Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Jul 2006 17:20 UTC, submitted by chrishaney
Linspire Freespire has released the second beta release of Freespire (build 0.0.76). This is the Debian-based Linux distribution which legally supports (or has one-click access to support): MP3, DVD, Windows Media, QuickTime, Java, Flash, Real, ATI drivers, nVidia drivers, Adobe Acrobat Reader, proprietary WiFi drivers, fonts, and so on. It provides free access to the entire Freespire open source application pool using apt-get. There's also a screenshot tour.
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Sounds Good...
by elzurawka on Thu 27th Jul 2006 00:33 UTC
elzurawka
Member since:
2005-07-08

This sounds preatty impressive...have anyone actually tried this out....for soem reason im assosiating it with linspire...

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RE: Sounds Good...
by siimo on Thu 27th Jul 2006 00:55 UTC in reply to "Sounds Good..."
siimo Member since:
2006-06-22

because it _is_ the OSS version of Linspire. They will be basing the next version of Linspire from Freespire 1.1 as you can see from their roadmap here: http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Freespire_Roadmap


They are trying to do the same thing Redhat/Fedora, Suse/OpenSuse etc are doing with a free version and a pay version and get community involved in development.

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RE[2]: Sounds Good...
by seakryan on Thu 27th Jul 2006 03:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Sounds Good..."
seakryan Member since:
2006-07-16

Seems to be working. There are some bugs (It is beta), but I have had it on my laptop with minimal issues. I like being able to use Apt. Looking forward to seeing what direction the community decides to take with this.

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legal for them, not for you
by butters on Thu 27th Jul 2006 04:56 UTC
butters
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2005-07-08

I read the "proprietary or bust" thread on the freespire forums, and I just didn't have the heart to rain on Kevin Carmony's tragic parade.

No matter how you slice it, proprietary kernel modules are illegal. How they are distributed determines who is liable for violating the IP rights of the Linux kernel community. Freespire isn't distributing the proprietary kernel modules with their stubs already built against the kernel headers, so they are in the clear. But since the user agrees to link the proprietary module with the Linux kernel by running (in this case) the appropriate CNR installation routine, the end user is vulnerable to legal action.

Because anyone who distributes the Linux kernel as prescribed by the GPL is a copyright holder thereof, anyone with an ftp server can take you to court for violating their IP. Just because no one (that I know of) has done this doesn't mean it won't happen. Just ask any IP lawyer with expertise in software licensing, they will advise you not to install proprietary Linux kernel modules.

Just as the GNOME folks are concerned that MS is waiting patiently for Mono to gain marketshare before filing suit, the big graphics vendors should be concerned that the FSF is waiting for the Linux graphics market to reach a certain marketshare before suing their customers, forcing them to change their unethical ways.

They are inviting you to break the law. Think about that the next time you install those proprietary graphics drivers. I'm not necessarily claiming that I personally have or haven't installed them in the past, and I can't blame you for doing so, but you should realize that this is illegal.

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RE: legal for them, not for you
by Temcat on Thu 27th Jul 2006 09:18 UTC in reply to "legal for them, not for you"
Temcat Member since:
2005-10-18

This is FUD. Please show me the clause of GPL license that is violated by installing a proprietary kernel module. As you may or may not know, GPL does not restrict usage of GPL software or linking other software with it (regardless of its license). What GPL does restrict is the rules for distribution of derived works. The end user does not normally distribute the kernel with proprietary modules linked with it and is therefore in the clear, too.

And BTW surely Linspire has better qualified IP lawyers than you can afford.

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RE[2]: legal for them, not for you
by silicon on Thu 27th Jul 2006 12:04 UTC in reply to "RE: legal for them, not for you"
silicon Member since:
2005-07-30

You should try to read up Section 2(b) of the GPL. It clearly says all derivative works of a GPLed program should be free themselves.

Kernel modules are derivative works. They use kernel functions for memory management, module loading etc.

Even if they implement all of their requirements themselves, to qualify as a module they still have to use a few functions that are in the kernel. (such as module_init() )

That would make the module a derivative work of the kernel which implies that it would have to be GPLed and so binary modules are illegal. (if proprietary).

Edited 2006-07-27 12:05

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ElijahLofgren Member since:
2006-01-14

This may be informative:
http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/ols_2006_keynote.html
A quote from that page:
"I've had the misfortune of talking to a lot of different IP lawyers over the years about this topic, and every one that I've talked to all agree that there is no way that anyone can create a Linux kernel module, today, that can be closed source. It just violates the GPL due to fun things like derivative works and linking and other stuff. Again, it's very simple."

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Eciadsl package for freespire?
by Temcat on Thu 27th Jul 2006 07:58 UTC
Temcat
Member since:
2005-10-18

Does anybody have a working eciadsl package for Freespire?

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and
by deanlinkous on Thu 27th Jul 2006 17:14 UTC
deanlinkous
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2006-06-19

What exactly can the community do with a proprietary linux? They seem to imply that you can make copies and give them to friends but I don't think that would be legal. So far I just see it as a no-cost version of linspire with some important differences but that is about all.

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RE[3]: legal for them, not for you
by Z_God on Thu 27th Jul 2006 19:08 UTC
Z_God
Member since:
2006-06-11

Most proprietary kernel modules are open source though, just not GPL.

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