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you were seriously looking forward to buy a new OS that requires you to double up all existing ram and possibly upgrade everything else in order to get the same speed/performance that XP offers today ? Wow didn't know that MS brainwashing was THAT effective.

All jokes aside, I think this is all BS and MS is trying to buy more time. If it isn't then it basicaly means that the Windows Vista code is pretty much compleate crap which is not true. I might not agree with many of design decisions of MS but the OS is far from being crap and there is no way that 60% of it need to be rewritten in order to get media center integrated. After all Media Center for XP is and addon that works much like any other program.

I agree cg0def. There are general performance issues too and they are buying some time. I suspect the Media Centre stuff is also true but its a good excuse ;-)

And you're right , it is too funny to be true. Read the latest post on the issue

http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=14102

what upcoming linux desktop. the liunx desktop has been coming for the last 5 yrs or so and it's not here yet. if this problem is true and puts vista behind it will still get release before linux ever shines in the desktop.

Linux works sweet for MY desktop.

Linux works sweet for other peoples desktop.

Maybe it is not for you. So what ?

I have beta tested Vista, and Windows is playing catch-up with Linux in the desktop arena.

You are living in a time-warp man, get up to date.

like I said, you are in a time warp,

that 90% figure is a couple of years old

show us an up to date figure

and, while you are at it, give me a good reason to move from XP to Vista... honestly

This Market share stuff is a moot point. MS is well know to count every copy shipped even if its gathering dust on an PC unsold in a shop for instance.

Plus its difficult to quantify Linux/BSD install base as they dont come preinstalled etc.

Its no where near as clean cut as is often inferred and I include ALL OS vendors in this.

Bottom line you can make Statitics say whatever you like :-))

Edited 2006-03-24 17:51

Same here... Linux has not only just worked for me in the last few years, it has been ahead of the game in most areas in the computing world. With the KDE desktop, it has been as simple as Windows and advanced as Mac with the stability of Unix.

Building PC's on the side, (about 1 Windows PC for every 4 Linux PC's) I have only had 1 issue with a Linux OS as opposed to dozens of issues with the few Windows PC's I have built. The issue turned out to be a defective hard drive, so it was not Linux at all.

I also run XP, when I have to,(some sites still are catering to only Windows with their online forms) and hate it.

Ok first of all Linux was never intended to be a desktop OS but rather a Unix replacement that people can use at home. Of course many things have changed since then ... anyway as far as being ready for the desktop goes Linux based distros have been ready for about 5 years now only there was always a problem with drivers and hardware manufacturers and other crap like that. In order to solve problems like driver support you actually need corporate backing and it kinda lacks in the Linux community. Only this is not true anymore because there are companies like Novell and Canonical determined to win. Novell is not in the Linux game just to make a few bucks and I can guarantee you that very soon they will have OEM backing.
So dude I really don't see how the hell Vista is going to come out before NDL 10. Yes Novell is a lot smaller company but it has vastly better reputation in corporate IT circles that MS does.

"liunx desktop has been coming for the last 5 yrs"

So has Windows Longhorn/Vista..

Appearently you've never heard of PCLinuxOS which is more than ready.

Actually, the reset was in summer of 2004 (http://blogs.msdn.com/timbrookins/archive/2004/09/20/231819.aspx).

That's a biiit more than 6 months ago.

Anyway, this is irresponsible journalism (not by OSnews, but by theinquirer). Isn't the original source of this information from a mac site anyway? Ugh.

Edited 2006-03-24 17:50

Yes they decided to start again and use the Windows 2003 Kernel Codebase. Shortly after all much quoted features like WinFS started to be stripped out to try and hit a late 2005 release if I remember correctly.

I wouldnt call it irresponsible Jorunalism, Just misguided and what does it matter if it came from a Mac site ?

Edited 2006-03-24 18:00

If paul thurrott posted negative news about apple, would you trust him?

No it's not from a mac site, but a mac site did link to it.

And as for everybody saying "there's no way they'll do all of this by January, this must be false", can you wrap your heads around the idea that maybe the "January" release date is false? There's certainly more than enough precedent for it. I can't believe how every time MS sets a release date for Longhorn or Vista, so many people believe them wholeheartedly after being lied to over and over again. People who do are like the girlfriend of an abusive alcoholic. "He said he's going to stop drinking and stop hitting me, and he means it this time!"

Irresponsibly journalism by theinquirer? Do they do responsible journalism?
Anyway, I do believe the article is actually from: http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Computing/Platforms?Article=/Computing...

TMK, Theinquirer just reposts stories. Much like OSN, except Theinquirer probably makes money.

Please don't tell me you think this is their first lemon....

Millennium anyone?

Yes, Millennium worked for me without problems and at least it was released. vista may never see shine of the day

...or Microsoft Bob?

I'd like to sit back and enjoy the rot, but I guess Windows users are sheep.
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Or maybe Windows is the right tool for the job for many users.

You can't rewrite 60% of such a large release OS in such a short time. This must be false news.

Maybe it's 60% of the new Vista additions over XP, that would greatly reduce the codebase. Or maybe you just don't have that Microsoft "can-do spirit" ;-)

if I remember correctly, arround the time windows 2k was released the OS was supposed to be over 2 mil. lines of code. Add all the code for XP plus 2 SPs and all the new Vista code and 60% seems like a heck of a lot of code.

But like I said I don't really believe this news to be true. After all MS FUD has been great in the past ...

The code base for W2k was reputedly somewhere in the region of 20Million+ lines.

you have my vote !

Mine too!

I remember that name ... 'blackcomb'.. what was that supposed to be anyways?

I've got my whole Win world all mixed-up (just like MS does)..

Am I correct in assuming Longhorn = Vista? - or was it XP?

And at this point, everyone who is saying 'Vista will be able to do ___, and ___, etc' simply have NO basis for saying so. It simply doesn't exist - and developer & beta releases don't mean a thing regarding what a product will ACTUALLY be. I've heard so many Microsoft minions talk about what Vista's features ARE - it makes me nauseated.

They should abort this whole thing and start porting the WinFX API to Linux - now THAT would be a product everyone would like (until they bastardized Linux into THEIR product)...

...OK, so I should take that back. Microsoft, DONT port to Linux - it's just too stable for your products.

Um.. ok.. then you can't talk about Compiz, XGL or any upcoming OSX LEopard features I mean afterall, it's not *OUT* and final yet, right?

Good point, I should correct myself:

"It simply doesn't exist - and developer & beta releases don't mean a thing regarding what a Microsoft product will ACTUALLY be."

Thank you.

And you're right again, I try not to assume anything about the features of Compiz (what is that?), XGL, or OSX Leopard. I'd rather wait until I get my hands on it for a critique - or for official announcements for the developers themselves (which is what the Vista team is blogging about)

Dude, you totally make linux users look bad...

This news could be true, and who knows what part of it is being re-written. I am sure it is an exxageration, but I would not be surprised if there is a major thing going on right now.

but seriously, people need to stop being so hard to on MS. Meeting a deadline on such a massive project such as Vista can not be easy, and deadlines always shift. Where is the next Ubuntu? Oh look its deadline shifted. Chill out.

Now start flaming!!! *rolls eyes*

Yeap arround 85% of Windows Copies sold in the comsumer space are OEM sourced from what Ive read .

what everyone seems to have missed is a blatant way for Microsoft to get more money off its customers... Let me explain.

Vista is delayed until after xmas, so all those people wanting new machines are going to buy computers with XP installed. Microsoft gets the cash from the OEM for that.
After Xmas, Vista gets released, and loads of those new users go out and buy Vista, (Microsoft hopes).

So basically, Microsoft can get two paydays.
How did no-one spot that ?

Actually this can hurt them quite a bit. If these informations are true You can expect

shares drop, nervous shareholders >>> pressure >>> restructuring>>>fireing of staff both menagement and coding >>> further Vista delay >>> IN THE NEWS ALL THE TIME >>> consumers and manufacturers thinking about alternatives >>> Apple getting the the sales boost >>> linux getting 1 more %.

People statisically just use whatever is installed on a PC when they Buy it. 85% of Windows Sales are OEM is oft quoted in reports on windows which says it all.

Erm I think you will find the OpenGL performance in Vista will be sub par. Its Mapping OGL through to DirectX 10. Forget the exact details but you get quite a hit on frame rate etc as a result.

No supposidly MS says Vista is supporting OpenGL fully now which would take time to put in I'm guessing.

Interesting. If full ( At full speed ) OpenGL support is going in that would be a much bigger task.
If I remember correct th reason for OGL been layered on top of DirectX 10 was so everything would play nicely with 'Avalon' ( Now WPF ).

If true the whole rendering pipeline would have to be modified to accomodate this. Not 60% of codebase I guess but not exactly trivial either :-)))

Now they're including the possibility for a full OpenGL ICD if the graphic card vendor writes one - that's what I've read. You'll find a post on opengl.org - http://www.opengl.org/news/permalink/windows_vista_to_support_openg...

No, that was already an option before AFAIK.

A) There aren't going to be any Linux-based PS3 games (apart from homebrew toys).
B) It's not a prank -- just entirely false reporting (quite typical of the sources).

Well the Jan 2007 for Consumer Vista versions isnt a hoax :-) Thats why MS share price dropped yesterday as all those Xmas OEM sales arent going to happen now

I'd agree, it is like a soap opera and has been ever since the word Longhorn was first uttered in tech forums. And whether it's true or not, whether Vista is released on time or late, whether it has all the promised features or not, whether it's secure or not, this story is just one more in a long line of essentially meaningless information about this product, all the while keeping the attention firmly focused on Vista, apparently by any means necessary.

Has there EVER been this level of hype for an OS in the making before?

Yes, Windows 95! 2 Years in a "hype" mode.
Vista looks on the same path. There is a difference though: Windows 95 still had OS2 as a potential competitor. Vista can still be delayed for the next 3 years and no other alternative desktop OS would grab a significant share of th market.

Has there EVER been this level of hype for an OS in the making before?

No, but that has in big part to do with the internet. The internet really took off in 1999-2001, but the social/viral aspect has really taken off in the past few years. That includes hypeing of new things. 5 years ago, Microsoft could put out press releases and most of the time they would probably go largely unnoticed. Now with the changed social aspect of the internet, everyone picks up on everything they put out and say, and it gets spread fast. This creates the illusion that it's being more excessively hyped by Microsoft than anything previously, when in reality, it's a viral internet thing.

Edited 2006-03-24 22:35

Not sure what you are smoking....

But, the rate at which Desktop Linux is cutting into large MS accounts is negligible. There is a one-off here or there, but nothing much that would represent a trend.

Oh, their earnings indicate they are not shrinking any either.

- Kelson

Do you keep up with the news ?
Whole countries are dropping Microsoft products and switching to Linux.
Not only are foreign countries doing it, but so too are US states, and major companies, IBM, US Steel and US military.

Do some research.

Uh, don't make judgements for in my place...I thought it was funny. And I care. Who are you?

Great, but this story is about Vista, and I was commenting on the persons need to constantly mention open source every time they post.

at the same token, we have seen you in linux posts being the retarded Windows fanboy

Well first, you're getting way off-topic here.

Second, please point out where I brought up Windows in a Linux thread. I have responded to points about Windows already brought up in Linux threads, but that's slightly different.

Third, nice insult buddy. I'm sure you're proud of yourself.

Edited 2006-03-24 21:41

It isnt b* atall.
Alot of PC sales that would have ridden on the 'Wow lets get a new PC with this new Super Windows OS thingy' are gone.

Alot of consumers will look at the PC on offer and shrug 'Just the same as the 2/3 year old PC I already have and works well enough might as well leave it till next year'.

Bear in mind we are arent talking about PC hobbyists/developers. The bulk is the general Comsumer space Buying OEM hardware ( Dell,HP et al )and see the banner advertising etc