Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 25th Oct 2006 16:02 UTC, submitted by luna6
Fedora Core Two reviews of the recently released Fedora Core 6. "FC 6 certainly is one of the best looking distro's I have seen, especially for a default installation. but several smaller issue bugs that crept into FC 6 made me wonder how organized they really are. The problems I encountered with Fedora Core 6 were not huge issues, but there were enough smaller bugs that made me wonder if this release was rushed." And secondly, "FC6 is here, at last, and we've been busy putting it through its paces to let you see what's new. You're probably most interested in the following questions: Is Yum still slow? (yes). How good is AIGLX? (excellent). Does it still lack many configuration tools (yes)."
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Can't Install
by Lengsel on Wed 25th Oct 2006 16:31 UTC
Lengsel
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2006-04-19

I click on Extras, then I customize what I want installed, and about 45 minutes into it, it says there is a compatibility error, and my only option is to reboot, I can't cancel it or bypass it. I'm doing it from a fresh install on an empty drive. I read on FedoraForm.org that just doing a default install and no customization or selecting of packages might help it work better, but there is zero assurance of that as well.

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RE: Can't Install
by jo42 on Wed 25th Oct 2006 11:51 UTC in reply to "Can't Install"
jo42 Member since:
2006-02-20

This might be due to fedora.redhat.com being down - "yum update" doesn't work right now from a shell on FC5 and is causing other problems for us.

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RE: Can't Install
by fsckit on Wed 25th Oct 2006 16:53 UTC in reply to "Can't Install"
fsckit Member since:
2006-09-24

I've not run into that issue, and so far I've done 6 installs of FC6. Three of those with an insane amount of cutomization during the install.

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Not impressed
by fsckit on Wed 25th Oct 2006 17:00 UTC
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2006-09-24

Wow, that sucked as far as reviews go. Wasted a whole page of text and pictures to barf their opinion when they could've summed it up in three lines.

1. YUM sucks
2. FC6 doesn't have pretty icons. Oh the horror.
3. AIGLX and and Xen are cool.

Ahh but that's not all. Turns out this "review" was all a bad disguise to lead into yet another Ubuntu plug.

Reply Score: 5

RE: Not impressed
by h3rman on Wed 25th Oct 2006 18:53 UTC in reply to "Not impressed"
h3rman Member since:
2006-08-09

I mostly agree with you. The piece also suffers of screenshotitis. Who needs another four examples of the 3D cube?

I think Linux has become too mainstream now. ;)
In many reviews, nowadays it's mostly, looking for the easy to find bugs, telling how you got your multimedia stuff installed, showing dull screenshots, and saying it's good, but not perfect.

I wouldn't mind if it wasn't given the ambitious title of "review"

Reply Score: 2

Fedora 6
by Southern.Pride on Wed 25th Oct 2006 18:01 UTC
Southern.Pride
Member since:
2006-09-14

Does this release have the module loaded in order to flip the screen like in SuSU SLED 10?

I noticed that it had the wobble affect is that part of the Gnome window manager?

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RE: Fedora 6
by orestes on Wed 25th Oct 2006 19:00 UTC in reply to "Fedora 6"
orestes Member since:
2005-07-06

You mean the cube plugin?
Yeah, it's there, along with the wobbling windows and pretty much all the other nifty compiz tricks.

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RE[2]: Fedora 6
by Finalzone on Wed 25th Oct 2006 19:27 UTC in reply to "RE: Fedora 6"
Finalzone Member since:
2005-07-06

Be in mind the cube plugins depend of the number of virtual desktop. It should called prism plugins instead as three virtual desktops will take a triangular prism.

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v FC6 Stands for...
by tmanop2006 on Wed 25th Oct 2006 18:12 UTC
totem-xine not in Fedora
by thebluesgnr on Wed 25th Oct 2006 18:20 UTC
thebluesgnr
Member since:
2005-11-14

It's weird that the reviewer says he was prompted with a totem-xine package conflict as soon as he started the system, because totem-xine is not a package provided by Fedora. What he did was manually install a package from a 3rd party repository which then created a conflict with Fedora's official RPM's.

He should file a packaging bug against the provider of totem-xine, which is not Fedora.

Reply Score: 5

RE: totem-xine not in Fedora
by eelco on Wed 25th Oct 2006 20:05 UTC in reply to "totem-xine not in Fedora"
eelco Member since:
2005-07-06

I have the same problem. It must be Livna's totem-xine.

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v error
by netpython on Wed 25th Oct 2006 18:33 UTC
for those of you who have installed FCR6
by anyweb on Wed 25th Oct 2006 19:27 UTC
anyweb
Member since:
2005-07-06

try this out - 5 easy steps to installing Fedora Core Release 6 goodies >

http://www.linux-noob.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2533

This covers step by step instructions to install

Java (jdk-1_5_0_08)
Flash
xine
mplayer+mplayer plugins for firefox
mp3+plugins

shouldnt take more than 15 minutes from start to finish if you follow it all,

cheers
anyweb

Reply Score: 2

startxjeff Member since:
2006-09-29

anyweb - you might want to point out that the page refers to 32bit installs.

Reply Score: 1

anyweb Member since:
2005-07-06

[quote]By startxjeff (1.33) on 2006-10-26 05:30:05 UTC in reply to ""
anyweb - you might want to point out that the page refers to 32bit installs.[/quote]

done, thanks for the pointer

Reply Score: 1

FC6
by Shkaba on Wed 25th Oct 2006 20:00 UTC
Shkaba
Member since:
2006-06-22

Just installed on Dell Inspiron 6000 with no hick ups. Everything that I need worked right out of the box. Multimedia and some additional tools had to be added, but that is hardly a challenge anymore. I got the same re assuring feeling of a powerful and reliable OS that I'm used to getting from FC. AIGLX and Compiz is very smooth on my low end notebook. All in all thumbs up and keep the good work

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my install experience
by buff on Wed 25th Oct 2006 20:03 UTC
buff
Member since:
2005-11-12

I downloaded the DVD. Burned it using K3B. Backup up home folder to DVD.

I rebooted the PC and selected to do a clean install. I selected to format only my linux partitions. I selected the custom package selection and added Apache, mysql, and XFCE4. I rebooted after the installation was done. I logged in and Gnome started up. There were 13 updates in the update manager on the Gnome taskbar. I clicked on the update alert button and logged in as root and installed them all. I opened a shell and downloaded Seamonkey and Gftp via yum. I istalled the Flash 9 RPM via yum. I installed the RealPlayer via yum.

I launched Open office, Firefox, selected a streaming radio station in realplayer. Everything worked. Sweet. I copied back my DVD to my home folder. My jpilot and mozilla preferences all returned. I attepted to enable the Desktop Effects but it failed since I haven't installed the Nvidia drivers yet. Still the old proprietary driver issue which makes Fedora less newbie friendly.

Edited 2006-10-25 20:12

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RE: my install experience
by somebody on Thu 26th Oct 2006 01:48 UTC in reply to "my install experience"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

I attepted to enable the Desktop Effects but it failed since I haven't installed the Nvidia drivers yet.

You might try livna-testing repository for that. They work for me like a charm (and I do have really complex setup), I just had to redirect gstreamer and mplayer to gl (nvidia 9626 seem to have problem with xv, but hell, they're still beta).

And you might have to add
Option "DisableGLXRootClipping" "True"
in nvidia section of xorg.conf if you notice any problems with Desktop Effects (for me video was freezing without this and redirecting to gl).

Reply Score: 1

eelco
Member since:
2005-07-06

Ubuntu's install process is undoubtedly better (we still had to fight with FC6 to get it to use 1440x900 on our Intel laptop)

That is remarkable. The last few times i installed Ubuntu, i had to edit xorg.conf by hand to get any other resolution than 640x480.

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Kneel before Zod!
by cmost on Wed 25th Oct 2006 20:31 UTC
cmost
Member since:
2006-07-16

"When I first came to your planet and demanded your homes, property and very lives, I didn't know you were already doing so, willingly, with your own government. I can win no tribute from a bankrupted nation populated by feeble flag-waving plebeians. In 2008 I shall restore your dignity and make you servants worthy of my rule. This new government shall become a tool of my oppression. Instead of hidden agendas and waffling policies, I offer you direct candor and brutal certainty. I only ask for your tribute, your lives, and your vote."
-- General Zod
Your Future President and Eternal Ruler

The new Fedora Core 6 (a.k.a. Zod) is fantastic!

http://www.zod2008.com/

Reply Score: 2

RE: FC6 Stands for...
by fignew on Wed 25th Oct 2006 22:00 UTC
fignew
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2006-09-06

judging by your past posts, I doubt you even installed it...

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RE[2]: FC6 Stands for...
by tmanop2006 on Thu 26th Oct 2006 15:31 UTC in reply to "RE: FC6 Stands for..."
tmanop2006 Member since:
2006-10-10

Actually I have...on a few systems. That's why I wrote what I did. Judging by your post, I'd say you have your head up your A$$...

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Ubuntu plug?
by fignew on Wed 25th Oct 2006 22:04 UTC
fignew
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2006-09-06

"...Fedora is much closer to a power user's desktop: they've got AIGLX nicely honed, the virtualisation system blows the competition out of the water..."

I'd hardly consider it an Ubuntu plug, all they said was that FC had trouble with their laptop's screen.

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things i like/dislike about Fedora 6
by jokinin on Wed 25th Oct 2006 22:27 UTC
jokinin
Member since:
2005-11-07

I installed already onto 2 computers. And both installations went well.
Although i must say, i had to remove a previos mandriva installation to get to work Fedora 6 installation (seems Anaconda disk partition program doesn't like to create more than 3 partitions on the same disk).
Adding livna repository leads to broken dependencies and i cannot update the system.
Another thing, is that i haven't been able to get to work AIXGL with the drivers included in the installation or propietary drivers.
So, mixed feelings, i guess i had very high hopes for Fedora 6, and not everything is working as well as i wanted.
Mandriva 2007 has done better so far with everything working from the beginning.
Anyway, i'll try to get this things fixed.

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fsckit Member since:
2006-09-24

$ df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda2 7.1G 2.6G 4.2G 39% /
/dev/hda1 99M 5.8M 88M 7% /boot
tmpfs 506M 0 506M 0% /dev/shm
/dev/hda4 66G 214M 62G 1% /home


Hmm, if you include my swap partition, I believe that makes 4 partitions on one drive (the limit for DOS style partitions). Now if you don't choose "force primary" it will go to creating logical partitions after partition 3. If you already had previous partitioning this is probably where your trouble started.

Reply Score: 1

robgarth Member since:
2006-04-30

Hang on, by default Fedora makes two partitions: /boot and an LVM partition. The only reason for the /boot is that grub does't have LVM support

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fsckit Member since:
2006-09-24

And as you can see, I don't have a default partitioning scheme. The reason for my /boot is so it can be mounted read-only.

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Fedora update Tool
by hraq on Thu 26th Oct 2006 00:08 UTC
hraq
Member since:
2005-07-06

It seems a step in the right direction, but it is not successfully done. They are trying to be like Add/Remove of Ubuntu but they cannot.

Anyway, I don't feel it must be named fedora core 6 but rather FC5.1, all judged from the little changes.

Too much configuration need to be done if you want to get it working to it's full power. Yum, and repositories method need to be revised from the ground up rather than improve it.

There are still the annoyances present in FC5 like not being able to install all packages from the DVD (unlike in RHEL which is available); and the mandatory do it or die (like insert CD #99 for the package *** to be installed, while you cannot skip, reboot or abort)

Another weakness I noticed is the lack of new tools that might add to the little and less powerful tools
that already exist on FC5 like decent Partitioner, better scanning/printing tools, better support for webcams.

You can add the lack of midi support on the most common cards like Creative Audigy2ZX, Audigy 4 and XFi series.

Maybe if the next fedora will not include some real big differences from FC6 then I might change the distro to ubuntu or mandriva 2006/2007 that's if I didn't have the cash to get MacPro then.
For the time, I will enjoy this SP1 of FC5!

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Issue are not with core
by robgarth on Thu 26th Oct 2006 01:00 UTC
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2006-04-30

Almost all of the bugs mentioned here are with third party repos, my suggestion, install third part stuff after install. It was always a concern that allowing third party software at install would create bugs, but this is not a problem with the Fedora Project. There are already a lot of patches in updates so cleary there are bugs, but these are not them.

And I will probably get flamed, but I am sick of ubuntu being overhyped. What they do well, package selection, distro size and a nice installer, upstart looks promising to. But both Novell/Suse and Redhat/Fedora have contributed far more, even to the software included in ubuntu.

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RE: Issue are not with core
by fsckit on Thu 26th Oct 2006 03:44 UTC in reply to "Issue are not with core"
fsckit Member since:
2006-09-24

Sssh don't say that too loudly. Yes adding third party repo support allows certain users with little patience to hang themselves at install time, but it also effectively made XFCE available again at install time by allowing extras to be turned on. That one tiny detail is enough to sell me on FC6.

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Fedora Core 6 - Speed
by jsagazio on Thu 26th Oct 2006 14:52 UTC
jsagazio
Member since:
2006-10-26

Is it still slow as ass?

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RE: Fedora Core 6 - Speed
by deb2006 on Thu 26th Oct 2006 15:02 UTC in reply to "Fedora Core 6 - Speed"
deb2006 Member since:
2006-06-26

I think it has gotten a bit better - but still not really good.

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No, I am not impressed by yum:
by deb2006 on Thu 26th Oct 2006 10:01 UTC
deb2006
Member since:
2006-06-26

yum is still _dead_ slow. I don't understand why it is dead slow, but compared to apt-get it is a joke.

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Nvidia drivers?
by snorkel on Thu 26th Oct 2006 15:41 UTC
snorkel
Member since:
2006-03-16

I get this when I try to install the nvidia drivers:
Transaction Check Error: package kernel-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6 is already installed
file /boot/System.map-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6 from install of kernel-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6 conflicts with file from package kernel-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6
file /boot/config-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6 from install of kernel-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6 conflicts with file from package kernel-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6
file /boot/symvers-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6.gz from install of kernel-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6 conflicts with file from package kernel-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6
file /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6 from install of kernel-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6 conflicts with file from package kernel-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6

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RE: Nvidia drivers?
by anyweb on Thu 26th Oct 2006 17:36 UTC in reply to "Nvidia drivers?"
anyweb Member since:
2005-07-06

have a look at this thread on the fedora-test-list

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2006-October/msg007...

cheers
anyweb

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Worked for me
by mjones on Fri 27th Oct 2006 00:37 UTC
mjones
Member since:
2006-06-14

I just upgraded from Fedora Core 5 to 6 without a single problem. I had blocked off time for issues but there were NONE!

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