Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 18th Jan 2007 00:34 UTC
Multimedia, AV This small tutorial will show you how to transcode your videos and movies to be suitable for viewing on an mpeg4-capable cellphone.
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Phone lover
by chocobanana on Thu 18th Jan 2007 01:18 UTC
chocobanana
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2006-01-04

You really love cellphones, don't you Eugenia? ;)

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RE: Phone lover
by Eugenia on Thu 18th Jan 2007 01:19 UTC in reply to "Phone lover"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I love gadgets in general, yes.

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RE: Phone lover
by Constantine XVI on Thu 18th Jan 2007 01:50 UTC in reply to "Phone lover"
Constantine XVI Member since:
2006-11-02

She's in fellow company.

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meh
by mikesum32 on Thu 18th Jan 2007 02:49 UTC
mikesum32
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2005-10-22

If you really want to watch movies on tiny screens, then go right ahead.

I'll stick with larger screens.

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RE: meh
by Eugenia on Thu 18th Jan 2007 02:50 UTC in reply to "meh"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Well, if you have nothing else to do on the ferry boat, or plane or bus, why not? Besides, I have a 2.8" QVGA smartphone, which is pretty large compared to feature phones.

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RE[2]: meh
by mikesum32 on Thu 18th Jan 2007 02:52 UTC in reply to "RE: meh"
mikesum32 Member since:
2005-10-22

I prefer a good book.

Doesn't anyone read anymore ?

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RE[3]: meh
by Eugenia on Thu 18th Jan 2007 03:25 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: meh"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Read? I tried to fill up a form last Friday when I went to the bank and I couldn't hold the pen and write legibly! I forgot how to use conventional means to communicate. ;)

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RE[3]: meh
by DaaT on Thu 18th Jan 2007 09:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: meh"
DaaT Member since:
2005-10-21

Agreed mike, reading is what I do on my train/subway ride to and from work, one book after the other ;)

Eugenia, tried the file and looks good on the Nokia 5300, only the sound is out of sync.

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RE[4]: meh
by Eugenia on Thu 18th Jan 2007 09:51 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: meh"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Out of sync sound, heh? Weird... Looks like a bug on the phone more than an encoding bug (except if the encoder actually uses VBR by default and the Series 40 don't support VBR well).

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RE[5]: meh
by Eugenia on Thu 18th Jan 2007 20:56 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: meh"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I have re-encoded and re-uploaded the mp4 file, this time using CBR instead of VBR. If you had out of sync A/V, it should work now. Let me know please.

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RE[3]: meh
by helf on Thu 18th Jan 2007 13:47 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: meh"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

No and yes.

Reading seems to be a dying activity with the newer generations (I'm 19 btw)... But a lot of older people still read ;) I work at a smallish library and we do 1-1500 book checks out a month. Not bad I guess.

I have movies on my cellphone, but I always have about 5 books in in the process of reading in my car.

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RE[4]: meh
by riha on Thu 18th Jan 2007 16:56 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: meh"
riha Member since:
2006-01-24

I hope you donīt read while you drive. :-)

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RE[5]: meh
by helf on Thu 18th Jan 2007 17:00 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: meh"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

umm... no? ;)

Only at red lights!

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RE: meh
by raver31 on Thu 18th Jan 2007 03:06 UTC in reply to "meh"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

You sir are a muppet.

My phone is carried everywhere. My big screen is not.
I can whip out my phone and watch a film when I am anywhere. I cannot do that with a big screen.

If I go into work, I can watch a movie, without anyone else noticing.


You, have your big screen........

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Movies
by audun on Thu 18th Jan 2007 07:06 UTC
audun
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2005-07-13

I encoded a few movies for my SE K800i (320x200) this summer. (I have an 1GB M2). It was really cool, but the screen isn't very big, so I think I prefer watching movies on my MacBook when I travel.

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RE: Movies
by Eugenia on Thu 18th Jan 2007 07:20 UTC in reply to "Movies"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Indeed, the K800i, liky my Linux ROKR E2, only have a 2.0" screen, which is really small. However, any thing beyond 2.2" is pretty comfortable.

BTW, exactly because your screen is too small, you might want to re-encode your movies to 176x144 instead at 192 kbps. You won't see any difference in quality, as the pixel size is really small -- and it will save you space.

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RE[2]: Movies
by audun on Thu 18th Jan 2007 08:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Movies"
audun Member since:
2005-07-13

Yes, I hade Shrek 2 in a lower resolution and it's ok quality, a total of about 40MB. But I like the crisp with full resolution :o)

Die Hard 2 took about 350MB. But I used Super to create 3GP movies, maybe I should try MPEG4. These days I play with my new Mac, so maybe later. I haven't had a Mac since I was 11 years old...

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RE[3]: Movies
by Eugenia on Thu 18th Jan 2007 09:05 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Movies"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Try with the settings I suggested (192 kbps if you have a qvga screen) and you will see it will be good quality. ;)

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RE[4]: Movies
by audun on Thu 18th Jan 2007 09:12 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Movies"
audun Member since:
2005-07-13

Thank you! Have a great day!

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Linux
by richip on Thu 18th Jan 2007 07:10 UTC
richip
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2006-08-30

Could someone come up with a Linux version?

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RE: Linux
by Eugenia on Thu 18th Jan 2007 07:17 UTC in reply to "Linux"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

There are a few here: http://www.gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=91 but I can't comment on how good/bad they are. There are command line utilities that do the job as well as MediaCoder does, but for a good GUI, you might have to search a bit and might have to do compromises.

For the Mac, there is the ffmpeg-gui project and Handbreak and a few more too.

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RE: Linux
by raver31 on Thu 18th Jan 2007 09:26 UTC in reply to "Linux"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

There are a couple of good tools.

The best is Lin3gp, then there is 3gpwiz.
Both work with whatever decoders you have installed, and the quality is very good on my SLVR at 177x144 if the video rate is 50 and frame rate is 25. makes the files about 50mb.

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need more juice
by mipeligro on Thu 18th Jan 2007 07:24 UTC
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2006-06-03

I'm going to wait until my cellphone battery lasts long enough for Gone With The Wind. ;)

Nice tutorial, though.

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RE: need more juice
by Eugenia on Thu 18th Jan 2007 07:32 UTC in reply to "need more juice"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I don't think that cellphones will ever offer better battery life. What I mean, is that there are cellphones that have short battery life (e.g. Samsung P300) and there are cellphones that have very long battery life (e.g. SE W810i and Nokia E61). It all depends how big/capacious is the battery the manufacturer puts in the handset, and that usually depends if the phone is supposed to be a business device etc. And when a new battery technology arrives, manufacturers will make sure they use a really small battery in order to make the phone smaller, resulting at similar battery lives as we get today.

In other words, if you want to play movies on your phone, simply get a phone that has a good battery life. I would normally recommend to get the W810i, but it has a small screen, 2.0". So try to get a phone that is known to have a pretty goood battery life and has a 2.2" screen at least.

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RE[2]: need more juice
by raver31 on Thu 18th Jan 2007 09:29 UTC in reply to "RE: need more juice"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

Motorola seems to have learned that lesson. My C975 battery would be flat in 36 hours if not charged, but they sold a high-capacity battery which lasted for around 6 days.
My SLVR L7 battery that was standard with the phone goes for around 17 days between charges..... or for 6 complete films.

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H.264 ?
by angrymike on Thu 18th Jan 2007 09:54 UTC
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2005-07-27

"but unfortunately, no normal cellphone as of yet supports h.264 (only the iPods do, PDA phones with TCPMP installed and the SONY PSP after a plugin installation)"

Doesn't the Nokia N73 support it?

http://forum.nokia.com/devices/N73

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RE: H.264 ?
by Eugenia on Thu 18th Jan 2007 09:59 UTC in reply to "H.264 ?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

I have a friend who has an N73, I can ask him. If the N73 does support it, is among the first devices that do.

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RE[2]: H.264 ?
by Valde on Thu 18th Jan 2007 11:48 UTC in reply to "RE: H.264 ?"
Valde Member since:
2007-01-18

N73 (or included RealPlayer) supports AMR-NB, AMR-WB, AAC, RealAudio, RealVideo, H.263, MPEG-4.

http://www.nokia.fi/puhelimet/puhelinmallit/n73/tarkka_tuoteseloste...

Edited 2007-01-18 11:54

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Linux conversion
by WereCatf on Thu 18th Jan 2007 11:51 UTC
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

I just use Mencoder under Linux to convert movies/music videos, but then again, I use SmartMovie on my phone so I can just encode to mp3/xvid. A good gui for encoding stuff under Linux would be nice, and I think even I could do the programming, but I just never get myself to actually do anything useful :O

EDIT: Just thought to mention I noticed that there does exist a third-party h.264 decoder for S60 phones: http://www.arm.com/community/display_product.php?ProductId=2409&dis...

Though given it's limitations in picture size and framerate, I'll just stick to xvid

Edited 2007-01-18 11:59

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For macusers i would recommend "Handbrake"
by riha on Thu 18th Jan 2007 12:00 UTC
riha
Member since:
2006-01-24

Killer app for these things.

handbrake.m0k.org

I have tried it for my Sony Ericson M600 and the movies works flawlessly when played.

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Thanks!
by letsrock on Thu 18th Jan 2007 16:52 UTC
letsrock
Member since:
2005-09-08

Eugenia, I just wanted to say thank you for an excellent article and pointing out MediaCoder as an option! I've been looking for a way to get some of my DVDs on to my Siemens SX-66 without having to encode twice and hopefully this will be the answer.

Pete sends...<eom>

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what about os x?
by broken_symlink on Fri 19th Jan 2007 02:30 UTC
broken_symlink
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2005-07-06

i have an e61 and quicktime pro. but when i ripped a video the quality wasn't very good on my phone. i just picked mpeg-4 improved and set the resolution to 320x240 but it looks grainy. any tips?

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RE: what about os x?
by Eugenia on Fri 19th Jan 2007 02:58 UTC in reply to "what about os x?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Download this QVGA clip on your E61 and tell me if you are happy how it looks like, and if yes I will reply with how to do it exactly with QuickTime PRO.
http://www.osnews.com/img/16983/f3.mp4

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RE[2]: what about os x?
by broken_symlink on Sat 20th Jan 2007 01:25 UTC in reply to "RE: what about os x?"
broken_symlink Member since:
2005-07-06

it looks good to me. however, the video i tried to encode was full screen not wide, so maybe that had something to do with it. i'll try the instructions anyway and see what happens. thanks.

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RE[3]: what about os x?
by Eugenia on Sat 20th Jan 2007 03:30 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: what about os x?"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Ok, check this screenshot to see how exactly to setup your QuickTime Pro to encode your videos with a good average of quality-size:

http://www.osnews.com/img/16983/qt.png

320kbps is good for a 4:3 movie encoding (like the one you try to convert) and I would advocate that 290kbps is good for 16:9 videos (like the one in my screenshot above), while 256kbps is enough for super-widescreen movies (like the 'Fantastic Four' trailer in the article).

Just make sure that everything else is as in the screenshot. Both the video and the audio screens are setup as shown.

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RE: what about os x?
by ormandj on Fri 19th Jan 2007 20:31 UTC in reply to "what about os x?"
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

I've found using quicktime you must set video bitrate to 400-500 depending on the file with mp4 improved in order to get non-blocky video. I usually use 96kbit aac + 500kbit video @ 320x240 in mp4 format and the results look good on my E61.

I'm a bit disappointed though, I can't find any easy way to convert DVDs on macs (handbrake is old/outdated, forget it...) If there was some way to rip a DVD into a single mpeg2 file (not conversion, just ripping but instead of into a bunch of VOBs, into one mpeg2 file) and then use quicktime pro to convert that, I'd be happy. Much easier than the mess I have to go through now with Windows/MeGUI/thousands of tools/etc.

That said, I did find for now at least - the quality is better to use the divx codec in quicktime pro to encode and the divx player to playback. I hate realplayer anyways, so it doesn't bother me.

I wish there was a good h.264 player for my E61 - that's my preferred codec.

Edited 2007-01-19 20:32

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LG Fusic
by wiz99 on Wed 24th Jan 2007 02:17 UTC
wiz99
Member since:
2007-01-24

I just bought an LG Fusic. Tried the demo video from the tutorial and it works great. I tried to encode my own video (original video is a 4:3 ratio XviD encoded avi) and when I loaded the video onto my phone, the audio worked fine, but the phone did not show any video. Any ideas? I followed the tutorial exactly.

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RE: LG Fusic
by Eugenia on Wed 24th Jan 2007 06:56 UTC in reply to "LG Fusic"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Phones don't support .avi files. You should follow my tutorial *exactly* to make it work on your phone.

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RE[2]: LG Fusic
by wiz99 on Wed 24th Jan 2007 13:35 UTC in reply to "RE: LG Fusic"
wiz99 Member since:
2007-01-24

I did follow it exactly...I was saying the "original" file was an AVI. The file I loaded on my phone was a MP4 file.

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RE[3]: LG Fusic
by Eugenia on Wed 24th Jan 2007 21:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: LG Fusic"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

you obviously did something wrong then... If the tutorial video worked and yours didn't, an option was not selected right.

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RE[4]: LG Fusic
by wiz99 on Wed 24th Jan 2007 21:41 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: LG Fusic"
wiz99 Member since:
2007-01-24

Could there be any difference between a video with a 4:3 ratio and a video with a 16:9 ratio (I believe your example was 16:9)? I am almost positive that I followed the tutorial exactly. What version of MediaCoder did you use in your example?

BTW...Thanks for putting the tutorial together and answering questions.

Edited 2007-01-24 21:49

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RE[5]: LG Fusic
by Eugenia on Wed 24th Jan 2007 23:58 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: LG Fusic"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

No, there is no difference, because we always use the "letterbox" effect as shown in the tutorial. I used the latest stable version of mediacoder:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/mediacoder/MediaCoder-0.5.1-r9.e...

BTW, email me or IM me to get this problem solved as I won't be reading this forum for too long.

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