my experiences with Slackware Linux 9.0-RC3; Slackware Linux 9.0 has not yet been released at the moment of writing. UPDATE: And while this story was going live, Slackware 9.0 final is being released.
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Yeah.....baby
by Cheapskate on Tue 18th Mar 2003 19:59 UTC

good old Slackware, looking forward to this...

my order will be made as soon as its official...

ooh yes....doh!
by Jonathan on Tue 18th Mar 2003 20:15 UTC

Gaah I tried to burn my slack 9.0 RC3 iso for 5 hours now without success! But I will never ever give up because it's slackware 4ever!

Useless
by Jiri Moudry on Tue 18th Mar 2003 20:32 UTC

I find this review pretty useless. Slackware is not getting worse - surprise! How about comparing it with at least one other distro?

swaret
by danlu on Tue 18th Mar 2003 20:37 UTC

Since autoslack looks dead I'm going to try swaret. Updating by hand is really a pain. I'm running a week old current, downloaded the mozilla 1.3 pkg and it just wouldn't start. No error messages or anything, it just freezes on the command line. Hope swaret fill fix that ;)

Slackware 4ever, yes?

re:Useless
by danlu on Tue 18th Mar 2003 20:39 UTC

It wasn't a review, but a preview...

Slackware 9.0 is released
by Mattias on Tue 18th Mar 2003 20:43 UTC

Take a look at www.slackware.com.

Slackware 9.0 is released
by danlu on Tue 18th Mar 2003 20:59 UTC

*looks at main page*
meh...

*looks at changelog*
OMGOMG!!"111

Sweet!
by blitzoid on Tue 18th Mar 2003 21:03 UTC

9.0 is out (according to changelog)!

Too bad a bunch of the FTPs don't have it yet.

Ah well, viva slackware!

don't /. !
by Bill on Tue 18th Mar 2003 22:09 UTC

if the ftp's don't all have it (which it appears they don't from me looking around) then don't tell /. yet! Last thing Patrick needs is the /. hordes downloading it before its spread around a bit

Bill

Tempting...
by civad on Tue 18th Mar 2003 22:30 UTC

Too tempting...
I just spent the entire weekend deciding between Debian Woody and Slackware8.1, and finally settles for Woody for 2 reasons:
a. Apt (of course!)
b. I was having problems configuring my Audigy card w/ Slackware.

Just read the changelog and....
must...resist... ;)

Wow, Slackware is current ?
by Darius on Tue 18th Mar 2003 22:32 UTC

Right now Slackware has the latest desktop environments, server software, utilities and libraries.

Wow, how often does that happen? Slack fans enjoy while it lasts ;)

Slackware is current
by Maciek on Tue 18th Mar 2003 22:52 UTC

"Right now Slackware has the latest desktop environments, server software, utilities and libraries.

Wow, how often does that happen?"

Quite often if you look at the current branch.

If only...
by DoctorPepper on Tue 18th Mar 2003 23:29 UTC

We could merge the simplicity of Slackware with the package management system from Debian. Yes, I read the preview and I know about Swaret. I mean the whole package management system, including dependency checking. That would be really sweet!

I say this because I use Linux and FreeBSD, and I find the FreeBSD model of administration to be quite easy to use, once you get used to it. The closest Linux distro to that is Slackware. It would be nice to be able to switch back and forth between them with out the large mental shifting of gears that's currently required.

SWARET
by John Blink on Tue 18th Mar 2003 23:49 UTC

How well does it currently work?

Will it work with slack 9?

Are there any projects more mature than swaret?

How do you do what swaret does with the default tools?

Slack vs. Debian vs Gentoo vs. ???
by Stug on Wed 19th Mar 2003 00:10 UTC

Ok, I'm somewhat of a Linux newb. I've used Redhat and Mandrake, and I can do the basic source compiles (even compiled the kernel once or twice). Anyway, from my perception, Slackware, Debian, and Gentoo are all sort of "hardcore, true linux experience" distros (I may be wrong) with sort of cult followings. Could anyone quickly sum up the differences? Or is that not possible?

Re: Slack vs. Debian vs Gentoo vs. ???
by Eddy on Wed 19th Mar 2003 00:16 UTC

Well, you were right to place Redhat and Mandrake in the same category, but Slackware, Gentoo and Debian are all very different beasts. Of the latter three I'd say Gentoo is the most hardcore simply because it's a source based distribution. In other words you compile all the software you want from a ports tree rather than simply installing a package. Debian takes this a step further by having it's ports already compiled, in other words you download the package and install it. Slackware is simply a "clean, slimmed down" distribution like Redhat or Mandrake. Installation requires a bit more knowledge than RedHat or Madrake but is still very manegable. Slackware has it's own package system as well which you can download and subsequently install. Try out slackware, you'd be surprised as how simple and easy to manage it is. ;)

Cheers!

Slackware's package manager
by Darius on Wed 19th Mar 2003 00:39 UTC

Installation requires a bit more knowledge than RedHat or Madrake but is still very manegable. Slackware has it's own package system as well which you can download and subsequently install.

Actually, I found Slackware's package manager to be a bit easier than apt. While Slack's package manager (pkgtool) doesn't have dependency handling, you can do a quick check to see what packages are required and download those if you need them - I never ran into problems.
The biggest advantage I found to pkgtool over apt is that you don't have to hack a sources.list file to get software that isn't from the stone age ;)

DOH! I was a bit early :)
by Matt Lacey on Wed 19th Mar 2003 01:13 UTC

I downloaded one of the nightly build ISO's the other day, spent a couple of hours upgrading and fixing it (removed the older packages manually - didn't think to use grep on an old package list).

However Gnome 2.2 is running, as is KDE 3.1 and the new XFree. It's awesome! I've been a windowmaker fan since i started using linux, KDE and Gnome seem more tempting that ever now. I did manage to crash kolf though ;)

As soon as I get my next student loan cheque i will buy slack 9. It's just that good.

Isos
by Anonymous on Wed 19th Mar 2003 01:21 UTC

When will isos be out?

Sweeet!
by Piete on Wed 19th Mar 2003 01:30 UTC

I used slackware 8.0, slackware 8.1 up to January.. Then my system got a little bloated.. So I thought I'd try something new, just until Slack 9 gets released. So I instaled gentoo. Now I don't think I'll install slackware 9 after all ;) Portage is just awesome..

But I might install it later on if I ever get extra adventurous ;)

upgrade
by Richard James on Wed 19th Mar 2003 01:35 UTC

upgradpkg *.tgz | grep Error:

The grep will list all the packages it didn't upgrade in the directory

but in the A series you need to install sed first

Worked for me anyway.

package management
by Bryan on Wed 19th Mar 2003 01:51 UTC

By far the most intelligent, flexible, and powerful dependency checker I've ever used is... ME! Who needs a script telling me to go and do this and that? Quick test: does a libary need to be installed before the binary package that "depends" on it? no. So why make me go out and do it first? Maybe I dont want to install that library just now.

where are the ISOs
by Cheapskate on Wed 19th Mar 2003 02:33 UTC

:)

What is slackware like?
by Old-Fart on Wed 19th Mar 2003 03:07 UTC

It is like the sun coming up on a spring day, blotting out the darkness and speading life to all it shines upon.
COME-ON NUMBER NINE, I JUST CAN'T WAIT.
please excuse all the shouting.

Just a few people using it
by Farenheit on Wed 19th Mar 2003 04:26 UTC

Slackware is indeed the oldest Linux Distro, but the reality is that just a few folks are using it worldwide. The linux market share has been taken over by Red Hat and others who intelligently implemented and revolutioned the way Linux was.

Red Hat Linux is installed in about 80% of linuxers around the world. The rest 20% is devided among smaller groups like Mandrake, SuSE, etc.

This whole 100% about, in reality is just 2% of all machines installed worldwide, being that Microsoft Windows is present on 95% of machines and 3% is on the MacMania culture.

I don't live the Linux bubblegum tale.

RE: Just a few people using it
by GetOutofHere on Wed 19th Mar 2003 05:14 UTC

that math is completely wrong
95% MS
3% Mac
2% others

MS n linux = ?, n = the intersection dual booters.
MS n Mac = ?
Mac n linux = ?
Ms n Linux n BSD = ?
etc etc etc.

Redhat n Slackware = ?
Redhat n Gentoo = ?
Redhat n Debian n Suse n Mandrake = ?

so you see dont bring in statics to prove your point.

SLACK 9 IS INCREDIBLE
by Luckett on Wed 19th Mar 2003 06:03 UTC

I'm on slackware 9 right now. its incredible. FAST as hell, easy as hell to set up. Same good ole slack. I had my nvidia, aureal vortex 2, and internet all set up without a single reboot from right after install. this is linux man. KDE 3.1 is impressing me very well, and im using my good ole gnome right now to see how much faster it is. Everything is just perfect. I dont know how it is running so much better than my slackware 8.1. which incidentily ran faster than gentoo 1.4 also (using these flags "-s -march=pentium3 -mmmx -msse -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fforce-addr -fforce-mem -ffast-math -mpush-args -mfpmath=sse -fschedule-insns2"). I regret not telling Patrick to include nano as a default editor and a mplayer package. I wonder why the fonts are so big in all the apps. (i know i can fix this... im just saying its a default gripe of mine.
BTW DONT INSTALL mplayer from linuxpackages.net...its for slack 8.1 and WILL NOT work..messed up my libdvdread.so.2.
other than that, im falling on my ass.. thanks Patrick!!!!!

slackware as desktop os is quite perfect
by fm on Wed 19th Mar 2003 08:58 UTC

Well I think Slackware can be a perfect desktop os (although it requires some efforts). I currently run Slack 9 beta and it is a great os. It automatically detected my sound card, i set up x very easily (although slack did detected correctly , but i am using a beta version and thing are fixed in the final release) and I have a beautifull Kde 3.1 desktop. You get the latest version of Mozilla, Gaim, Xmms . Simply install grip (for mp3 ripping) mplayer (for dvds) and openoffice (for .docs) from the web and you can forget about buying a M$ os. I did it and Slack fulfills very well my needs.Any other distros can do that but with slack you experience Linux.

Cant wait 4 the isos
by Rll on Wed 19th Mar 2003 09:29 UTC

Damn... when they will be out ?

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Slackware 9.0 iso iz out! But this will not make you life a better one! ;)

oh really?
by Luckett on Wed 19th Mar 2003 13:10 UTC

Just made my life a better one.

Me 2
by Rll on Wed 19th Mar 2003 13:39 UTC

Me 2

how ?
by slack on Wed 19th Mar 2003 13:58 UTC

how ? I wished that would be true to Iraq people too !

Thanks
by Old-Fart on Wed 19th Mar 2003 14:18 UTC

Slack will eventually bring about world peace and end starvation. Just give it some time.
I have personally burned over 100 CDs of Linux distros in the past year trying to find the "right" one. They all went into the trash except for Slackware.
Thanks Pat.

Great, definately upgrading
by slackware on Wed 19th Mar 2003 15:12 UTC

I'll have to get the ISO sometime soon when I find a mirror thats not being flooded. Old-Fart I have to agree. I tried Gentoo, RH because the packages were ahead of others but Slackware I find is so much better. Now Slackware is ahead - its all timing but 8.1 was getting out of date so it was time for an upgrade.

Damn...
by Rll on Wed 19th Mar 2003 16:22 UTC

That's not the real iso... its unofficial...
i'll download it when it ll be official...

re: Slackware 9.0 iso iz out!!!
by dabooty on Wed 19th Mar 2003 17:04 UTC

wtf

i got fingercramp scrolling through your crap

Download--Hell I'm Buying it!
by Old-Fart on Wed 19th Mar 2003 18:05 UTC

It has been a long haul trying to get a Linux distro that I was comfortable with. I have downloaded many and even bought some. I have no problem with supporting "free software", and have donated some money to a few.
Since slack 8.1 I have found the one and only distro I want to support so I have PRE-ORDERED a CD from the Slackware Store. I imagine that I won't be able to wait for it and will download an ISO, but I want to "buy" a set just to show the finacial support that Pat deserves for his years of sevice to the cause. I would humbly suggest that all users would do the same.(if you can)
ALL HAIL SLACK! (o-crap, more yelling.)

EXT3
by Daan on Wed 19th Mar 2003 18:07 UTC

In the announcement I read about "Andrew Morton's patches to stabilize the ext3 filesystem"
Does anybody know what they do? Does it solve my ext3 problems? Today my ext3 home partition got full. After that I could not delete files because the "device is read-only". After unmounting fsck.ext3 corrected several errors and then I could mount it again and delete files.

The something on-topic: after having brought two Suse versions I do not like to spend any more money on a distribution, and installing via FTP seems not to be possible. So I will stay with Debian, which does offer FTP installation. Otherwise I would really like Slackware, because Debian is a bit outdated being based on gcc 2.95 in most cases.

ftp install
by Luckett on Wed 19th Mar 2003 19:17 UTC

slackware can be installed from an ftp. you just have to learn how

One question..
by Eru on Wed 19th Mar 2003 19:32 UTC

How much work is involved in getting anti-aliased fonts in ?

Whoops..
by Eru on Wed 19th Mar 2003 19:34 UTC

Submitted that too quickly :> Should have said "getting anti-aliased fonts installed properly."

Re: One Question
by Luckett on Wed 19th Mar 2003 19:35 UTC

AA fonts are already on...and it looks incredible. this is the best linux distro i have ever touched, and its the fastest my computer has ever run

http://www.whitehouse.net/index2.html
by Rll on Wed 19th Mar 2003 19:39 UTC
Luckett
by Rll on Wed 19th Mar 2003 19:52 UTC

are u using that unofficial ISO ?
is there any thing missing ?
if not... i'll download it now ...

Where's the ISO?
by skaeight on Wed 19th Mar 2003 22:59 UTC

I'm new to slackware and I think I want to give it a try. I'm tired of redhat and it's equivelents and debian just plain sucks becuase of how old stable is and how broken unstable is (i just tried instaling it on my new computer and I couldn't even install gnome, despite the fact I installed it the other day on my old computer). So I'm kind of sick of screwing around with that. Gentoo...I just don't have time for it.

So basically first off where is this iso that people are talking about? I can't seem to find it. Also any advice people can give me with using slack (creating /finding tgz packages, configuring things...etc) would be very helpful. I'm just curious how much harder it is than redhat or something like that. I know a pretty decent amount of unix commands and I'm not afraid of the command line at all (I actually installed gentoo on my old machine, but then it crashed). So I'm going to stop my rambling now, but thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer.

Re: where's the ISO
by None on Thu 20th Mar 2003 00:45 UTC

"So I'm going to stop my rambling now, but thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer."

Slackware give you all the difficulty of installing say Debian with none of the benefits of a modern package system. Its a distro where you have to do everything by hand. Its users are proud that its not easy to do updates and think apt-get update is stupid. If you don't love doing everything manually don't bother with Slackware. Basically Slackware is a throwback to linux circa 1993 so if you'd like to relive that backwards unautomated time go for it.

Slackware users may disagree, but there is a reason why it has almost no market share. I guess it could be because the rest of us are "noobs" or maybe because in 2003 the rest of us expect certain things from a modern OS.

I do think its nice that control freaks have a distro to call their own, choice is good etc, but if can't already tell slackware ain't for me and most people feel the same way.

BIOS'es problems with ISOlinux && what's with the ISO stuff?
by oliver on Thu 20th Mar 2003 00:46 UTC

Ok first the ISO madness, you do know that in the dir ISOLINUX there's a little README that tells you just how to make an ISO yourself. (windos users sure know how to do this in nero as it's basicly ... maybe the same : )

as for the problem with ISO linux and certain bioses, I have one of those bioses on an asus p2l97-s and it chocked as primary slave. strangly however putting it on secondary master worked just splendedly : )

so if your having strange errors (like PC instantly rebooting when triying to read iso linux image) try putting it on a diffrent spot in the chain. It worked for me.

Slackware ISO
by slackware on Thu 20th Mar 2003 00:52 UTC

Well you'll be hard pressed to find a fast mirror if there are any. I'm sure you could scrounge around and find one but others would have found it as well.

If you look at the current tree, the most notable difference is the kmod root access problem. Which can easily be patched, fixed or you might not even be effected.

Slackware is great
by audi666 on Thu 20th Mar 2003 01:28 UTC

after testing a lot linux distros i tried slackware 8.0 and it was the best!

slackware4ever

bah
by gozu on Thu 20th Mar 2003 04:39 UTC

now i cant see why slackware still doesnt have a package system, what do you guys have against it? it makes life 100times easier... (if its a good one)

Re: a package system
by cycojesus on Thu 20th Mar 2003 09:15 UTC

> (if its a good one)

That's THE problem, I never saw a really good one...
Anyway my Slack box have no access (yet) to the net so apt-stuff, urpmi & their friends are just of no use for me ;) , ./configure && make && su make install just works fine

Re: ftp install
by Anonymous on Thu 20th Mar 2003 09:44 UTC

>[i]slackware can be installed from an ftp. you just have to learn how[i]

From slackware.com, i've learnt that the only network installation method is via NFS.

Could you tell more about the ftp installation?

Re: ftp install
by Daniel de Kok on Thu 20th Mar 2003 10:56 UTC

> Could you tell more about the ftp installation?

It is true that Slackware officially only supports NFS for network installation, but there are unofficial FTP install disks for Slackware available at http://slackftp.sourceforge.net/