Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 11th Aug 2006 19:38 UTC, submitted by sardaukar siet
BeOS & Derivatives The Haiku news just keeps on coming lately. "HaikuLiveCDScript is a shell script to build a Haiku live CD. It downloads, decompresses, and generates a boot image and drops files in a folder ready to be burnt. Just unpack the script files and execute 'makelivecd', and wait a while."
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Can someone make an image?
by Anatomy4Artists on Fri 11th Aug 2006 20:26 UTC
Anatomy4Artists
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2006-01-09

Hey, Can someone make a liveCD image and host it somewhere?

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RE: Can someone make an image?
by raver31 on Fri 11th Aug 2006 20:38 UTC in reply to "Can someone make an image?"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

why ?
has Haiku suddenly become free ?
do you not need to part with some cash to get it ?

correct me if I am wrong, I haven't been keeping up with Haiku.

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RE[2]: Can someone make an image?
by Beta on Fri 11th Aug 2006 20:39 UTC in reply to "RE: Can someone make an image?"
Beta Member since:
2005-07-06

It suddenly became free 5 years ago. The day they started it : )

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RE[3]: Can someone make an image?
by raver31 on Fri 11th Aug 2006 20:44 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Can someone make an image?"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

lol, like I said, I have not been paying attention to Haiku. I assumed it was like Zeta.....

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RE[4]: Can someone make an image?
by spikeb on Fri 11th Aug 2006 22:01 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Can someone make an image?"
spikeb Member since:
2006-01-18

nah, haiku is the open source beos project, and Zeta is the "we somehow have dano and are continuing to make a commercial product" project.

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RE[2]: Can someone make an image?
by lopisaur on Fri 11th Aug 2006 22:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Can someone make an image?"
lopisaur Member since:
2006-02-27

You're thinking about Zeta, Haiku's free.

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RE: Can someone make an image?
by jonas.kirilla on Fri 11th Aug 2006 22:45 UTC in reply to "Can someone make an image?"
jonas.kirilla Member since:
2005-07-11

That would be nice. I think there is one here:
http://paginas.terra.com.br/informatica/pauloestrela/

It might be worth knowing that Haiku, like BeOS, needs to be a multitrack CD: one initial, minimal iso9660 track for the bootloader, and one BFS track for the Haiku partition. (The install is a pretty straight-forward copy operation - file by file, from CD to HD.) This makes distribution of a CD image slightly more challenging than simply releasing a one-track "ISO".

We need to figure out what the common burner applications are in the non-BeOS operating systems, what multitrack formats people want and verify that they work.

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StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

I've used Nero's image format (NRG) to backup an R5 CD; CDs burned from the image boot just fine. I guess .BIN/.CUE is still a little more common in the Windows world, but I don't think Nero is far behind - especially now that so many CD/DVD burners come with a copy of Nero Express.

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Script
by lopisaur on Fri 11th Aug 2006 23:01 UTC
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2006-02-27

Does someone know if it only runs on BeOS?
I mean, it's a script, I don't remember correctly what BeOS's default shell was, but the requirements say WGet, CDRTools & BZip2, so it should run on a Linux box if the shell's the same, right?

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RE: Script
by spikeb on Sat 12th Aug 2006 00:17 UTC in reply to "Script"
spikeb Member since:
2006-01-18

yup

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RE: Script
by ormandj on Sat 12th Aug 2006 01:03 UTC in reply to "Script"
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

My guess would be it runs on BeOS only. I'm assuming it's doing an actual *build* of everything. Last I checked, Haiku couldn't be built on anything but a BeOS/Haiku system. It's been a while, though. ;) If it can be built on non-Haiku systems, I'd be glad to build a copy and make an image/host it.

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RE[2]: Script
by GatoLoko on Sat 12th Aug 2006 01:27 UTC in reply to "RE: Script"
GatoLoko Member since:
2005-11-13

I've built haiku from linux tow or three times.

To read more here: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12637

Edited: Added link to old entry of osnews

Edited 2006-08-12 01:33

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RE: Script
by CPUGuy on Sat 12th Aug 2006 15:24 UTC in reply to "Script"
CPUGuy Member since:
2005-07-06

bash is the shell used on BeOS.

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Wow!
by danboid on Sat 12th Aug 2006 00:25 UTC
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2006-03-21

Anyone tried it yet?

This is one of the most interesting announcements on OS news in some time- best news since OSX got released for x86? Is that fully open source OSX announcement just round the corner now? ;)

Like many, I really need fully functioning USB 2 and network hardware support before I seriously consider using Haiku for more than a few minutes to see if it can boot though.

Maybe this time next year we will be running Haiku on a PS3?

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RE: Wow!
by Nutela on Mon 14th Aug 2006 12:11 UTC in reply to "Wow!"
Nutela Member since:
2006-02-09

On PS3? Sure if you help ; )

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Only works on BeOS/Zeta!!
by paulojbe on Sat 12th Aug 2006 01:09 UTC
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2006-08-11

This is a bash script and needs to mount haiku hd image to generate boot disk. Because this, it needs a system with OpenBFS/BFS support. If anyone knows a system with bfs support tell me to add support. The script is very simple, and this weekend I will improve it.

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uh
by deanlinkous on Sat 12th Aug 2006 02:53 UTC
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2006-06-19

Sounds just like the live-package from debian. ;)

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Get it working under QEMU
by amarok on Sat 12th Aug 2006 07:02 UTC
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2006-08-12

It's very easy to get it working under QEMU. Just unpack the archives at:
http://paginas.terra.com.br/informatica/pauloestrela/HaikuLiveCD.ta...

and then run:

qemu -boot d -cdrom bootcd.image -hda haiku.image

That's all :-)

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RE: Get it working under QEMU
by umccullough on Sun 13th Aug 2006 06:09 UTC in reply to "Get it working under QEMU"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

why bother using a CD image with QEMU?

just boot to the haiku.image directly!

http://www.haiku-os.org/wiki/index.php?title=Getting_Haiku

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RE[2]: Can someone make an image?
by Soulbender on Sat 12th Aug 2006 08:35 UTC
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2005-08-18

"We need to figure out what the common burner applications are in the non-BeOS operating systems, what multitrack formats people want and verify that they work."

Or perhaps just stop this nonsense with the BFS track and just put a BFS image on the iso9660 track and mount it.

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Ronald Vos Member since:
2005-07-06

Or perhaps just stop this nonsense with the BFS track and just put a BFS image on the iso9660 track and mount it.

Easier said than done. AFAIK the kernel, needed to mount, only runs from BFS. I could be wrong.

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RE: Get it working under QEMU
by Soulbender on Sat 12th Aug 2006 08:37 UTC
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2005-08-18

"It's very easy to get it working under QEMU. Just unpack the archives at:"

Since that link doesnt work at all it's really not all that easy.

Well, turns out it does work. i gueess that error message I got in portuguese meant "try again later".


Edited 2006-08-12 08:50

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RE[2]: Get it working under QEMU
by amarok on Sat 12th Aug 2006 16:54 UTC
amarok
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2006-08-12

Oh, sorry...

Try download it following the link at:

http://paginas.terra.com.br/informatica/pauloestrela/

This way is ok :-)

Good luck!

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Uhm...
by Marco Ravich on Sun 13th Aug 2006 14:31 UTC
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2006-01-01

...any chance to have a win32/64 version ?

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RE: Uhm...
by jonas.kirilla on Sun 13th Aug 2006 15:34 UTC in reply to "Uhm..."
jonas.kirilla Member since:
2005-07-11

You mean a Haiku installer in the form of a Windows executable? Or a one-shot CD burner application for Windows, with the Haiku CD image embedded in it?

Sure, it can be done, but it's extra work that I suspect nobody involved wants to spend time on. It's a diversion from getting Haiku done. And not everyone in the alternative software world has the Microsoft skill set.

The LiveCD Script is not produced or endorsed by the Haiku project, AFAIK. When the time comes to roll out Release 1, there will be proper cd images. It will be simple getting, burning and installing. In the meantime, development continues, and the pieces are coming together, with the TCP/IP and USB stacks being (re-)implemented. So it's still too early to expect the general population to find Haiku complete and truly useful.

Haiku don't want to make a bad first impression. That's why we have this situation where it's possible to make CDs, but yet there is no beta release. (However, the since long available harddisk images could be considered beta releases.)

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RE[2]: Uhm...
by paulojbe on Mon 14th Aug 2006 02:38 UTC in reply to "RE: Uhm..."
paulojbe Member since:
2006-08-11

Perfect! I wrote HaikuLiveCDScript to enable people to test Haiku in real hardware in an easy way. Net and USB stacks are in development, and I think that LiveCD is a good opportunity to people test the progress made in Haiku development without need a spare machine.

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RE[3]: Uhm...
by jonas.kirilla on Mon 14th Aug 2006 09:16 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Uhm..."
jonas.kirilla Member since:
2005-07-11

It's great for the community. It keeps morale up. Haiku gets tested, which helps the bug hunt. It might get a few interested outsiders in, and perhaps some new developers. The only bad thing is that we're not ready for larger exposure just yet, and that is what worries me about offering Haiku, as it is now, to a larger audience than the proverbial choir. I suppose it might sound like I'm criticizing your work, and for that I apologize. Keep doing it!

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RE[2]: Uhm...
by JonathanBThompson on Mon 14th Aug 2006 06:31 UTC in reply to "RE: Uhm..."
JonathanBThompson Member since:
2006-05-26

Hiya, jonas.kirilla!

The fact of the matter actually is that Haiku is still too far away from being "feature complete" to even consider calling it "beta" and doing so honestly. I just installed last night's build, and there are still gaping holes, such as the fact that in the Interface Kit, you still are absolutely forced to use a mouse to navigate menus, and that's not even a kernel issue.

Regardless of your thoughts and wishes, Haiku is still very much alpha or pre-alpha status in terms of being "feature complete" and also in terms of stability: I have had perhaps a 20% success rate of booting into a useful Terminal without it either deadlocking or having a single or double page fault in the kernel. Thus, yes, the worst thing that could happen is to advertise "Hey, Haiku is a viable replacement OS now!" and have everyone run into what us on the bleeding edge have found ;)

So, no, in the interest of full disc closure (bad pun, I know!) there's no "beta release" disc for Haiku because you'd be beta off waiting (another bad pun!) until everything is feature-complete, if you are that curious, and even then, well, it'll be beta. Before then, only if you wish to track down bugs or work on the code yourself is it useful to bother with. Hey, go ahead, download it, experiment with it, find the bugs, and report on the Bugzilla if the bug hasn't been noted before and fixed ;)

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RE[3]: Uhm...
by jonas.kirilla on Mon 14th Aug 2006 09:45 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Uhm..."
jonas.kirilla Member since:
2005-07-11

Hi Jonathan!

You're the voice of reason, as always. ;) I think it's hard enough to label a mere application as alfa/beta/1?/??? And considering what we expect from today's operating systems it's amazing they ever get out of beta.

I must have had more luck running Haiku successfully than you have. Maybe I'm just lucky, or I didn't stress the system enough.

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