Linked by Andrew Youll on Wed 31st Aug 2005 16:24 UTC
Apple I recently bought a Mac Mini, And I thought I'd talk about my experiences in the transition from Windows XP to Mac OS X.
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v another one!?
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 16:31 UTC
short time frame
by jtrapp (4.04) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 16:35 UTC
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Two weeks is a very short experience, it will be interesting to see what the author thinks in two months.
To me it seems--and the author touched briefly upon it-- that the biggest obstacle to switching is stranded application costs. I use Dreamweaver and Photoshop and MS Office on a regular basis--these apps taken together cost more than the computer. Perhaps with Mactel and Wine this obstacle will be lessened.

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by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:06 UTC in reply to "short time frame"
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by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:26 UTC in reply to "RE: short time frame"
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Doesn't really impact the credibility. I can go to my local Fry's in San Diego and still get the first edition Mac mini at a lower cost to clear inventory. Plus he stated he got it at a local reseller. I don't' see anything to lower credibility of the article.

RE[2]: short time frame
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:51 UTC in reply to "RE: short time frame"
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it's clearly not an in depth product review but rather one individual's personal experience in transitioning from XP to the MAC.

I feel it is something other XP users may find very useful and informative.

If you want a byte by byte comparison there are tons of those out there.

not sure why you are looking to undermine the guy's piece.

RE: short time frame
by Ben2040 (1.36) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:14 UTC in reply to "short time frame"
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Dreamweaver is supplied with both Windows and Mac versions on the disc - wish more people would do this ;)

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by jtrapp (4.04) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 19:45 UTC in reply to "RE: short time frame"
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I was unaware of this...I bought a downloadable Studio MX..I just got the windows version.

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by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:37 UTC in reply to "short time frame"
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Mactel + wine??? I have native Photoshop CS and Dreamweaver on my Mac. The cost of the Mac versions of these programs are basically the same as their Windows counterparts.

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by ma_d (2.8) on Thu 1st Sep 2005 14:28 UTC in reply to "RE: short time frame"
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He said he already owns them. People don't like re-buying the same version of a program you know.
Geez, try reading.

RE[3]: short time frame
by Anonymous (Staff) on Thu 1st Sep 2005 15:46 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: short time frame"
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The best thing to do is to keep the Windows version than make the switch to Mac OS when your version are being obsolete. That's what I've done. Virtual PC is also a good solution for some softwares.

Some editors give also Mac/Windows versions on the same CD/DVD and they offer discount if you upgrade from Windows to Mac.

RE: short time frame
by gullevek (1.04) on Thu 1st Sep 2005 00:14 UTC in reply to "short time frame"
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Yes, after a longer time it would be better.

I switched from Windows/Linux to my Mac ~4 Months ago, and I am really extremly happy. I just can't imagine to work with Windows or Linux anymore.

For me, Mac is really a "just works" experience, and I am very happy about that at home.

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by Anonymous (Staff) on Thu 1st Sep 2005 01:49 UTC in reply to "short time frame"
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by Anonymous (Staff) on Fri 2nd Sep 2005 21:52 UTC in reply to "short time frame"
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Adobe offers Photoshop for Mac for $8 if you have purchased the Windows version. That should help a little bit.

v Why does every switcher do this?
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 16:42 UTC
DVD writing
by Tyr. (2.64) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 16:49 UTC
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One annoyance I've had after shelling out on a superdrive for my mini is the fact that it doesn't write or READ multiple session DVDs. I actually couldn't believe that when I found it out.

Another thing is the Apple (azerty, bluetooth) keyboard. Nice keyboard ... until you realise there is no pipe symbol on it, or curly braces or tilde (~). And that for a unix-based OS ! Thankfully you can create custom keymaps with the great Ukelele ( http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_i... )

So would I give up my mac mini? Sure, if you can pry it from my cold dead hands :-)

RE: DVD writing
by Andrew Youll (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 16:51 UTC in reply to "DVD writing"
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Have you tried Roxio Toast 6 Titanium? I've only just gotten a Firewire DVD-/+RW for my Mini today so havent had time to try it, but I'm pretty sure it would read/write to multi-session DVDs

RE[2]: DVD writing
by Tyr. (2.64) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:00 UTC in reply to "RE: DVD writing"
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Sorry, here's a Roxio forum post confirming : http://boards.support.roxio.com/roxio/board/message?board.id=000002...
I was sure I read it in their FAQ also but I can't find it. Works fine for multisession CDs though. Hence the claim it can do multisession ;)

Dragon Burn claims to do multi-seesion DVD, but don't bother - it's a piece of crap that doesn't work.

RE[3]: DVD writing
by Anonymous (Staff) on Fri 2nd Sep 2005 09:11 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: DVD writing"
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You know, before the programs you should have a driver that does it ;)

RE[2]: DVD writing
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:02 UTC in reply to "DVD writing"
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My PowerBook has a tilde ~ under the escape key

RE: DVD writing
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:58 UTC in reply to "DVD writing"
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On my keyboard (Belgian layout), I have the pipe symbol at ALT-SHIFT-L and the curly braces at ALT-N.
Sure, I had to look for them too.
It is indeed sad that they are not printed on the keyboard themselves...
But since I know where they're located, it isn't a problem for me anymore.
With the keyboard viewer, you can find more of these "hidden keys".

RE[2]: DVD writing
by Tyr. (2.64) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:09 UTC in reply to "RE: DVD writing"
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Yeah I eventually found them too, but now I have them mapped to were they should be. This is especially handy if you have to use generic keyboards at work, less confusion.

But I still say it takes a special kind of sadist to 'hide' the pipe on a unix machine and curly braces on an OS whose main programming language is a c variant :-)

On a good note quality and battery time for the bluetooth version is excellent.

RE[3]: DVD writing
by Anonymous (Staff) on Thu 1st Sep 2005 15:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: DVD writing"
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It's true. On an (french) AZERTY Mac keyboard, some keys are hard to find/use. Windows/PC AZERTY keyboard layout is far better but requires the use of Alt Gr key.

But after a few days/months, you get used to the AZERTY Mac keyboard and pipe and braces are quite easy to use.

Anyway, you can always use a Windows USB Keyboard on a Mac Mini or PowerMac, so it's not a real problem.

RE: DVD writing
by MysterMask (2.12) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:04 UTC in reply to "DVD writing"
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until you realise there is no pipe symbol on it, or curly braces or tilde (~).

I don't know azerty keyboards but I would be very suprised if this is true (e. g. on swiss-german QWERTY keyboards, you'll find | on [OPTION]+[7] and ~ on [OPTION]+[n], which is not obvious when you're used to Windows or Unix).

A good way to find symbols on the keyboard is to activate the input menu on the menu bar (in 10.3.9: System Preferences > International > Input Menu > "Show input menu in menu bar" ==> flag of the currently activated keyboard layout appears in the menu bar), then choose "Show keyboard viewer" from the menu unter the flag. Holding special keys like [OPTION] will show you the keyboard layout with special keys pressed.

RE: DVD writing
by kellym (0.84) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:08 UTC in reply to "DVD writing"
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I have an Apple bluetooth keyboard and not only does it have the pipe symbol, but it also has the curly braces AND tilde. Did you just make all that up?

RE[2]: DVD writing
by Tyr. (2.64) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:15 UTC in reply to "RE: DVD writing"
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I have an Apple bluetooth keyboard and not only does it have the pipe symbol, but it also has the curly braces AND tilde. Did you just make all that up?

Maybe the Belgians pissed off Steve Jobs or something. And don't make me post a picture of my keyboard ;-) (is yours azerty btw?)

RE[3]: DVD writing
by Andrew Youll (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: DVD writing"
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My Apple Pro Keyboard, British Layout, doesnt have a # symbol marked on it, it is accessible via the number 3 key which only has the Pound symbol and the number 3 marked on it.

RE: DVD writing
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:48 UTC in reply to "DVD writing"
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All the special characters ARE there, they simply are not printed on the keys.
ALT + 8/9 = { }
ALT + 5/6 = [ ]
ALT + N = ~

RE: DVD writing
by Anonymous (Staff) on Thu 1st Sep 2005 17:30 UTC in reply to "DVD writing"
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Mac OS X provides a "virtual" keyboard on which you'd have seen that a ~ is done with alt-n and | with alt-shift-L

RE: DVD writing
by Tuishimi (2.72) on Fri 2nd Sep 2005 15:37 UTC in reply to "DVD writing"
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Mine has the pipe symbol above the backward slash?

Cool
by Buck (4.36) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 16:52 UTC
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What I'd like to know though is can you use the Mini for doing day-to-day graphics editing in Photoshop and Illustrator, for not terribly complex work. It can't be slower than my current 1.4 Ghz Celeron, right? So I'm looking forward to transition to Mac, but it's interesting to know how fast it is compared to normal G4s and iMacs.

RE: Cool
by Andrew Youll (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 16:54 UTC in reply to "Cool"
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On a recent Podcast I was listening to, infact a Linux podcast they said that the Mac Mini is an iBook smashed into a small box. So the sort of performance you'd get from an iBook is what you'd get as it is built around Laptop technology.

RE[2]: Cool
by Anonymous (Staff) on Thu 1st Sep 2005 18:54 UTC in reply to "RE: Cool"
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Actualy it's an eMac but that's splitting hairs ;-)

RE: Cool
by Tyr. (2.64) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:05 UTC in reply to "Cool"
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I'm looking forward to transition to Mac, but it's interesting to know how fast it is compared to normal G4s and iMacs.

Check out the Macintosh Performance Comparison ( http://www.macintouch.com/perfpack/comparison.html )
My advice is to go to your local mac dealer and play around with the display machines for a while, I spent almost 2 days there before forking over my hard earned cash :-).

RE: Cool
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:05 UTC in reply to "Cool"
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If my 5 year old PowerBook is fast enough the MacMini definately will be. It is definately much faster than a 1.4 GHz Celeron.

RE[2]: Cool
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:26 UTC in reply to "Cool"
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If you load up the mini with a Gig of RAM it would have no problems whatsoever of running Photoshop. I have a couple Macs at home including an older iMac G3 DV edition running at 600Mhz and it runs OS X and everything I throw at it just fine believe it or not. A 1.25 G4 is way faster. You might consider Adobe Elements though if you don't want to fork over your first-born for the CS2 suite as it has most of the functionality of Photoshop at a fraction of the price. I have both Elements and the Adobe CS suite and I find myself using Elements more often.

RE: Cool
by seabasstin (0.85) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 20:09 UTC in reply to "Cool"
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I've been using a G3 900 with tiger to do Print work on a regular basis (once a month) and web work with all the aps open all the time.
this is a G3 iBook with sucky graphics.
Why would it be hard to do stuff on a 1.4Ghz G4.
what is wrong with you poeple?
I mean there has not been a computer that you couldn't use to do this work on since the G4 500, and Athlon 1Ghz.
I think people are too nice to sucky software devs like Adobe and Macromedia who write Bloto application upgrades that are USELESS on older hardware.
anyway all this too say that there is no reason that a G4 1.4 with enough ram could not be used to work on daily.
especially if you get a faster external drive.
This is not a game machine that needs to render polygons.
man.
the thing that always gets me is that if you got an ID magazine design annual or even ComArts design Annual most of the people who win are not using your best of the best machines, as they actually are working , not Wyning.

RE: Cool
by Anonymous (Staff) on Thu 1st Sep 2005 13:54 UTC in reply to "Cool"
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The mini runs as fast as the standard Mac laptop, but the HD seems run slower on the low end 'A' model. For general use it can run just abount anything outt of the box, using standard PC keyboards, mice and monitors. Products like PhotoShop, Final Cut and CAD software run fine, but you will want to pump up the memory as these apps are RAM hogs and the OS reserves half of your memory for itself.

For better performance I generally attach or boot from an good external FireWire (Lacie) drive and use it as a post production rendering station for Film, DVD and Broadcast media. It also costs far, far less than a dual G5 and runs quieter as well.

Re: Cool
by Buck (4.36) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 16:54 UTC
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I meant G5 iMacs.

RE: Re: Cool
by Andrew Youll (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 16:56 UTC in reply to "Re: Cool"
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iMac G5 performance is going to be far greater than Standard G5 first its a 64bit chip, and it's got better performance per clock cycle, just that it produces alot of heat.

RE[2]: Re: Cool
by bryanv (3.44) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Re: Cool"
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I sure hope you meant Standard G4

RE[3]: Re: Cool
by Andrew Youll (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Re: Cool"
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oops, thanks for pointing my typo out bryanv, I did mean G4

RE: Re: Cool
by Buck (4.36) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:00 UTC
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But do you notice any annoyances with your Mini performance-wise? Or does it just run as you want it to?

Yahoo Launch
by Pasha (1.05) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:03 UTC
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Hi I'm a 'due to switch' user. Is the Yahoo Launch listen-to-music-videos resolved on Mac OSX?
I herd that even installing Netscape 4.7 does not fix the issue, any clues?

RE: Yahoo Launch
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 19:19 UTC in reply to "Yahoo Launch"
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no..they still just plain suck. I have emailed them 4 or 5 times telling them (yhoo/sbc) but too no avail.. they have all this multimedia stuff.. and if you run linux or macos..yer fooked.. let me repeat THEY SUCK.

RE[2]: Yahoo Launch
by Anonymous (Staff) on Thu 1st Sep 2005 01:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Yahoo Launch"
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FYI: SBC is the DSL provider; Yahoo is the content provider. This issue would fall upon Yahoo. Well, I am not above smacking SBC when they deserve it.

RE: Yahoo Launch
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 21:10 UTC in reply to "Yahoo Launch"
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Don't forget that Netscape 4.7 isn't the latest and greatest... there's also a 4.8... ;)

RE[2]: Yahoo Launch
by Anonymous (Staff) on Thu 1st Sep 2005 14:57 UTC in reply to "Yahoo Launch"
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itunes has free music videos
and soon will have much more video stuff…mb

start bar
by rightWingNutJob (1.24) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:05 UTC
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if you miss the windows/KDE start-bar paradigm for launching applications, drag your applications folder onto the right half of the dock. Clicking and holding on this folder will give you a heirarchical menu of your applications.

RE: start bar
by Anonymous (Staff) on Thu 1st Sep 2005 12:12 UTC in reply to "start bar"
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I was going to suggest this myself. It is a fantastically simple and easily accessible (although sometime not fast enough) to all your Apps.

Windows, Mac OS X & Linux
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:06 UTC
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Thought I'd add my two cents that it's NOT just Windows and Mac OS X...but Linux too and the issues surrounding using any OS.

In fact, I did a podcast with this as the main theme: http://borsch.typepad.com/ctd/2005/08/ctd_for_august__4.html

Windows has critical mass of the desktop. The kicker? No one cares anymore since the future is the internet as platform. Think about the last time you headed to the computer store to buy that new shrink-wrapped software application. Probably not lately, huh? Bet you're signing up for web services aren't ya?

RE: Windows, Mac OS X & Linux
by Celerate (1.88) on Thu 1st Sep 2005 01:01 UTC in reply to "Windows, Mac OS X & Linux"
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I'd much preffer buying a boxed product from the local computer stores than having to run something off the internet. In my opinion that whole Internet as a platform thing should not happen any time soon, the internet isn't reliable enough to be my OS and I preffer to own what I have, not rent it.

RE[2]: Windows, Mac OS X & Linux
by Anonymous (Staff) on Fri 2nd Sep 2005 09:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Windows, Mac OS X & Linux"
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internet you OS? google for OS please ;)

Photoshop transition
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:06 UTC
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You don't need to pay for Photoshop all over again You can exchange your current version for the Mac version. You need to contact Adobe for this. I found this link:

http://www.adobe.com/support/pdfs/lodexchange.pdf

I couldn't find anything on the Adobe site. I don't think they want customers to know about the possibility so that you end up buying the app again. Don't take know for an answer.

Maybe the same thing applies to Macromedia products as Adobe acquired Macromedia lately.

My experience
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:33 UTC
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The proprietary Microseft Windows XP : Used for 3-4 hours. Piss poor hardware support, no standard tools included, zero interoperability with existing network (NFS, X, SSH).

OS X : Unix-like, great hardware support and integrated seamlessly into hour BSD/Linux/Solaris network.

RE: My experience
by corentin (1.88) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:30 UTC in reply to "My experience"
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> The proprietary Microseft Windows XP [...] Piss poor hardware support [...]
> OS X : [...] great hardware support [...]

Yeah, MacOS X has better PowerPC support than Windows XP!

v RE: My experience
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 23:55 UTC in reply to "My experience"
The issues comes from Windows only stuff
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I bought an ibook for my wife last December just because I didn't want to deal with fixing her computer every now and then, just for THAT. Let me tell you that I have not had to "fix it" not ONCE. The only issues she has is that she cannot log in to her company's Microsoft Exchange network, and certain websites that are IE only, like banking, Yahoo Launch, MTV ??? So I think for personal use they're great, but do not recommend it for work. Performarce is great, I especially like the accelerated desktop, and the feeling that it does not get in your way. I personally use a windows laptop because I didn't want to spend the extra $$$. It runs all the programs I need, although desktop performance is ok (I customized my install with nlite, so I can tweak it in case you asked). Are macs worth the extra price not to have any technical issues? Or do you rather put with windows? I guess it depends if whoever's getting it is counting on you for tech support. hehehe

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Smart, smart man.

I personally don't want to waste time with supporting a "tool" I'm supposed to be using. Hence why I don't have a Windows box at home. I do use it right now at work, but only because I'm forced to. I can't believe how common minor problems that aren't hardware related pop up.

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Here here. I did the exact same thing. Got her an iBook, wireless network, set it up and left.

I don't even know the passwords on this thing anymore.

We ran into the iBook logic board problem but that was resolved promptly, and I finally stuffed another 512M into it (we were using the stock 128M for almost a year -- quite usable, just slow transitions from app to app).

I shared the printer on my W2K box, and the durn thing Just Worked (though I recently reinstalled the printer, so now it's broken for her...I'll get 'round to it soon enough).

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I tried something similar, but found that sharing the printer from Windows using Zone Alarm as my firewall causes all the other computers on the network not to be able to communicate with that Windows box or the printer connected to it.

I'm aware that Zone Alarm can be set up to allow specific IP addresses, the problem is that all the computers have to use DHCP and the IP addresses do change quite regularly. What firewall do you use?

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Is there no way to allow an entire IP range with zone alarm? Eg., 192.168.1.*

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The problem is that the ip address of the laptop is not from an internal network but rather whatever my ISP assigns to it. That means that if I set it up to accept an entire IP range, everyone else with the same ISP could wind up with one of the ip addresses within that range and thus get around my firewall.

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she should be able to login to her office's exchange network if mail is set for IMAP (not sure if entourage supports it, i would think so as it is another MS product).

or is she wanting to be able to login to the domain and be on the network itself? i would think that should be doable if she connects to the server?

as for the rest, i would prefer to spend the money on a mac and be able to use my computer and know what is going on with it and have control.

My Mac Mini Experience
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:51 UTC
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I got one at work, fell in love and bought one at home. Key upgrades are memory and hard drive. 1 gig ram is a must have. Also, replacing the hard drive (ships with a 4200 rpm drive (or was it 4600 drive?)) Hitachi makes a 7200 rpm drive that is the same physical size. It makes all the difference in the world. If the mac mini had a built in dvd burner and a better video card, I'd never want for anything else. Like the author, I've used windows since it first ran on top of dos, and have been using linux on the desktop for a while. I have a variety of machines, and am now wanting to sell my x86 Ubuntu based laptop to get a powerbook. It's infectious. Everything about OS/X works well. Setting up my bluetooth phone to talk to it? Not a problem. Picking up the tiny box and plugging it into my hdtv for photo slideshows? Not a problem. I have very few complaints, all of which aren't worth putting in writing.

RE: Cool
by broken_symlink (2.72) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:53 UTC
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I use imovie and idvd on my mini. Right now I have a 1.4ghz mini with 512mb ram and an external 160gb hd. I just ordered a second 160gb hd, a 1gb stick of ram, and an external dual layer pioneer drive. The mini is great for that stuff, but idvd takes forever to render video. Hopefully things will change now. I plan on raiding the 2 external hds. I may also upgrade the internal hd to a 60gb 5400rpm WD hd and get an external enclouser for the exsisting internal hd. I had planned on building a custom cube with 2 1.6ghz g4s, but the mini and my powerbook meet my needs. I can't wait for the g5s to become dirt cheap! ;-p

A helpful note to the author
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 17:57 UTC
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You mentioned you could not find a good CAD/drawing package... sounds like you want a Visio replacement. Take a look at Omni Groups OmniGraffle application. It is a fantastic replacement for Visio on the Mac.

RE: A helpful note to the author
by Andrew Youll (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:02 UTC in reply to "A helpful note to the author"
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thanks i'll look into it

RE[2]: A helpful note to the author
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:15 UTC in reply to "RE: A helpful note to the author"
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Have you done a search in your Applications folder, both of them (lite) versions come free with Panther

And if they did not the lite versions are free to download

RE[3]: A helpful note to the author
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:20 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: A helpful note to the author"
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Yep it sure does and its pretty good for most simple tasks but if you want to be able to import Visio diagrams and have more capabilities you should look at buying the latest Professional release.

Tear off menus???
by gdanko (1.44) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:21 UTC
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you can drag virtually anything, anywhere you want, from dragging menu components to the desktop

If this can be done in OS X please tell me how. That is one NeXT feature I miss the most!

RE: Tear off menus???
by Andrew Youll (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:23 UTC in reply to "Tear off menus???"
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should have worded that slightly better, I meant the menu's present in iTunes, iPhoto, Finder etc, where they point to locations and such.

But as you say it was present in NeXT so there is a possibility it is still there, hidden deep in some configuration file.

@Andrew Youll
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Because many Windows users seem to hate Macs even though they've never used one for more than a minute or have not used one since the MacII was the latest and greatest. Those bad apples need to see the folly of their ways.

I also have a variety of hardware.

1 Mac Mini
1 Powerbook G4 15"
1 Dual G5
1 ThinkPad T41 w/SP Pro
1 Dell something or other with FC4

I do think Windows is a blight on computing, but there are 1 or 2 Windows-specific apps I use.

More wacky misinformation.
by Anonymous (Staff) on Wed 31st Aug 2005 18:35 UTC
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First of all, the