Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 12th Apr 2012 11:00 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "In the past months Sony has been confronted with everything from a foundering TV business to a massive tax charge that together have pushed its expected loss for financial year 2011 to a record $6.4 billion. Today, Sony has gathered the press at its head office in Minato ward, Tokyo, so that recently-appointed CEO Kazuo Hirai can explain how he plans to turn the newly reorganized 'One Sony' around." I know, I rip on Sony a lot for squandering MiniDisc, but when push comes to shove I'd rather the company change its ways (when it comes to DRM and other anti-consumer practices) and become competitive than go under entirely. Maybe this new CEO gets it - however, since there's no word on the things that make Sony suck, I highly doubt it.
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Sony Pictures/Music
by kragil on Thu 12th Apr 2012 12:26 UTC
kragil
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2006-01-04

What really killed Sony IMO this century is that the hardware division always had to look out for the stupid content guys. They really suck.

But to be fair, not everything is bad about Sony. They don't pay extortion money to MS for their Android devices and they kinda support Cyanogenmod.

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RE: Sony Pictures/Music
by _txf_ on Thu 12th Apr 2012 13:38 UTC in reply to "Sony Pictures/Music"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

But to be fair, not everything is bad about Sony. They don't pay extortion money to MS for their Android devices and they kinda support Cyanogenmod.


This is (was) probably more influence from Ericsson rather than Sony...

Edited 2012-04-12 13:38 UTC

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RE: Sony Pictures/Music
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 12th Apr 2012 17:21 UTC in reply to "Sony Pictures/Music"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Disagree about the phones. I had an xperia X10. It launched in the US with android 1.6 when 2.2 was standard. It died relatively quickly, and so did the warranted replacement. Maybe the newer ones are better? The xperia Play looked good. If they had promoted that a little better I think they could have had a real successful phone and a great income stream from game sales as well.

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RE[2]: Sony Pictures/Music
by Neolander on Thu 12th Apr 2012 17:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Sony Pictures/Music"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Well, no such issue with the 2011 series AFAIK.

Most (if not all) of them come with Gingerbread and will be gradually upgraded to ICS in the upcoming months.

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RE[3]: Sony Pictures/Music
by phoenix on Fri 13th Apr 2012 20:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Sony Pictures/Music"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

The upgrade to ICS will be made available to 2011 Xperia phones over the next few months. But it won't be an OTA upgrade, requiring a connection to a PC.

And various Sony blog posts are warning people to not expect wonders from the upgrade due to heavier RAM usage; the 2011 Xperia phones only have ~380 MB of RAM available to Android/user-apps. And the ICS upgrade won't include a new kernel; it'll still be the 2.6.3x-whatever kernel from Android 2.3.x.

So it's a choice between older OS with lots of RAM available to apps, or newer OS with less RAM available to apps but nicer features.

Will be interesting to see how CM 7.2 and 9.0 compare to the stock ROMs.

The 2012 Xperia phones (I believe) all come with 1 GB of RAM, meaning there's ~872 MB available to Android/user-apps.

Edited 2012-04-13 20:23 UTC

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RE[4]: Sony Pictures/Music
by Neolander on Sat 14th Apr 2012 09:40 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Sony Pictures/Music"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

the 2011 Xperia phones only have ~380 MB of RAM available to Android/user-apps

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I have noticed that the default Gingerbread RAM monitor hides the RAM usage of some software, mostly the base OS and some bundled applications (like the web browser), leaving only ~300-350MB of visible RAM, so I guess that this is what you are talking about. But from that point of view, with a barely tweaked stock ROM, I already have less than 380MB of RAM available. I wish sony would just say something along the lines of "the base ICS install typically eats up * MB RAM more than the base GB install ?" ;)

Still, with the typical RAM usage of desktop OSs and applications* in mind, I would tend to think that 512MB of RAM would be enough for a phone OS where it is highly uncommon to run two RAM-hungry softs simultaneously. I could see problems for people who already push the hardware to its limit on Gingerbread with one single piece of software that would normally require a hardware upgrade, but not otherwise.


* Desktop windows not included. I highly doubt that people who work on cellphone software would screw up on RAM usage optimization as badly as Microsoft.

Edited 2012-04-14 09:46 UTC

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RE[5]: Sony Pictures/Music
by phoenix on Sat 14th Apr 2012 17:39 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Sony Pictures/Music"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

2011 Xperia phones ship with 512 MB of RAM in the SoC. However, approx 128 MB is reserved for the GPU, and 64 MB reserved for the modem, camera, and other hardware. Leaving only around 340 MB or so for the OS and apps.

http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/2012/03/30/learn-about-the-techn...

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RE[6]: Sony Pictures/Music
by Neolander on Sat 14th Apr 2012 17:50 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Sony Pictures/Music"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Thanks for the explanation !

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RE[2]: Sony Pictures/Music
by phoenix on Fri 13th Apr 2012 18:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Sony Pictures/Music"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

The X10 looked great on paper ... but the build quality just wasn't there. Crappy plastic, weak screens, weak SoC and other internal hardware. And they weren't upgraded very quickly.

The only good thing is that they were very hackable, with all kinds of custom kernels and ROMs available.

The 2011 Xperia phones are much higher quality than the previous Xperia phones. Although the tsunami that hit Japan impacted their development due to parts shortages. And they haven't been upgraded very quickly. But they're still fairly hackable, with a Sony-supported method to unlock the bootloader (that, unfortunately can be prevented by the carriers, like stupid Fido up here).

The 2012 Xperia phones are supposed to be even better. The SoCs are a bit behind the times, but everything else is very nice. Will be interesting to see just how hackable they are.

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supply
by fran on Thu 12th Apr 2012 13:00 UTC
fran
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2010-08-06

A huge amount of possible Sony sales is declined because of stock issues. The problem is not demand for it's products but Sony's ability to supply the products they lists.
For a long time after the tsunami you had real trouble finding a Sony camera mid-high end camera and just about most of it's other products.
Now you have issues with demand for it's receivers, photo LCD ect., home audio products, you name it.
Part of this loss stems from that disaster i think, not demand. Whatever techies say about Sony DRM ect.. Ordinary people out there love Sony.
Sony has these wonderful price lists. When you see it you actually realise how large and ecompassing Sony is. But getting those products is another issue.

Edited 2012-04-12 13:03 UTC

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Fool me once...
by sparkyERTW on Thu 12th Apr 2012 13:44 UTC
sparkyERTW
Member since:
2010-06-09

As you said, Thom, the act of not addressing their anti-consumer and DRM practices (not that I would expect them to) fails to sway my opinion of Sony. With actions like rootkits (yeah, I know that was a long time ago), Blu-ray protection schemes that can deprecate Blu-ray players after barely any time at all, and removing features after purchase that were used to sell the platform (that one seriously pissed me off), Sony consistently treats its customers as if they're dormant criminals just waiting for an excuse. You know what? I'm not a criminal, and I don't appreciate being treated like one.

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protomank
Member since:
2006-08-03

Locking the PS3 did increased their sales? No, it dimished a lot from the popular free-for-piracy PS2.

Did locking their hardware to not copy music incresead their sales? Hell no.

Are their music/video the most important and lucrative part of the company, so they can dictate how other parts will work? No.

Now do the math Sony: openess, at some degree, will help you to leave the hole.

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OtherOS
by Dekonega on Thu 12th Apr 2012 22:06 UTC
Dekonega
Member since:
2009-07-28

Because of OtherOS.
Because of ATRAC.
Because of AIBO.
Because of NGO.
Because of PSN-no-right-to-sue.
Because of Rootkit.
Because of their attitude.

Edited 2012-04-12 22:13 UTC

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