Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 19th Jan 2010 22:40 UTC
Internet Explorer Despite sticking to its guns that the Google attack flaw in Internet Explorer 6 is limited in scope, Microsoft has promised to release an out-of-band security update to close the vulnerability in Internet Explorer 6. Out of band means that it will be released outside of the usual patch cycle.
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Stop Using it?
by iaefai on Wed 20th Jan 2010 00:33 UTC
iaefai
Member since:
2009-12-14

Would anyone blame Microsoft for not updating IE6 anymore?

When is the official end of IE6 support scheduled if it is?

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RE: Stop Using it?
by kragil on Wed 20th Jan 2010 01:25 UTC in reply to "Stop Using it?"
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

MS (like other OS vendors) supports the _whole_ OS in its release form for a certain number of year.

For XP that includes IE6 and AFAIK until 2014.

Edit: And there are still very large corps that depend on IE6 for certain custom apps. Sad but true.
Those customers are very important to MS and have a lot of lawyers that will make certain MS supports IE6 as long as they said out to do.
But even those could use Firefox for web browsing.

Edited 2010-01-20 01:28 UTC

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RE[2]: Stop Using it?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 20th Jan 2010 05:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Stop Using it?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Do you really think its a lawyer thing? I think the carrot of a consistant lucrative revenue stream is much more enticing for microsoft than the stick of lawyers. I mean these companies were dumb enough to tie their future to MS, those kind of customers you need to keep around to sell your next horrible product.

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RE[3]: Stop Using it?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 20th Jan 2010 06:14 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Stop Using it?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I stand by that statement.

Companies that wrote apps for IE 6 that would never work for any other browser were stupid.

I'm not just saying that with hindsight. I was working for companies that did this, told them it was stupid proposed solutions that were standard based and just as effective. They didn't see it my way, I refused and wrote my stuff to work with ie and phoenix ( now firefox). Guess what, my app still works. My coworkers .... they had to rewrite due to the owner's demand for mac compatibility (safari).

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RE[4]: Stop Using it?
by spudley99 on Wed 20th Jan 2010 10:36 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Stop Using it?"
spudley99 Member since:
2009-03-25

Guess what, my app still works. My coworkers .... they had to rewrite due to the owner's demand for mac compatibility (safari).


So in other words, you co-workers got to keep their jobs, while you made yourself expendable.

(eh, sorry. excuse the cynic in me...)

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RE[5]: Stop Using it?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 20th Jan 2010 15:45 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Stop Using it?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Funny, but not true. Think about their performance reviews:

Manager: " Your project had to be completely redone."
Employee: " Yes because you told me to write it for IE"
Manager: " Bill's project of a similar scope works for IE and it still works for Safari."
Employee: "You told me to focus on IE and to NOT make it compatible for anything else."
Manager: " I never told you to make it so you'd have to rewrite it. That's your mistake. Bill will be in charge of designing the replacement. "

And that's pretty much how I ended up in charge there.

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RE[6]: Stop Using it?
by chrisfriberg on Wed 20th Jan 2010 16:35 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Stop Using it?"
chrisfriberg Member since:
2009-04-08

It seems illogical, but you keep your job by always making yourself 'expendable'. The easier you make your job for a monkey to do, the more likely your position will be filled by a monkey. Where does that move you in a manager's eye? Up!

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RE[7]: Stop Using it?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 20th Jan 2010 18:09 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Stop Using it?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

You're looking at it in a zero growth company. If there is nothing to be done IT wise other than maintenance, you might have a point. If you are in a high growth company with lots of work, you're dead wrong.

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RE[4]: Stop Using it?
by nt_jerkface on Wed 20th Jan 2010 19:47 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Stop Using it?"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Companies that wrote apps for IE 6 that would never work for any other browser were stupid.

I'm not just saying that with hindsight. I was working for companies that did this, told them it was stupid proposed solutions that were standard based and just as effective.


I thought it was a bad idea at the time as well and was shocked by how common it was. I didn't trust IE6 to surf the web without crashing and yet all these companies were tying it to their intranet apps.

But that's only half the problem. There's also the problem of companies not wanting to spend a dime on upgrading their workstations. They need to be banned from websites or at least nagged with the IE6Update script.
http://ie6update.com/

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Comment by cerbie
by cerbie on Wed 20th Jan 2010 05:34 UTC
cerbie
Member since:
2006-01-02

"Microsoft advises to upgrade to IE 8"

More accurately, hey advise upgrading operating systems and hardware, so that you can install and run IE 8. They just do so by not making IE7 or IE8 work in anything remotely old.

OTOH, I've been running other browsers for a long time, anyway.

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Misuse of "Out of band"
by mintar on Wed 20th Jan 2010 10:32 UTC
mintar
Member since:
2008-09-26

Out of band means that it will be released outside of the usual patch cycle.

They have a strange use for "out of band". From here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-band

In general language, "out-of-band" refers to communications which occur outside of a previously established communication method or channel.

They are using the usual communication channels, so this could be called out-of-sync with the usual patch schedule or something, but not out-of-band.

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RE: Misuse of "Out of band"
by jgagnon on Wed 20th Jan 2010 14:44 UTC in reply to "Misuse of "Out of band""
jgagnon Member since:
2008-06-24

They have a strange use for "out of band". From here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-band

In general language, "out-of-band" refers to communications which occur outside of a previously established communication method or channel.


Unless you consider the timing as part of their "method". In which case, supplying the update at a different time is "out of band".

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