Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 14th Oct 2009 22:22 UTC
Morphos As we all know, the MorphOS team recently released MorphOS 2.4, which added support for the PowerPC G4 version of Apple's Mac Mini. Even though this long-awaited 'feature' is a very welcome one, I personally think that of all the G4 Macs MorphOS could support, the Mini is the least interesting. As such, I want to find out if any other G4 Macs happen to be supported too - without us knowing about it.
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some work but are not supported
by poundsmack on Wed 14th Oct 2009 22:46 UTC
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2005-07-13

there are a few power book models that semi work, and 1 or 2 desktop G4 systems. They much have an ati graphics card as I don't believe they system will run at all on an nvidia system. if i recall correctly the graphics much also be on the AGP bus but i am not 100% sure.

(i think, in order. ati model only)
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP106
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP63
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP78
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP62

these are systems that should boot and be "useable" all features (such as firewire and combo drivers) are not likely to work, or at least work properly.

Edited 2009-10-14 22:56 UTC

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hmm... yeah
by umccullough on Wed 14th Oct 2009 23:00 UTC
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2006-01-26

I've been considering picking up some modern PPC hardware eventually, perhaps a decent cheap G4-based mac would be the ticket if it had a couple OS options to throw at it ;)

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Open firmware is only PPC right?
by John Blink on Wed 14th Oct 2009 23:14 UTC
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2005-10-11

Sorry off-topic, but I would like to know.

Open firmware is only found on PPC Macs. Is there something equivalent on the Intel Macs that I could access?

Thanks.

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bugjacobs Member since:
2009-01-03

I dont have any personal experience but from what I believe , a G4-ppc CPU based system is an absolute must ..

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Actually, OpenFirmware started at SUN. So it can be found in most SPARC desktop/servers, and quite a few IBM POWER systems. Besides the obvious Apple/PPC connection.

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

I'm not aware of any way to access the EFI on Intel Macs the way you could access Openfirmware on the ppc Macs. EFI is modular and a control interface need not be included if the OEM doesn't wish to, and I do not believe Apple included any type of EFI shell other than the boot device selector (hold down option key at boot-up, or C to boot from CD/DVD) . I really loved Openfirmware though, too bad there's no x86 systems that have it or another CLI-based boot firmware. Might be time for me to find a decently-priced Sparc workstation, I've always wanted one of those and that's where Openfirmware originated.

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StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Might be time for me to find a decently-priced Sparc workstation, I've always wanted one of those and that's where Openfirmware originated.


This might interest you:

http://vfxweb.com/index.php?maincateg=18&subcateg=110&productid=115...

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Hardware check by MorphOS
by -ujb- on Thu 15th Oct 2009 00:37 UTC
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2005-10-21

According to a MorphOS team member MorphOS asks at boot what maschine it is running on. In case of Apple hardware the boot will only be continued if Mac Mini hardware is found.
But it seems rather likely, that other Apple PPC hardware will be added to the hardware support list in the middle future.
For the long run another alternative is required anyway...

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Wont boot on Blue
by bebop on Thu 15th Oct 2009 01:09 UTC
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2009-05-12

I tried to boot the livecd on the blue tower g4 and got stuck at the same place Thom did. I will check this out on a mac mini tomorrow.

On a side note I remember looking at morphos when it was still really young and wanting to test it out. However it has always been made for a platform I did not have. Being able to test a livecd is a real treat!

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OT: EFI utility ReFit
by adricnet on Thu 15th Oct 2009 05:08 UTC
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2005-07-01

There is nifty a tool to get more use out of EFI on Intel Macs: http://refit.sourceforge.net/

Allows you to create boot menus and access an EFI cli among other things. I haven't installed it in some time but it was helpful when I was trying out BootCamp.

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Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Thu 15th Oct 2009 06:27 UTC
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2005-11-10

Should have mailed the devs to see if this was a) even possible and b) something they wanted.

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Thankfully the Amiga scene has some santity
by wonea on Thu 15th Oct 2009 08:14 UTC
wonea
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2005-10-28

I love this article, and I for one are one of those who've been begging for this since years. I'll see how my Quicksilver G4 performs, wish me luck.

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Android Fan
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2005-08-20

C'mon guys, as a MorphOS user I appreciate the coverage but couldn't you give 2.4 a shot on its supported hardware the PPC Mac mini (or Pegasos or Efika) before going off and experimenting with unsupported Macs?

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wonea Member since:
2005-10-28

I think everyone is a little excited including Thom. Can't really blame us. This is very exciting.

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Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

I’ll be doing the supported bit, I will need time to actually use the OS daily and do a review proper justice. Just remember my GEOS review.

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Comment by defdog99
by defdog99 on Thu 15th Oct 2009 14:36 UTC
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2006-09-06

Amiga > Mac 1991

MorphOS Amiga-like-OS > Mac OS 2009

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possible solution
by rzookol on Thu 15th Oct 2009 17:08 UTC
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2009-10-15

morphos won't run on macs with different northbridge (like peg1 version doesn't work on peg2 and vice versa) than mac mini so only latest powerbooks and powermacs could run it. If morphos tests machine id maybe changing it in OF could help (if this change is available)

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Nothing like phoning it in...
by Odwalla on Thu 15th Oct 2009 18:41 UTC
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2006-02-01

So in one article it's mentioned that a)it would be nice to know if MorphOS 2.4 works on non-Mini G4 Macs and b)that there's a dearth of non-mainstream OS articles on OSNews. These comments were made by the article author and editor of the site.

Here's a crazy idea, contact the MorphOS devs and conduct an interview that you could post. This would allow you to get direct and correct answers to your questions and provide you with content for the site. It would certainly be more interesting and informative than asking a random collection of viewers to try an OS on hardware that is not officially supported. The best you're going to get in this fashion is a bunch of comments of "Nope, doesn't work" or "Well, it kind of works". There's no context to those responses, though. No answer to "Why?". The devs could give you your hardware list and explain to you the through process(es) behind the decision.

This article represents a huge missed opportunity, truly.

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MorphOS Developer Interview
by wonea on Fri 16th Oct 2009 08:19 UTC
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2005-10-28

Yes, a MorphOS developer interview would be fantastic. Would love to read that. Especially I'd like to hear more about the conflict with Genesi, future direction, their favourite applications, Ambient and how that is open source, congratulate them on supporting the Mac Mini, etc..... So many interesting things to write about........

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trial run on my mini
by garyd on Fri 16th Oct 2009 16:10 UTC
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2008-10-22

Although we have some of the mirrored door Macs still around at the office, my primary production machine at home is my first gen PPC Mac mini. So I downloaded the test ISO and boot from the disc. My USB Apple keyboard was not detected (the newer, slimline model with numeric keypad, product # MB110LL/A). So I had to plug my mouse in to the back of the mini since it didn't work daisy chained through a non-detected keyboard.

I'll try to remember to take home a more generic keyboard to test it with but that was a bit disappointing as I could launch a lot of apps but couldn't do type anything to even find out if I had a network connection or not. As an owner of an Amiga 500 & 1200, I can't say this is anything like the AmigaOS experience I'm used to. As it is, if I were to install an alternate to OS X, I'd probably go with Yellow Dog Linux or one of the other current PPC Linux builds.

-Gary

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RE: trial run on my mini
by AmigaRobbo on Fri 16th Oct 2009 20:46 UTC in reply to "trial run on my mini"
AmigaRobbo Member since:
2005-11-15

If it the same keyboard I'm thinking of, there's a slight bug in 2.4 that means it dosn't work, it did work in previous versions.

I'm sure they'll be a fix sooner rather than later. At the risk of sounding like a Linux 'fan' my Generic USB keyboard works for me(tm)

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RE: trial run on my mini
by Android Fan on Sat 17th Oct 2009 06:57 UTC in reply to "trial run on my mini"
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2005-08-20

MorphOS 2.4 runs very well on my PPC Mac mini from the first time I tried it. I've just used the liveCD functionality so far. It recognized my kb, which is the original one that came with my Mac mini, and the Logitech USB mouse I have connected through the kb. Sound worked. All that was required to get networking to work was to enter network preferences and click "use." After that I could run either of the include web-browsers.

I think I've heard a couple reports that that silvery flat keyboard marketed (as an inexpensive replacement?) by Apple doesn't work, but I imagine the MorphOS Team will issue an update for this in very little time.

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RE: trial run on my mini
by garyd on Sat 17th Oct 2009 21:33 UTC in reply to "RE: trial run on my mini"
garyd Member since:
2008-10-22

The mini has never come with either a keyboard or a mouse. What keyboard are you using?

-Gary

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trying to hack it with OF
by douglasm on Fri 16th Oct 2009 21:21 UTC
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2009-03-23

I tried to fool the MorphOS' bootstrapper using the following (in OF):

dev /rom/boot-rom
.properties
" Apple PowerMac 10,2 4.9.4f1 BootROM built on 07/12/05 at 16:57:27" encode-string " model" property
boot cd:\mac_ppc32\boot.img

But it continues to refuse to boot.
My machine is PowerMac3,4 and videocard is "0001:10:15.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]" (it is listed as supported on their site).

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Patience
by Senex on Sat 17th Oct 2009 10:59 UTC
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2005-11-30

Internal developer versions obviously do already support further models (at least partially), thus it seems to be just a matter of time.

Recent photo of MorphOS on an eMac:

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1695

Old photo of MorphOS on a Powerbook:

http://bigfoot.morphos-team.net/test/powerbook_insert_forbidden_mes...

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PowerBook G4 1GHz FW800 Fail
by chrisfriberg on Sat 17th Oct 2009 20:34 UTC
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2009-04-08

Sorry, it has ATI video, but freezes at the bootloader like Thom's.

Any interesting OS's to try on this machine? The hard drive is dead. I was thinking of booting a PPC linux LiveCD but don't know of any.

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RE: PowerBook G4 1GHz FW800 Fail
by Fool on Sat 17th Oct 2009 21:50 UTC in reply to "PowerBook G4 1GHz FW800 Fail"
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2009-10-17

Ubuntu has a live CD that would probably work for you.

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