Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 14th Apr 2006 04:45 UTC, submitted by dbprice
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris Community contributor Jürgen Keil and Sun engineer Jan Setje-Eilers have been working together to get OpenSolaris based operating systems to work under Apple's BootCamp. Today Jan announced that he had successfully installed and booted build 36 of Solaris Nevada (plus some hacks). A series of bugfixes to make OpenSolaris distributions "just work" have been identified.
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Can't wait . . .
by Fuji257 on Fri 14th Apr 2006 05:09 UTC
Fuji257
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2006-01-24

I've got 1.66ghz Core Duo Mac Mini and I boot OS X off of a faster-than-the-internal firewire drive.

So I've got an 80gb internal sata drive sitting empty.

I've attempted a few x86 Linux distros with too many issues to boot it. Ubuntu installs from the LiveCD without any trouble, but then you have to do some *heavy* tinkering to have it boot, so I endud up zapping it. Other distros weren't so lucky.

BeOS PE for Windows actually installs using darwine, but again, no way to boot it (and I'm SURE many devices wouldn't even be supported anyways, I was bored)

I figured SOMEBODY would have an easy-to-install ISO available by now . . .

It looks like Solaris may be first. I'm anxious to have a tinker OS; Solaris will do just fine.

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RE: Can't wait . . .
by Adam S on Fri 14th Apr 2006 13:19 UTC in reply to "Can't wait . . ."
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

I've got 1.66ghz Core Duo Mac Mini and I boot OS X off of a faster-than-the-internal firewire drive.

No you don't. Recent benchmarks have shown that the only way the external drives are signficantly faster than internals are on old powerbooks that have FW800 ports. Since the Intel minis only have FW400, that's not possible.

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RE[2]: Can't wait . . .
by Fuji257 on Fri 14th Apr 2006 18:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Can't wait . . ."
Fuji257 Member since:
2006-01-24

>>No you don't. Recent benchmarks have shown that the only way the >>external drives are signficantly faster than internals are on old >>powerbooks that have FW800 ports. Since the Intel minis only have >>FW400, that's not possible.

That's more than pretentious to tell me which of my drives are faster than the other.

I don't give a ratsass what you've read, I know how to test HD speeds on my machine thank you very much.

But since you believe what you read see here to see you are dead wrong:

http://www.barefeats.com/mini01c.html

The Mac Mini's weakest point (that you can do something about) is the Hard Drive. The link I gave you (and countless others) shows the MM's internal drives are easily trounced by FW400. Anybody that uses and external boot drive on the MM knows you are full of crap.

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RE[3]: Can't wait . . .
by suryad on Sat 15th Apr 2006 03:50 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Can't wait . . ."
suryad Member since:
2005-07-09

If I had any more points I would mod you up!

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Doh!
by Fuji257 on Fri 14th Apr 2006 05:13 UTC
Fuji257
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2006-01-24

That GENTOO live CD, not Ubuntu . . .

Edit is not working for me.

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Aye
by kaiwai on Fri 14th Apr 2006 05:38 UTC
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2005-07-06

Solaris x86 should already have the EFI code which was used in the early Itanium builds - whats happen to those?

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this is what i wanted
by poundsmack on Fri 14th Apr 2006 08:09 UTC
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2005-07-13

oh man this is so good. to have solaris on the mac in gona be awsome!!!!

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GStepper
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2006-03-08

So finally we can find pretty efficient computers that can run all major OSes including OS X (surprising isn't it ?), Windows, Linux, Solaris and soon we'll hear about *BSD (don't ask me when ! My crystal ball is broken...).

I hope other alternatives OSes will run on Macs as well. Boot camp seems to be a very good thing after all. Time will tell but I wouldn't be surprised if Apple would increase its market share on the PC Market.

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I hope other alternatives OSes will run on Macs as well. Boot camp seems to be a very good thing after all. Time will tell but I wouldn't be surprised if Apple would increase its market share on the PC Market.

True; atleast if Windows is working on it, it'll be alot easier to move people to MacOS X once they have the hardware than trying to get them to first make the platform change.

One misconception I think they still need to address is the idea that there is no Microsoft Office, even though there is, and secondly, that you can't share documents, when you can; address those cross platform compatibility myths, and you'll find that the issues relating to MacOS X adoption evaporate.

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yay!
by fryke on Fri 14th Apr 2006 10:25 UTC
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2005-07-06

erh... and _what_ am i supposed to do with that when i already have mac os x running on it? ;)

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RE: yay!
by zemplar on Fri 14th Apr 2006 13:32 UTC in reply to "yay!"
zemplar Member since:
2006-02-10

"erh... and _what_ am i supposed to do with that when i already have mac os x running on it? ;) "Obviously you've never used Solaris before....Don't get me wrong, OS X is a great desktop OS, but for any shortcoming in OS X, Solaris is perfect for picking up the slack. As for server services, it'll be hard to beat Solaris in that role...

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What's next???
by nbensa on Fri 14th Apr 2006 13:27 UTC
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2005-08-29

GNUStep on Intel CoreDuo Macs?

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The question of Intel Macs
by TaterSalad on Fri 14th Apr 2006 13:34 UTC
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2005-07-06

Soon its not going to be a question of what boots on the Intel Mac, its going to be what doesn't boot on the Intel Mac?

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swiss-army-mac
by sp29 on Fri 14th Apr 2006 13:40 UTC
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2006-01-04

So cool, I can't wait to try Solaris when I get my new mac...hopefully it's easer to install by then!

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What's a Mac?
by ThanhLy on Fri 14th Apr 2006 15:16 UTC
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2006-03-14

I'm not trying to be sarcastic. Seriously: what's a Mac? What is it at this point in time, that defines a Mac. What makes a Mac a "Mac"?

It's not a personal computer that stands out as using a different CPU architecture (PowerPC). Even when it was PowerPC inside, OSX was not the exclusive OS.

Although the Might Mouse looks like the traditional 1 button mouse, technically it functions like a multi-button mouse.

ADC is gone. Standard DVI now.

Firewire now seems more like an equal to USB rather than dominant on the Mac platform.

I'm not making complaints. Just observations. So what makes these machines unique now-a-days? With what are we able to still call these machines "Macs"?

I guess it's just a branding thing, because of their heritage and because only Apple makes them. It's like calling a Dell PC a "Dell." But I never heard anyone refer to an PC made by Alienware, HP, etc. litterally as "Alienware" or "HP."

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RE: What's a Mac?
by fepede on Fri 14th Apr 2006 15:53 UTC in reply to "What's a Mac?"
fepede Member since:
2005-11-14

I'm not making complaints. Just observations. So what makes these machines unique now-a-days? With what are we able to still call these machines "Macs"?

Good quality hardware that have also the added value to be able to run OS X.

(Not to mention the good design quality, especially important on notebook)

That's a Mac nowadays.

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RE[2]: What's a Mac?
by Emil on Fri 14th Apr 2006 17:40 UTC in reply to "RE: What's a Mac?"
Emil Member since:
2005-06-29

''Good quality hardware''

You have misspelled "off the shelf".

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RE[3]: What's a Mac?
by Emil on Fri 14th Apr 2006 23:08 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: What's a Mac?"
Emil Member since:
2005-06-29

Modding down, eh? So maybe you can name this superb HW not seen in normal x86 HW, OK?

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RE[3]: What's a Mac?
by Fuji257 on Sat 15th Apr 2006 03:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: What's a Mac?"
Fuji257 Member since:
2006-01-24

>> ''Good quality hardware''

>> You have misspelled "off the shelf".

Dude, I COMPLETELY 110% DO NOT agree with what your little joke implies.

But, its damn funny anyways. Mountain Dew right out the nose and everything . . .

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RE: What's a Mac?
by Angel--Fr@gzill@ on Fri 14th Apr 2006 18:48 UTC in reply to "What's a Mac?"
Angel--Fr@gzill@ Member since:
2005-12-23

Well, I understand your points..

Still there are some caracteristics tha make the Macs unique:

- Original and elegant hardware and software design.
- Ease of use and ergonomy
- The Mac OS X, that only runs in an Apple Mac machines (the PC intel hack is just a "hack" and too slow), that is a solid, nice, pretty and full features OS

Not to mention that, if you know a female that uses a Mac to work, or at home, and you tell her how good, nice, and easy this machine is, and how much better and secure than Windows, OSX is... And then you talk to her about how the 'Aqua' wallpaper match the color of her eyes, you have it almost done.. even without paying a dinner.

Does it not make the Macs-OS X great computers ?

.

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RE: Can't wait . . .
by aliquis on Sat 15th Apr 2006 00:11 UTC
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2005-07-23

Fuji: Solaris will probably be a perfect match aswell seeing as you probably already have the best current desktop OS there is, and now you could get the most advanced/fun/awesome unix aswell ;)

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RE[2]: Can't wait . . .
by Fuji257 on Sat 15th Apr 2006 03:33 UTC in reply to "RE: Can't wait . . ."
Fuji257 Member since:
2006-01-24

>Fuji: Solaris will probably be a perfect match aswell seeing as you
> probably already have the best current desktop OS there is, and now
> you could get the most advanced/fun/awesome unix aswell ;)

Thanks,
I hope I like it, I used it once years ago, but I'm sure it's changed alot.

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aliquis
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2005-07-23

Why would you want MS-Office when there is OpenOffice? Does the small difference really make up for the price of the first one? Also openoffice documents should be MORE compatible with people, if there wasn't for the small fact that everyone uses MS-office already ;)

But I rather force people to install openoffice then buying ms-office.

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chekr Member since:
2005-11-05

"Why would you want MS-Office when there is OpenOffice"

Don't get me wrong I am a big fan of OpenOffice.org but NeOffice, which is our Mac native equivelant is not exactly up to par with the current OOo release. So unfortunately for now it's MS Office on OS X.

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kamper Member since:
2005-08-20

Why would you want MS-Office when there is OpenOffice? Does the small difference really make up for the price of the first one? Also openoffice documents should be MORE compatible with people, if there wasn't for the small fact that everyone uses MS-office already ;)

But I rather force people to install openoffice then buying ms-office.


OpenOffice under X on os x is shite. Seriously. I gave it all up and switched to latex.

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kamper Member since:
2005-08-20

OpenOffice under X on os x is shite.

Just to clarify, I was not just trolling here. When running under X on osx, OpenOffice just does not integrate well. It doesn't comply with all the ordinary shortcut keystrokes such as command-tab for app switching (it is lumped in with all other X windows) or command-(x|c|v) for cut/copy/past among others. It doesn't use the regular system fonts and can only use the very limited selection that comes with X (at least Apple's version, which I'm obviously running). I'm sure it is possible to get the fonts installed properly but I haven't figured it out yet. The scrolling (I use the trackpad on my pb) is also wildly inaccurate.

I really have no trouble with normal OpenOffice, like on other *nixen or on windows and I'd still be using it
if the above problems didn't exist. I'm happy I got into latex though, because it's wicked cool and I like plain text source files much better than fancy graphical editing for many things :p

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RE: yay!
by aliquis on Sat 15th Apr 2006 00:16 UTC
aliquis
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2005-07-23

Server?

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Mac Hardware
by ameasures on Sat 15th Apr 2006 13:27 UTC
ameasures
Member since:
2006-01-09

Some say Macs have good quality hardware, frankly some components are ok and some aren't. Having had a PB DVD drive fail (just) out of warranty ... some it hurts.

If , however, you compare with standard PCs there is a difference: ALL Mac components are certified compatible for (OSX) the operating system they expect to run.

So by all means tell me the Mac is overpriced but do compare it with a system where ALL the drivers are certified for XP.

The mess of cheap (Windows) hardware, uncertified drivers and so forth are paying the salaries of many support staff around the world. So perhaps it isn't all bad news .....

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