Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 27th Sep 2011 21:17 UTC
Windows Starting today, Microsoft is pushing out the first major update to its Windows Phone operating system, to 98% of Windows Phone users (the other two will just have to wait). It's loaded with changes and improvement, and this time around, the rollout process appears to be pretty smooth. Another nice touch: Mango beta users (right here) will get the update to the final version like everybody else - you won't have to downgrade to NoDo as previously stated.
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reverted already!
by Adurbe on Tue 27th Sep 2011 22:13 UTC
Adurbe
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2005-07-06

I reverted my phone back last week in preperation for the update. I have had to put up with non-multitasking for a week when I didnt have to!!

Lovely update though, few differences from the beta (few more features work!). Now looking forward to spotify for mango

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v Comment by andih
by andih on Tue 27th Sep 2011 22:40 UTC
Cool
by tomcat on Wed 28th Sep 2011 00:20 UTC
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I've been holding off on getting a new phone until Mango. Here's a pretty good review...

http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/27/windows-phone-75-mango-review/

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RE: Cool
by WorknMan on Wed 28th Sep 2011 06:55 UTC in reply to "Cool"
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2005-11-13

I've been holding off on getting a new phone until Mango. Here's a pretty good review...


I've been interested in Windows Phone too, as possibly a third alternative to iOS and Android, but like pre-iOS5 and iTunes, if I have to use/install the craptastic Zune software on Windows to perform updates and/or get files on/off the phone, that is a deal breaker, esp for the latter. I need to know that I can go to any PC and transfer files to and from the PC without any additional software required (mass storage devices ftw).

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RE[2]: Cool
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 28th Sep 2011 06:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Cool"
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2005-06-29

I need to know that I can go to any PC and transfer files to and from the PC without any additional software required (mass storage devices ftw).


Agreed, although Zune is massively better than iTunes. It's very light and quick, unlike iTunes, which is slower than a fat man on a broken unicycle.

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RE[3]: Cool
by WorknMan on Wed 28th Sep 2011 07:03 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Cool"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Agreed, although Zune is massively better than iTunes.


Doesn't really matter if you hate them both though, does it? It's like saying that the shit I took last night was better than the one I took this morning.

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RE[4]: Cool
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 28th Sep 2011 07:14 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Cool"
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2005-06-29

"Agreed, although Zune is massively better than iTunes.


Doesn't really matter if you hate them both though, does it? It's like saying that the shit I took last night was better than the one I took this morning.
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True, but it seems like that unless you go with Android, you're pretty much stuck with one of these horrible applications. As such, picking the "right" one isn't entirely unimportant.

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RE[5]: Cool
by masennus on Wed 28th Sep 2011 08:51 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Cool"
masennus Member since:
2011-02-11

I just won't buy a phone that dictates what operating system I will have to use on my computer. Still hoping to get a N9, if it ever shows up that is, which will be my last nokia.

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RE[6]: Cool
by No it isnt on Wed 28th Sep 2011 09:33 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Cool"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

That's the one I want as well. Seems like a very capable phone. There are rumours that only 92450 or so units have been produced, but I think that's bullshit as Nokia are marketing it pretty heavily, despite it being a phone many people already want.

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RE[5]: Cool
by Neolander on Wed 28th Sep 2011 18:12 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Cool"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Agree. On bada, you have to face Samsung Kies, which "disaster" doesn't even remotely describe. On nokia OSs, the reasonably good PC suite is getting replaced by an OVI-branded abomination... It's getting hard to find a phone without terrible PC connectivity software to deal with.

Edited 2011-09-28 18:14 UTC

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RE[6]: Cool
by juzzlin on Thu 29th Sep 2011 14:03 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Cool"
juzzlin Member since:
2011-05-06

USB storage is one the biggest reasons why I use Android. Symbian supports USB storage, too.

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RE[2]: Cool
by Adurbe on Wed 28th Sep 2011 19:10 UTC in reply to "RE: Cool"
Adurbe Member since:
2005-07-06

once they release the spotify app you can use that for your music needs (they have an app for most the big players but you need premium to take advantage)

Once windows phone gets a bit more share then im sure pic transfers will be supported in whatever app you happen to favour.

Currently I use a small registry hack to mount it as a hard disk which Picasa plays happily with.

http://thetechjournal.com/how-to/turn-windows-phone-7-into-usb-driv...

Zune running the updates is fine by me.

edit: my href was wonkey

Edited 2011-09-28 19:13 UTC

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RE[2]: Cool
by BDub on Wed 28th Sep 2011 19:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Cool"
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2011-09-28

Folk you have 25GB of Skydrive storage. A non-issue.

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RE[2]: Cool
by fifthecho on Thu 29th Sep 2011 12:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Cool"
fifthecho Member since:
2007-11-07

If on a Mac, there's the Windows Phone Connector software...so there's that.
Unfortunately, Windows Phone (and Zune) aren't supported by Linux/BSD, but for the main two players (Windows and Mac) they are supported.
Additionally, add me as a +1 to the "Zune really is nice to use" camp.

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That's one of the very few times I see the Zune
by MollyC on Thu 29th Sep 2011 15:33 UTC in reply to "RE: Cool"
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

software trashed. I don't have a WP7 or a Zune, but I do use Zune Pass, and so use the Zune desktop app daily to play music, watch some vids, and I don't see how anyone could call it "craptastic". Most that use it acknowledge it to be better than iTunes, and it's actually one of my favorite apps.

But to each her own, I guess.

But even if you hate the Zune desktop app, why would that be a "deal breaker" wrt WP7? You'd only have to use the Zune app for occassional software updates, anyway. Or spend only a few minutes in the app to sync media onto the handset. Seems strange that that would be a "dealbreaker".

Edited 2011-09-29 15:40 UTC

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tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

But even if you hate the Zune desktop app, why would that be a "deal breaker" wrt WP7? You'd only have to use the Zune app for occassional software updates, anyway. Or spend only a few minutes in the app to sync media onto the handset. Seems strange that that would be a "dealbreaker".


No, it's a credibility breaker.

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

and so use the Zune desktop app daily to play music, watch some vids, and I don't see how anyone could call it "craptastic". Most that use it acknowledge it to be better than iTunes, and it's actually one of my favorite apps.


Well, given that iTunes (the Windows version anyway) is one of the worst pieces of software ever to be released, saying that an app is better than iTunes is hardly a credible benchmark. As for why it is craptastic, I could write paragraphs on that, but the short version is that it gets its ass handed to it by Media Monkey, and I don't even like MM that much, but it is miles ahead of Zune in functionality.

But even if you hate the Zune desktop app, why would that be a "deal breaker" wrt WP7?


I'll answer that with a question... why should I have to use a piece of software I hate for either firmware updates or direct-to-PC file transfers, when Android doesn't require either one? Hence, there is no reason technically why this should be necessary, other than MS wanting to shove Zune down your throat. Of course, there are practical reasons also... what if I want to get files off a Linux box, or a PC where Zune isn't required? Then I have to upload to Skydrive first? No thanks ;)

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tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

As for why it is craptastic, I could write paragraphs on that, but the short version is that it gets its ass handed to it by Media Monkey, and I don't even like MM that much, but it is miles ahead of Zune in functionality.


You have a strange definition of "craptastic". I think that most people would interpret that word as synonymous with "crap", which Zune software most assuredly is not -- in both absolute and relative terms. It's nice that you find Media Monkey works for you better than Zune, but wouldn't it be fairer to simply say that Media Monkey is "exemplary" rather than tearing down a perfectly good piece of software?

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Comment by Luminair
by Luminair on Wed 28th Sep 2011 02:13 UTC
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2007-03-30

microsoft will pretty obviously launch windows 8 for phones and desktops and laptops simultaneously. it is not obvious that it will work on current windows phones.

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RE: Comment by Luminair
by zima on Thu 29th Sep 2011 01:23 UTC in reply to "Comment by Luminair"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

I think it will work. Technically, winphone8 shouldn't be a problem for current models, the handsets on the market have strong minimum hardware.

But if MS won't offer it, there will be a backlash, massive negative PR. By that time, they most likely still won't have a market position which would afford them allowing for such PR; they will very much need and prefer a good PR (like, say, when offering an upgrade). And I'm sure they know it.

By that time, they possibly still won't have too many long time users. Not enough to be notably impacted by handset / license sales lost to any upgrade. Continuing to build the mindshare will be more important.

But I wonder when we might get paid phone OS upgrades (not only from MS; Apple already charged for iPod Touch upgrades after all), especially when the hardware might reach "good enough" stage sooner than we think (after all it is already limited largely by battery tech ...which doesn't improve very rapidly)

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We do not need WP7!
by stargazer on Wed 28th Sep 2011 10:37 UTC
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2011-08-26

Windows 8 system requirements will be same as Windows 7, if not lower, which are: 1 GHz CPU (ARM or x86) 1 GB RAM, 16 GB HDD and DirectX 9 capability.

Look at the latest and upcoming smartphone specs: 1.5 GHz ARM CPU, 1 GB RAM, 64 GB SSD, DirectX 9 capable GPU and qHD screen. Let's not forget upcoming Intel Moorestown x86 CPU for phones and tablets.

Why do we need Windows Phone 7 when we can run Windows 8 with Metro UI on the same hardware?

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RE: We do not need WP7!
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 28th Sep 2011 10:49 UTC in reply to "We do not need WP7!"
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2005-06-29

Windows 9 will most likely unify the two.

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About time
by wocowboy on Wed 28th Sep 2011 11:01 UTC
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2006-06-01

A year to update a phone OS? Really?? And how many updates did Apple and Google push for their phones in their first year? I've tried all three, each has its quirks, iOS is the smoothest and most capable, which stands to reason since it has been around the longest. Android is the geek's phone OS, some basic functions are buried deep down in menus. And Windows Phone 7 System-whatever has the cryptic Metro interface that just doesn't cut it for me (just my opinion, it might work fine for others, but look at the numbers, I think they're on my side).

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RE: About time
by sc3252 on Wed 28th Sep 2011 11:36 UTC in reply to "About time"
sc3252 Member since:
2005-09-06

The only problem I have with android, and its a big problem, is that the phone manufacturers never update their phones... So even if they(Google) release quite often I have a better feeling that MS will update all the hardware instead of Samsung saying "We did are obligatory 2 releases over 18 months, lets stop".

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RE[2]: About time
by bolomkxxviii on Wed 28th Sep 2011 11:47 UTC in reply to "RE: About time"
bolomkxxviii Member since:
2006-05-19

Two updates in 18 months is a problem? I have and HTC Inspire that I have had for almost a year and have had two updates already. Even if they don't send out any more updates, I have only one more year to go before it is time to change the phone.

Each phone ecosystem has its quirks. For me Android works best. I can see how some would like iOS better. WP7 still seems to be more than a year behind. With the death of WebOS and Blackberry & Nokia fading fast I hope WP7 catches up soon as I would hate to have only two choices in the smartphone market.

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RE[3]: About time
by zima on Thu 29th Sep 2011 01:42 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: About time"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

HTC Inspire ... I have only one more year to go before it is time to change the phone

How exactly does that in one year it is time to change the phone (particularly one quite powerful even now, most likely even then) work? Especially if the phone works fine... (bar any possible cessation of official OS upgrades of course)

We really shouldn't succumb so easily to imposed upgrades, to carriers promoting them.

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RE[3]: About time
by dsmogor on Fri 30th Sep 2011 12:35 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: About time"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

If you are tackling this from user perspective I believe Android clones give best of both worlds: diverse user experience choices while preserving (mostly) api compatibility.

Having to rewrite every app to another set of apis that differ for the sake of being different doesn't benefit anybody but the api creator.

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RE: About time
by suryad on Thu 29th Sep 2011 02:14 UTC in reply to "About time"
suryad Member since:
2005-07-09

Rooting is your friend. I know it's not something people want to hear but my Evo 4G is right now running the HTC Runnymede OS. Sure some things need a bit of work but there are so many alternatives. Cyanogenmod should work for most. If I didn't have these OS upgrades I would have gotten pretty bored with my Evo. Rooting just extends the life of your phone so much!

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RE: About time
by MollyC on Thu 29th Sep 2011 15:31 UTC in reply to "About time"
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

This is the second update to WP7. There was the earlier "NoDo" update.

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Improvement
by Clinton on Thu 29th Sep 2011 18:21 UTC
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2005-07-05

While by all accounts Mango is a vast improvement over Microsoft's previous attempts at a phone (and let's be honest, what wouldn't be), everybody else still does it better.

I think for a marketing tag line Microsoft should use: "Mango, another 'me too' technology from the company you trust."

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RE: Improvement
by tomcat on Thu 29th Sep 2011 18:31 UTC in reply to "Improvement"
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2006-01-06

...everybody else still does it better...


How so?

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