Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 11th Sep 2003 17:36 UTC
Xfce The popular X11 DE, XFce, 4.0-RC4 was released. Release notes, download here.
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wow
by jason on Thu 11th Sep 2003 18:22 UTC

xfce really looks nice... can you run this with gnome? they look so similar?

RE: wow
by contrasutra on Thu 11th Sep 2003 18:27 UTC

Can you run it with GNOME? Not really.

Its a Desktop Environment, like GNOME, so you can't run both at the same time.

You can run XFCEs Window Manager (XFWM4) with gnome though.

re: wow
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Sep 2003 18:51 UTC

it does look nice, much better than it used to. i think i'm gonna go home and give it a try.

XFCE
by chicobaud on Thu 11th Sep 2003 18:54 UTC

I changed to other desk managers but I like the earlier versions of XFCE much more, it was much more clean and elegant back then.

RE: wow
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Sep 2003 18:54 UTC

You can run xfce along side of both KDE and GNOME, but why would you? You lose xfce's speed.

Anyway, this reminds me a lot of KDE 1.x or gnome 0.x (pre 1.0)... simple, small, good. Can't wait for 4.0!

I love it
by Bram on Thu 11th Sep 2003 19:11 UTC

It's so yummy, so clean, so sexy, disturbingly fast (and so on and so forth).

Very nice...
by Great Cthulhu on Thu 11th Sep 2003 19:13 UTC

...but until it handles Xinerama it's a bit useless for me (I hate having windows spread across two screens when they appear). I use it when I want to log in graphically as root and update KDE/Gnome. Also, the File Manager - though functional - is a bit limited for my taste. I've tried using Nautilus with XFCE but that kind of defeats the purpose... :-)

Hmm...
by Great Cthulhu on Thu 11th Sep 2003 19:15 UTC

I just checked out the changelog and it says that Xinerama has been improved (last time I tried it it was a beta)...I think I'll give it a spin tonight!

Yup Wow
by Ian Christie on Thu 11th Sep 2003 19:16 UTC

I had RC2 in RedHat 9 and it was great. My only complaint was that I lost sound and OpenGL apps acted as though there was no accelleration.

It is very nice and slick.

RE: XFCE
by Sip on Thu 11th Sep 2003 19:20 UTC

I changed to other desk managers but I like the earlier versions of XFCE much more, it was much more clean and elegant back then.

chicobaud, I fully understand what you mean. I've been using the 3.x series for months an I was happy with its speed and simple, CDE-ish (?) look and feel.
Anyway, the XFCE team is putting together a really fast and nice DE for the ones who prefer a modern yet light interface.
I suggest GNOME/KDE users with older machines to give XFCE a try.

RE: Great Cthulhu
by contrasutra on Thu 11th Sep 2003 19:34 UTC

I love XFCE's XINERAMA support.

Make sure you enable Xinerama Support during compile time though, its not enabled by default.

RE: XFCE
by TheMatt on Thu 11th Sep 2003 19:36 UTC

I'm only running XFce4 on my boxes now. One is older and really appreciated the speed-up from GNOME. The other isn't that old and GNOME (esp. 2.4) screams on it. But, I grew to like the XFce4 environment.

My main reason is that I really don't need all the extra bits of Gnome, like elaborate menus and such; I run most stuff from the command line. So, I figured I'd rather have the much faster (esp. at startup) GTK2 environment. (I can't handle old-school WMs/DEs...I need anti-aliasing!)

And, once I figured out that gDesklets work on XFce4, I was even happier!

HORRAAHHH!!
by Anonymous on Thu 11th Sep 2003 19:59 UTC

I've always loved the CDE style interface, XFCE3 has been a preference for a long time (until I learned of the CVS for XFCE4). I'm quite glad that this is nearing completion and I have high hopes that it will be shown across the net to become a popular WM.

@contrasutra
by Great Cthulhu on Thu 11th Sep 2003 21:30 UTC

Make sure you enable Xinerama Support during compile time though, its not enabled by default.

Aha! That's why I didn't have Xinerama support - cause I installed XFCE4 from rpms, and the person who made them probably didn't compile in Xinerama support.

Any other compilation options I should consider?

RE:TheMatt
by Somewhere on Thu 11th Sep 2003 22:01 UTC

>> And, once I figured out that gDesklets work on XFce4, I was even happier! <<

Really? How?

RE:TheMatt
by line72 on Thu 11th Sep 2003 22:27 UTC

The latest version 0.21.1 works just fine under xfce, they work under most desktops including kde

RE: line72
by Somewhere on Thu 11th Sep 2003 22:27 UTC

Ah, good to know. Will try them soon.

mix and match gnome/xfce
by line72 on Thu 11th Sep 2003 22:36 UTC

Also not that it is really easy to mix and match parts of gnome and xfce. I use most of xfce including xfwm4 (much better than metacity), xfdesktop4 (scroll desktop), and gnome-panel instead of xfce's panel. You can do this by edition /etc/xfce/xinitrc and just change:
panel=xfce4-panel
to
panel=gnome-panel
etc...

kicks ass
by xedx on Fri 12th Sep 2003 06:57 UTC

xfce4 just kicks ass. i certainly enjoy xfce4 on my gentoo-duron box at home, and thats even without internet connection but upgrading's not too much of a pain in the butt

XFCE, XPDE, OVWL, FVWM, KDE...
by The Master of Masters on Fri 12th Sep 2003 08:47 UTC

Hello.

One thing I noticed in Linux community is the developers ability to name its creations with horrible names. XFCE is a nice project, the little rat as well, but man you gonna forgive me what SHITE name. Please accept this fact. It's play to clear that no creativity has taken place to create names in most of the good looking projects.

XPDE also is a very good promissor projects, but look at the name again... and that is why I say that these names are no part in the dictionary of those outside the community.

If developers have the intelligence to write out all code of a clever application, why can't they offer it a clever name as well? Is creativity that short? Have some creativity people.

RE: horrible names
by Anonymous on Fri 12th Sep 2003 13:00 UTC

Just get over it. It's a geek thing. Geeks think that this kind of names look cool on screen.

If it helps, I privately associate XFCE as 'MOUSE desktop environment'. There's a pretty picture of mouse on the default desktop, and XFCE is small like a mouse when compared to the two elephants, KDE and Gnome. Also, while many window managers are designed to be navigated by using keyboard, you can easily configure and use XFCE by mouse clicking.

RE: mix and match gnome/xfce
by Robert Follett on Fri 12th Sep 2003 13:56 UTC

Also not that it is really easy to mix and match parts of gnome and xfce. I use most of xfce including xfwm4 (much better than metacity), xfdesktop4 (scroll desktop), and gnome-panel instead of xfce's panel. You can do this by edition /etc/xfce/xinitrc and just change:
panel=xfce4-panel
to
panel=gnome-panel
etc...

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CUSTOMIING XFce4

Actually, the proper way to customize XFce4 is NOT to edit the /etc/xfce/xinitrc file, but rather to copy that file to your ~/.xfce4 directory and edit the copy.

Just curious, why do you favor the Gnome panel over the XFce4 panel?

Xinerama
by Torrey on Fri 12th Sep 2003 14:22 UTC

I installed XFce4 and it's really cool but the only problem I have is that using Xinerama, The tasks bar is up on the left monitor but the program launching menu is on the primary monitor. I tried to move the tasks bar to the primary monitor on the right but it won't let me move it. Kind of annoying to have the task bar on the left monitor and a big space above maximized windows on the primary monitor where the task bar should be. ;)