Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 4th Jun 2004 06:22 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives PalmSource ain't gonna make a birthday party for BeOS but it would only be fair if the rest of us, [ex-]users, remember the "media OS" as the innovative operating system of the late '90s, still used by some. Depending on how you count, it was early 1994 when the first BeOS version left the Be, Inc. offices and headed toward Be's "partners" and "developers". It was 1994 when the word started to spread around among geeks about this "new and exciting" OS and soon, external devs got access to it.
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Thank You!
by DLazlo on Fri 4th Jun 2004 06:55 UTC

To all the fine minds and creative spirits that were at Be, Inc.

Never doubt that your work was appreciated.

I'm not religious
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Jun 2004 06:55 UTC

but Amen to that.

It is indeed incredible and it was a fantastic feeling using the OS. Maybe some of the beauty seems gone to a certain extent, but as you know, many of us like to think that the soul isn't dead just yet.

Lots of things are happening still and the saga definitely holds more surprises in it's hands.

Many of us willl celebrate 10 years though and thanks for a nice article =)

I didn't find BeOS that great
by a nony mouse on Fri 4th Jun 2004 07:11 UTC

I job shadowed at this non profit organization that is multimedia oriented that lets kids come in to do multimedia stuff. They had several BeOS systems doing stuff. None of them worked. All of them were crashing all the time. It wasn't a hardware problem, the OS was just a pos.

RE: I didn't find BeOS that great
by Eugenia on Fri 4th Jun 2004 07:15 UTC

Yes, I can KDL BeOS pretty easily too. Depends a lot on the kind of applications and drivers you use. My husband was only using Be-derived software and never had problems. I, on the other hand, wanted to download the latest and greatest apps from BeBits.com and there I had it: my BeOS was always more unstable than his. Not many programmers could grasp the viciously multithreaded nature of BeOS: read previous stories on osnews and comments from ex-Be engineers about the problem itself.

Even the best...
by Greg Tada on Fri 4th Jun 2004 07:19 UTC

Looking back, I was so naive to think that the experience people had of BeOS was enough to convert the masses. I couldn't understand why anybody would want to stay with another OS after they had seen BeOS. Hehe.

I loved Amiga, and I loved BeOS. There are so many books on the history of MS, Apple, Xerox, etc. I wish there was a book that chronicled the history of Be, Inc. I'd buy it.

...
by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Jun 2004 07:20 UTC

Nice article Eugenia; even though I came "into" BeOS way later (I don't know, a year or two (?) ago) I totally understand how you feel: BeOS has this "something" no other OS has.

And reading your article; I wish I was born a few years earlier ;)

Congratulations and thanks to all the Be-engeneers for creating a wonderful OS ;)

Sadness
by Marco on Fri 4th Jun 2004 07:31 UTC

It's really sad to see the logo "Microsoft Certified Gold Partner" on Beatware's website and no mention to BeOS: IIRC, Beatware was just going to release AppSketcher (a visual IDE for BeOS development) when they announced abandoning BeOS after the "focus-shift" towards BeIA.

ePicture and Mail-It were really pro-level applications, even if not so really responsive (Beatware developed FreeStyle, its own extension to the Interface Kit for supporting themes and a mature table widget, among others).

IIRC, however, the people of yellowTAB weren't developers but only the publishers of BeOS-Magazine, an amatuer magazine badly printed and much inferior compared to the one designed by BeNews stuff.

RE: Sadness
by Eugenia on Fri 4th Jun 2004 07:35 UTC

>the people of yellowTAB weren't developers
>but only the publishers of BeOS-Magazine

You are very wrong on this. Bernd --who started YTAB-- was porting a very-very well known pro audio application for BeOS (that I can't mention 'cause of NDA reasons) that was never shipped in 1998-9 (it was among these "big", well known apps that Be managed to get the source code or contracts to get ported, but they never got shipped for different reasons each). The other executive person at YTAB today is an ex-Be engineer and all their other developers are BeOS third party developers, each with many apps posted on BeBits the last few years.

That's why it's a loved OS
by elvencode on Fri 4th Jun 2004 07:41 UTC

I think BeOS has got its good name because the developers had point to reach the hearts of the users. If you start to create a thing with:
1) clear ideas
2) true love of what are you doing
3) good skills and people to do it
Something of great should happen. I think many products (OSs) starts with good ideas and purposes but there's so much work to do that the quality and completeness(arrive to do the same things planned at the start) level degrade with the time.
Be has showed us that there's the possibility to do great things even without an MS dev squadron. An OS that's is not perfect but that after 10 years is again in the heart of the most of the people that have used/are using it.
Bad is that in a world like this one we are living, there's a lot more space of moneys that for good projects. The "free" competion of the market kills this and that company without regret. There's not enough space for grown. And this is one of things i most hate.
In a better world people (the community) would not to lose a valid product, a good team of developers, a good set of ideas and future things planned. We are no talking about food companies (that are however important) but of ones that research, invent hard things, intellectual things that after ARE USED by people, they are not only geek things, or a drawing to put on a wall and watch. Doesnt help this but choosing the way of the dollars it's like hurting ourselves.
It's the system that need a change, not only some corrections, i think ;) Because also opensource projects have their problems, of time (we've to work to live, for gain MONEY), people avaiable to spend their free time, money for books, hardware, connections, etc.
Let's hope that Be has marked good the way to follow to evolve BeOS into a modern OS, in its new forms.

Re: Re: Sadness
by Marco on Fri 4th Jun 2004 07:55 UTC

> You are very wrong on this. Bernd --who started YTAB--
> was porting a very-very well known pro audio application for BeOS

I apologize for my poor English and my bad memory. I correct myself: yT's magazine was called "Inside BeOS" and I intended to write "BeNews staff", not "stuff".

v Let it go.
by JS on Fri 4th Jun 2004 08:04 UTC
updates
by Eugenia on Fri 4th Jun 2004 08:04 UTC

I just updated the article and added 3 more paragraphs with info... ;)

v RE:Let it go.
by Eugenia on Fri 4th Jun 2004 08:06 UTC
Thanks
by Mat on Fri 4th Jun 2004 08:09 UTC

I am still an user. A funny story as a matter of fact, a year of so ago I've finally got myself a machine with enough disk space to actually triple-boot ;) I had a BeOS PE before, but the previous machine suffered from a serious case of disk space shortage and I mostly just wanted to check what's up with all those R5 PE spin-offs. So, I put on the DevEd on one of the partitions "for the afternoon". After turning off the SMP support, which is obviously of no use to me anyway (the same problem I had on the old machine), I was quite surprised to hear the sound of a succesfully installed OS through my crappy speakers! Everything just worked. After one year, that BFS partition is not going anywhere anytime soon! I admit I use BeOS mostly for listening to the music and checking out a thing or two concerning C++ programming. As a matter of fact, doing something from the moment of powering-up your PC, and considering all the alpha, 0.something versions of software and drivers it is amazingly stable!

Since we're kind of celebrating, I'll just sum up the pros of using BeOS in 2004 from my POV. There are many cons too, make no mistake, but _today_, that's off topic ;) !!!

a) The "Damn that was fast" feeling that just persist throughout all that years, no matter the hardware.

b) A true, pure breed desktop OS. It is quite fashionable nowadays to run some modified server OS or server wannabees on our desktops, with all the multiuser crap and so on. BeOS is designed and optimised for one's OWN computer ONLY - very much like the now extinct home computers from the 1980s, only much more powerful.

c) A modern, Right Thing design. I especially like BFS and the excellent, elegant API (i.e. the Kits). Micro kernel, Translators, global MIME and etc. are also very cool.

d) No bullshit. The OS tries its best to keep the low profile. For instance, PnP: if you got the drivers, not even neccessarily the right match, the OS spares you the crap of what it's installed and what not - if everything is ok, it will work. When installing software, it often enough to just put it somewhere and run it - its data type will become the registered type for opening files - to uninstall, you simply delete the app alltogether and the app will automagically unregister for opening files without jerking you around... To put it another way: you won't be seeing many "wizard" dialogs you would have totally defaulted and skipped over anyways.

e) For Windows and Unix types, BeOS is definitely the best of both worlds. A totally integrated GUI, yet with automatic or manual mounting, binutils, bash and gcc development.

All in all ... Thanks BeOS, thanks for the computing experience the way it should Be!

Old times... good memories
by J.Tomas Rodriguez on Fri 4th Jun 2004 08:12 UTC

That's what i find when i look backwards...
It seems like it was yesterday when a friend of mine gave me a cd with BeOS 4 to take a spin.
Great article, BeOSian master.
Thank you for the work you did on BeNews

Re: Thanks
by Mat on Fri 4th Jun 2004 08:13 UTC

Ooops! That "As a matter of fact, doing something from the moment of powering-up your PC" should read

"As a mmater of fact BEOS is the fastest way around for doing ...."

Good timing
by Nicholas Blachford on Fri 4th Jun 2004 08:23 UTC

I've been using BeOS since 1998 when Be contacted me and asked was I interested in porting my Amiga audio software. At the time I had started using windows and was wondering why it sucked so much, I was previously an Amiga user so I was used to a much more stable and faster system than Win 9x.

I installed BeOS and it was just like the Amiga: fast, responsive, multitasked very well and didn't crash. It's been the main OS on my PC ever since, the Mac I did the review of a while back wasn't actually mine so when it went back a couple of months ago I switched back to BeOS as my main OS.

The good timing I refer to is the fact that I was planning on switching to OS X - today!

To BeOS...
by NeoWolf on Fri 4th Jun 2004 08:34 UTC

You may not be my OS of choice anymore, but you'll always be my favorite love...

Re: Good timing
by Nicholas Blachford on Fri 4th Jun 2004 08:34 UTC

I know replying to myself is a bit strange but...

One other thing BeOS had was the fact it was so advanced technologically. There are features in BeOS which only now the rest of the industry are waking up to - i.e. Metadata & the value of a good API.

I think it will be still some years to come before everything has been fully caught up with.

Eugenia
by DLazlo on Fri 4th Jun 2004 08:53 UTC

I had to sneek back for a peek while doing some on-line research for a project concerning some antiquated multimedia OS I still find useful in many ways.

To Eugenia:
"I love the additions! It's interesting to find out how and why some things were done in this or that way and decisions were made that brought BeOS to our systems as we knew it for those of us not "inside"."

I would also like to add (+ apologies for not listing all of you!):
"To Eugenia, Oliver, and all the rest at BeNews,
Damn I miss reading that stuff!!!
You all did an excellent job."

@DLazlo
by Eugenia on Fri 4th Jun 2004 08:59 UTC

Thanks DLazlo, we had indeed some great time at BeNews... I sorely miss it too...

Letonian
by Andrius on Fri 4th Jun 2004 09:07 UTC

Hello,
I think you mean Lithuanian not Letonian ;) . But I don't know, mayby, you use this word too. I one of the users that tried this OS after the best BeOS times, but I liked it very much. Just I can't use it very often because of lack of programs.

yeaa. ;)
by Chris Simmons on Fri 4th Jun 2004 09:13 UTC

I just wanted to say Thanks, Eugenia. *HUG*

You've always had a soft spot in my heart for your dedication, in all the time I've known you, from the early days in BeShare, etc.

Nice article, I didn't realize it --HAD-- been 10 years, gosh darn it! heh. I myself had just written about my using BeOS for six years, and I can totally understand how you feel about BeOS being that "special feeling" OS, etc.

Anyhow. Before I get all mushy or something... Cheers.

-Chris Simmons,
Avid BeOS User.
The BeOSJournal.

...
by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Jun 2004 09:17 UTC

Just changed my MSN alias to "Happy 10th birthday to the BeOS!!" That oughta stirr up some questions... 99% of my MSN list doesn't even know there's something else besides Windows ;)

BeOS veteran myself
by humungus on Fri 4th Jun 2004 09:36 UTC

I'm a loooong time beos user myself.
Been using BeOS since 1996. Still using Zeta RC2 and BeOS R5.03 Pro.

Cant see why i should get rid of it. LOVE IT - LOVE IT :-)

Buuhhhuuuu huuuu....
by Ralf. on Fri 4th Jun 2004 10:04 UTC

I miss my beloved BeOS buuhuuu huuuuu buuuhuuuu.....

(Was) A plain vanilla BeOS user
by garapheane on Fri 4th Jun 2004 10:19 UTC

Used BeOS 4.5 up to BeOS 5 PE back home, mainly for mail, web, irc and entertainment. (now studying oversea). Really missed that Pentium 166MHz. The system was 100% compatible with BeOS. It was FAST, compared to an extensively speed-tweaked Win98SE on the same machine. I recall booting back to Win98SE only when I need to use MS Office. Linux' was just technically-challenging for me back then, and I just needed something cheap and fast to browse, play music and watch animes.

Haven't booted in to BeOS for 4 full months now. Deleted the partitions, since animes are eating the real estate very fast. VESA-only mode and no sound drivers are the reason of me not booting frequently. (nvidia geforce2go, yamaha ac-xg [hint: toshiba laptop]). If Zeta's final release would include support for my laptop, then I might spend my savings on it. Maybe I'll build a desktop and buy it anyway.

My bets are on OpenBeOS. No grudge on yT, but OBOS' approach is much more promising, in terms of continuity and technicality (or so I think ;) ). And SkyOS too, if you count hobbyist OS in.

Currently dual-booting between FreeBSD 4.10 when I need to get work done and Windows XP for music/videos (sound doesn't work on fbsd).

Be-Day
by YNOP on Fri 4th Jun 2004 10:28 UTC

its been quite some time. i started drooling over BeBox's back in the day, watching them go from 66Mhz to 133. I jumpped on R3.0 when it first came out, and built a spesific box with 'supported' parts at the time. I used R3.x for a while off and on, but with R4 i completly switch, and have Never gone back.

i even corrupted my work place and write all my code on BeOS.

i must say, for what i do, and how i use my computer, Be has always made it easy and fun. but like Eugenia, i could KDL my system with my eyes closed if i wanted to ;)

well, here's to you BeOS. may your days last long.

10 years? Wow.
by stew on Fri 4th Jun 2004 10:54 UTC

I remember that it as the R4 demo that caught my attention - a few days later, I ordered the full version and decided to sell my Amiga in favor of a BeOS-powered x86.

Be Inc was a cool company too - it had that certain 'geek' flair, and the employees were great people too (I had the pleasure of meeting some Be engineers and visiting Be Incs offices shortly before they closed).

I still profit from having learnt C++ on BeOS - in contrast to most of the rest, I learnt to deal with threading issues from the beginning and that helps me a lot when programming on other systems using threading.

Current development? If I were going to try BeOS, or E-Commerce Station, or QNX or any of the non-Linux/BSD/Unix examples of X86 OSs, I would want to go with something that gets the current development.

Another quality I would look for is ease-of-use, which would encompass ease-of-installation and necessarily support for a wide-range of hardware.

*sigh*
by Chris Herborth on Fri 4th Jun 2004 12:02 UTC

Ah, the Good Old Days... how I miss them.

- chrish

Re: Celebrating Ten Years of BeOS
by geez on Fri 4th Jun 2004 12:18 UTC

I do not understand why people use Windows, unless it can do something essential that BeOS cannot do. Even more so when BeOS is scrutinized according to such a high degree of purist standards. Is Windows a "retard-OS", to be scrutinized by lower standards? And is the outcome of a double-standard comparison enough to "boot BeOS every once-twice a month or so"?

Useing BeOS Daily
by ConneX on Fri 4th Jun 2004 12:27 UTC

I first heard of BeOS in a norwegian computer magazine back in 2000, and I have been using BeOS ever since (with a little break in 2001). Now I use BeOS R5 Pro 99% of my computer time (which is a LOT), and I boot up in Windows for some Office (when we use Excel at school), and when watching movies from my laptop to the TV.

A Great OS!
Congratulations!

Petter Juliussen
BeOS User Group Nordic

Happy Birthday BeOS!
by Kelly on Fri 4th Jun 2004 12:32 UTC

"Disagreements on how to implement proper multi-user were also present..."

This is still relevant today. ;)

Good article Eugenia. I loved BeOS. I started using it in late 1999. I was just about the biggest Be advocate you could find (I was so proud when I bought the bundle of the BeOS Bible and BeOS 5.0!). Very sad when they closed doors. ;)

I've always been a huge OS nut, which probably explains the current project I'm working on. ;)

Thank you
by Korli on Fri 4th Jun 2004 13:03 UTC

Still happy with my R5 but sad the BeOS story is over

RE: Korli
by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Jun 2004 13:16 UTC

Still happy with my R5 but sad the BeOS story is over


Well, I'm not sure if the story is over... I'm a post-focus-shift BeOS fan, so... If there are still people switching to the Be... ;)

Cut it out you guys! 8|

I have 3 computers at home:

Mac G4 running OS X, Homemade PC running Fedora Core 2 and of course, a Homemade PC with both R4.5.2 and R5.0.3. ;) Been using BeOS since 1997-1998-ish (I have a copy of "Preview Release 2" lying around somewhere - I think it was R4) off and on (more on). Best OS ever! Really, I mean it. The BEST. It just works and it does it in a logical, intuitive way.

Mike ;)

I still use it.
by Matt Lacey on Fri 4th Jun 2004 13:28 UTC

BeOS is and always will be an absolute Legend. Nothing comes close - and I think the major reason is the sense of humour incorporated into both the apps (Poof! anyone?) and the API - no my computer isn't on ;)

RE: I didn't find BeOS that great
by Glen on Fri 4th Jun 2004 13:53 UTC

Eugenia; As you pointed out, there are forum threads and other resources available, for researching the multi-threading issues with BeOS. But, being somewhat lazy, and not sure if I would understand the discussion, anyway, what's your take on the crux of the problem? Is it programmers not implementing multi-threading properly, or the OS not handling the multi-threaded app? I've gathered that there are aspects of the OS that could be improved, but is it anything that a few billion dollars in R&D couldn't solve?

happy tenth, BeOS!
by helf on Fri 4th Jun 2004 14:01 UTC

I still love BeOS and use it as my primary OS. almost never crashes and always runs fast. I had it lockup yesterday for the first time in months and that was because I was using alpha quality FS drivers ;)

Long Live BeOS!!

About Box
by beforum on Fri 4th Jun 2004 14:06 UTC

I joined as a developer enthusiast back in 1996. In fact I’ve kept those emails. I was so excited about being apart of something so new a fresh. It was fun to boot an OS off of a 100MB ZIP disk!

One of the first things I noticed was how creative the "about box" was for each app. And it kinda became the signature to the app and the team. It’s creative and shows a side of freedom I hadn’t seen anywhere else.

Memories <sigh>

Whatever happened to JL Gasse?
by Philippe Bigeat on Fri 4th Jun 2004 14:15 UTC

Anyone knows what happened to him?

Phil

Re:@Glen
by JBQ on Fri 4th Jun 2004 14:28 UTC

The kernel handled multithreading pretty well. Not everything was perfect, but the issues were well-understood and were to be taken care of if Be had continued to focus on it (I can remember the issues of the giant semaphore spinlock, the giant vm lock, the giant loader lock and the single-threaded psycho_killer). One of the other Be kernel engineers implemented his own kernel on his spare time to experiment with solutions for some those problems, I remember discussing those quite a lot since we were living in the same house at the time (sharing houses was fairly common among Be engineers). The only other thing I'd have liked to see would have been an explicit mutex (as opposed to a semaphore) so that the scheduler could inplement priority inheritance, but once again there wasn't any fundamental issues that prevented from doing that.

There were a few issues with the way some user-space code used threading. One of them was related to the messaging code (BMessenger and BLooper), which by default gave developers lots of opportunities for deadlocks or lost messages. Another one was that the part of a BWindow that communicated with the app_server used exactly the same lock as the BLooper part of the same BWindow, causing lots of pain when porting software from other OSes. Worse, either of those issues could have been taken care of by developers (maybe with a bit of covoluted code), but the way they interacted caused lots and lots of problems, which (just like any threading issues) were often extremely hard to diagnose and/or reproduce. Even worse, solutions for those problems weren't straightforward to implement if Be wanted to maintain backward compatibility *and* and easy migration path for existing code.

Take all that with a grain of salt, I haven't really written any code for BeOS for approximately 5 years (my last 15-months-or-so at Be were mostly spent re-writing the Makefile system, which I was and am very proud of).

Re: Whatever happened to JL Gasse[e]?
by JBQ on Fri 4th Jun 2004 14:29 UTC

Read the article, follow the link under his name. He works at a VC.

If they'd open-sourced it Beos would still be going strong. And probably Be Inc. too.

Minor nitpick
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Jun 2004 14:48 UTC

Eugenia: In the article you claim that the AT&T Hobbit CPU's were DSP's, which is nothing further from the truth. The Hobbit's were full fledged CPUs in fact they were designed to support HLL's such as C since they were stack based and had almost no user visible registers. As such the ISA was tuned for compiler designers and not for math intensive apps like a normal DSP would. It makes little sense to use a DSP as the CPU for a general purpose computer anyways ;)

It won't run on my machines anymore,,.
by Mr. Banned on Fri 4th Jun 2004 15:00 UTC

Between my new G5 OSX box, and my P4 w/a gig of ram, I don't have a PC capable of running BeOS any longer (as far as a primary PC is concerned. The PC's I own that can run it are waiting to be sold or given away).

Maybe some day one of the BeOS derivitaves will allow me to run it on my newer hardware, but until then, the OS is dead to me. 8(

Which is ok... Competing OS's have caught up and passed BeOS a long time ago.

Now if Zeta can run on my current systems, I'll give it a try, but the last I heard is that they're bogged down by the same limitations of the original Be. And for that matter, they still haven't came clean on whether they own the source to the kernel or not (which is needed if they hope to support newer systems & technologies). Last I heard they're still alluding to them having the source, without saying one way or the other, and without doing anything which would indicate they do. Kinda sad really...

sigh
by jeanmarc on Fri 4th Jun 2004 15:05 UTC

I remember back in '99 i was looking on the internet about something else than Linux, i simply type OS and found the Be's website.
I read all the specification of BeOS, saw thoses beautiful screenshot.. and i was already in 'love', i quickly bought The R4.5. Sadly, my video card was unsupported but i was amazed by all the capabilities, i changed my card few days alfter and BeOS was my primary OS.
I've advocate BeOS so much, BeNews was obviously my homepage, i even browse with the crappy port of Opera 3.6.2 during months.. I've support financially Be,inc and still believe the switch wasn't a fault.
Well, you all know what's happen alfter, i'am still 'tear off' on the inside.
Gratefully to yT, i'am back with Zeta, even though it's not my primary OS, i still feel the BeOS spirit and i know some guys are doing a remarkable work to bring it back with OpenBeOS, i'am sure it'll be even better.
Thanks indeed to the Be's engineers, to JLG, to Steve Sakoman, to yT, to all the guys on OpenBeOS well to all people commit to this feeling.

Ah, the BeOS
by Adam Scheinberg on Fri 4th Jun 2004 15:07 UTC

I remember back in 1999, I had just started playing with Linux and decided to get adventurous. Sometime in early 2000, I don't remember how I had even heard of BeOS, but I downloaded it (I still called it "Bee-Ose" back then), and within an hour, had it on my NT4 domain talking to shares. It was such a joy - so easy to use, so fast, so perfectly useful. I immediately loaded it as the main OS on my home PC. I wrote every post-graduate paper of my life in Gobe Productive.

I starting hanging out in comp.os.beos from time to time. Who can forget the USENET spamming troll, Bob. Eventually, someone helped me fix a few problems. Within a year or two, she'd invite me to become an editor on her new site, OSNews.

It is pretty interesting how the BeOS community was tight, as compared to some of the other, larger communities. You could always count on getting help if you had a problem. More than anything, it really was special - it sucks that that piece of it is gone.

v Re: OS is one area where closed-source is a ticket to doom.
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Jun 2004 15:09 UTC

>porting a very-very well known pro audio application for BeOS (that I can't mention >'cause of NDA reasons) that was never shipped in 1998-9 (it was among these >"big", well known apps that Be managed to get the source code or contracts to get >ported, but they never got shipped for different reasons each).
-During that period it was rumored that both Steinberg's Cubase and
Emagic's Logic Audio were being ported to BeOS.
Also there were quite a few open-source audio programs awaiting
porting, but that was more or less stopped when Be decided to move
its OS into the 'internet utilities' direction...

AvS

RE: Celebrating Ten Years of BeOS
by Jean-Louis on Fri 4th Jun 2004 15:34 UTC

It was great! ... of all the OS I have used, BeOS will always
be the one I loved the most .... Many kudo/mahalo to all the
folks at Be for the hard work and the great quality they put
into there product.

Eugenia, thanks for remembering us of this bday ... caught in
so many things most of us will have forgotten ... :-( (Nice
article BTW ...)

RE: Ah, the BeOS
by Jean-Louis on Fri 4th Jun 2004 15:36 UTC

Hi Adam,

You think the BeOS community was tight ??? Come see the QNX's
one !!! ;) ... It's so tight you will only need an uint8 to
store that number ;-)

jl

I first started using BeOS...
by Dave on Fri 4th Jun 2004 15:40 UTC

quite late (2000 i think), after reading an article Eugenia wrote for the PAIN demoscene diskmag about the benefits of using BeOS to write demos. I was impressed with what I read and downloaded a copy of R5 from Be.com and was one of the lucky few where everything worked out of the box (modex, graphics, everything). A month later and I bought GoBe Productive and BeOS 5 from gobe.

I only wish I had found out about it sooner as I just managed to catch the dieing gasps.

Happy Birthday BeOS.

BeNews and OSNews
by Jason Gade on Fri 4th Jun 2004 15:41 UTC

If it hadn't been for BeOS and BeNews, I never would have found OSNews!

I remember trying two different versions of BeOS. The first one I ordered directly from the company on a cheap promotion. I don't remember if it was R4 or what. Unfortunately my hardware didn't support it so I couldn't run it. I kept promising myself that I would upgrade and build a compatible box, but I never did.

A year or two later, R5 came out and I got it on a coverdisk. I had change my CPU, so I could get it to work but only in black and white. I found the VESA driver on BeBits and I was able to get it to work properly.

Anyway, coming from an Amiga background I always thought that BeOS was the successor to the Amiga.

Be, THE company
by François Vincent on Fri 4th Jun 2004 15:42 UTC

Back to 99 i bought R4 and, for my surprise, i received R4.5 in my door for free!

Then i had some problem that i can't remember right now and BGA said to me "Write them". So i did and i was surprised again because they actually answered my e-mail in the same day! ;D

We can't find that easily nowadays...
(confession) i still watch "BeOS_DemoVideo_20minutes.mpg" from time to time (/confession)

Many thanks for you all who helped (and are still helping) to keep BeOS alive =)
--
François Vincent
www.bug-br.org.br

Hi Francois,

Do you know where I can download that video ? :-)

Thanks.

jean-louis

Still upsetting that it's gone, but good memories
by Gabe Bauman (neiras) on Fri 4th Jun 2004 15:48 UTC

Linux just isn't the same ;)

I tell you, I truly believed in BeOS as the One True OS. I don't care how 'niche' it was, if Be was still updating it, I'd still be using it, and developing for it.

I discovered and first installed the BeOS when 5PE was released. It was my only workstation OS until about 6 months after Be went to Palm. It was quirky at times and the apps weren't all there, but it didn't matter - it was so pleasant to use something so much closer to perfection than anything I'd seen before.

I'm a fulltime GNOME user now, and while 2.6 is quite pretty and Nautilus has improved tremendously (yay spatial mode!), the "feel" just can't compete. BeOS was truly ahead of its time.

Eugenia, thanks for the article - it brought back a lot of good memories. Please continue to fire messages at the GNOME community on the mailing lists - most every time I have an issue with something, I check the archives and find you've already taken it up with the developers. If we can just get them to do a BeOS-style file type control panel... ;)

Ah ..
by Bram on Fri 4th Jun 2004 15:54 UTC

I too adored BeOS .. I was awfully young (12) when I started to tinker with it, it was the first non-windows OS I had ever heard of, I utterly enjoyed all the years I spent with it ;) .

I really should try Zeta sometimes ..

Awww crap!
by Zac Woodall on Fri 4th Jun 2004 16:07 UTC

I'm gettin' all emotional an' shit.

It is funny how companies like Bugatti and Lamborghini (sp?) can stick around, selling just a handfull of products per year. Mind you, I'm not comparing BeOS to a super car, but I guess there really isn't a place in the computing market for a niche desktop platform. It would be wonderful if there was as much choice and variety in operating systems as there is in the auto market.

Ten years, am I really that old? Be was really my favorite operating system for a long, long time. I started recieving Be cds at the PR1 stage, and was a registered developer in college (though I never really produced much).

My favorite BeOS memory:

One time I was testing out a custom app I had written (in PR2?). There was some kind of GPF or some such bug in my code which caused the app to crash. I had been running from the command line, and on std out came the following messge:
"Oh f*ck. You should never ever be here."

I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. I never had an OS swear at me before, and I never have since.

Good times.

v giant hands
by daniel eliason on Fri 4th Jun 2004 16:24 UTC
1994? Isn't that the sequel to 1984?
by Eric Carte on Fri 4th Jun 2004 16:40 UTC

Sorry, couldn't resist...[/MS-bashing]

Suck it up, people! No more sniveling... It ain't dead!

To quote Rambo: "Nothing is over!!! Nothing!!! You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my war! You asked me, I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win!"[/JLG-bashing][/ok-really-no-more-MS-bashing]

Happy Be-day!
Eric

Nostalgia...
by Andrew "skippy" Martens on Fri 4th Jun 2004 16:43 UTC

Melancholy indeed. Reminds me that I should be spending more time on IRC with the people that I met back in those days.

Thanks Eugenia - I really appreciate the contribution that you have made to the community these past years.

I just wish that I had a bit more time to make some more useful applications, and perhaps a bit more journalistic work than I did. Alas, those days are gone. Kudos to everyone at Be for making a great OS, and giving me some memorable years during university. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Zeta...

Fond memories...
by Eric Carte on Fri 4th Jun 2004 17:03 UTC

Here's my first contact with Be: Nuts&Volts-Jan96
http://www.nutsvolts.com/toc_Pages/jun96toc.htm

I think there was a centerfold...I was smitten.

Eric

can be found here :
http://perso.local/~ludo/beos/112594/

Those are the images of the floppies Ralf got while at mipsys. Hub got the disk when ralf moved to the us, he made the images because I broke the disk inside my hobbit powered bebox. The screen shots foudn around the internet of that early shark beos where the ones from that bebox they where taken at a geektea by Sebastien Bouchex, hub and me when we booted the machine.

Ludo

The first time I used Be
by Anonymous on Fri 4th Jun 2004 17:29 UTC

was in late 1999 when I was running BeOS 5 Personal from with Windows. What I remember most was getting incredibily high frame rates per second, higher than anyting on any other OS I had used at the time, on an OS that I believe wasn't using GPU assistance (I could be mistaken).

R5PE
by jeanmarc on Fri 4th Jun 2004 17:33 UTC

>was in late 1999 when I was running BeOS 5 Personal from with Windows
BeOS 5 PE was released on March 2000 ;)

RE: jeanmarc
by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Jun 2004 17:39 UTC

>was in late 1999 when I was running BeOS 5 Personal from with Windows
BeOS 5 PE was released on March 2000 ;)


Yeah, I was just going to double that :S

:D

Hello Jean-Louis,

I got this link from Bebits (http://bebits.com/app/2704):
http://bebits.com/bob/16900/beos_demovideo.mpg

There's a VCD too, but the link doesn't work.

You can find that video and a lot more on eMule. Look for "BeOSVideo". There's one very cool from someone who went visit Be, Inc. and they showed him BeIA. It's called "Inside Be, Inc and BeIA footage". Enjoy ;)
--
François Vincent
www.bug-br.org.br

*snif*
by Ian D. on Fri 4th Jun 2004 17:59 UTC

You've brought a tear to my eye, Eugenia. You've really summarized the love we all feel for BeOS. I'm going to read this article to my grandkids someday ;)

Hey, does anyone else have any stories about the good old days that you'd like to share? I'm thinking about writing a book about be, kind of in the same spirit of "the pirates of silicone valley". If I can get enough people to share their stories, this could be a reality. Please email me if your at all intested, you can click on my name to get it.

Be Inc.
by houttbe on Fri 4th Jun 2004 18:00 UTC

I had some Be shares left, never sold them. It so happens that they were paid out this week @ 58 ¢ each! Curiously I in addition got one Be escrow share for each Be Inc share - would there be more to come from the liquidation?

Birthday Party?
by flatman on Fri 4th Jun 2004 18:32 UTC

A memorial service would be a more fitting analogy...

Thanks for the nice article, Eugenia. Some nice new info in there for me.

It's funny how big a deal was made out of the modifier key. I really don't think it's such a big deal. I have a second or two of discomfort when I move from one OS to the other (Mac/BeOS or Windows) before the appropriate habits kick in. No big deal.

I will always have a special feeling for BeOS, even though I don't use it much these days, with my focusing on media work. Though I do use it 100% for writing (which I hope to focus on some more before WalterCon in case anyone asks me for a work in progress on the User Experience Guide).

I started with BeOS at a beta of 3.1 for Intel. JLG sent it to me after I emailed him about my interest in BeOS (I learned about it through the fading Apple-buyout talks). BeOS's lack of SCSI support kept me from using it (all my drives are SCSI). Ah... to have someone at that level be interested in your interest in their product. That's so nice! Those were the days indeed.

Best hopes for OpenBeOS. I also harbor a little hope that something useful comes from yellowTAB, too :-)

10 years...
by kumo on Fri 4th Jun 2004 19:37 UTC

I didn't start using BeOS until 4.5 but the only reason I started was because I found an old DR7 (?) cd in my new desk so I want to the web site and read those icon stories and I was so impressed that I bought the BeOS bible and would read it for ages waiting for the next version to come out. Then when 4.5 came out I bought it and loved every minute of it. One day I will return to it though, I am sure I will!

Happy Birthday BeOS and thank you for showing me that OSs can be fun and very powerful too!

Those were the days :/
by Vecc on Fri 4th Jun 2004 19:46 UTC

It was so nice back then. I remember me and my friends had removable HDD's. So when we visited eachother we just inserted our private BeOS disk in a friends PC and restarted it. Everything worked without one singel question or mockup, Despite the fact that we all had different hardware. ;)



modifier
by Ajay on Fri 4th Jun 2004 19:59 UTC

"according to many engineers, the best version of BeOS ever released -- for its time" - that would be compared to the other versions released --- in its time? Perhaps the most backhanded uncompliment I've read in a while.

RE: modifier
by Eugenia on Fri 4th Jun 2004 20:08 UTC

There is nothing "backhanded" about it. Many ex-Be engineers agree that the best version of BeOS released was 4.5.2. It had the most hardware support for its time (second half of 1999) and it was stabler than 5.0. Of course, it was not as feature-rich as 5.0 was, but the overall satisfaction-meter was better than 5.0.

Took me a long time to hear about it
by GCrain on Fri 4th Jun 2004 20:22 UTC

I started using Be R4.5.2 in Jan. 2000. It absolutely blew me away. I had been pulling my hair out trying to figure out Linux. I'm surprised I did not hear about Be before. In 1998 I was working at a company that was designing HP motherboards, and were required to test with about every commercial OS known. I remember talking to engineers about Next, SCO Unix / x86, OS/2, etc. But not BeOS.
Years later, I'm still a fanatic. Still try do write code for it. Theres still a huge following. Drivers are still being released. Patches written, etc. Still runs on all my current hardware. Software is coming very slow for it these days, but I still enjoy it. I have a PowerMac dual-G4 and a PS2 that fill the void that BeOS doesn't quite fill.
It seems to be Be made the focus shift right when they were getting noticed for the years of work they did. I wonder if staying private would have changed the outcome.

What I remember of BeOS
by Daniel Woods on Fri 4th Jun 2004 20:46 UTC

I started using BeOS after using Linux. I was amazed by the fact that I could Dump Hardware Drivers and Addons in either /Boot/BeOS/system/Addons or /boot/home/config/Addons (IIRC) and the drivers would work appropriately. These two Addon Directories, and the Directory Structure enclosed were identical (except for the files contained in each. It was just the Way it aught to be. It was simple; put that there and immediately, it works. No Rebooting, no Kernel Recompilations, It just worked.
I remember creating a custom FileType image/x-comic which i would assign to my Archive of Online Comics, which had metadata support for Artist, Inker, Writer, etc etc.
I remember that my TV Tuner card still worked in BeOS long after the Windows Drivers were no longer available, and when BTTV-on-linux wouldn't recognise it.
I remember playing Corum III, using Portishead as the Background Music.
I remember Chatting about Politics, Technology and Music for hours with people on BeShare. Music which wasn't available anywhere else was available on BeShare.
I remember accidently opening all 27-tracks of an album up in SoundPlay at once, (rather than adding them to a playlist) and have SoundPlay play all the songs at the same time, without any complaints, on my K6-2/450.
Then I remember finally giving in an Buying an iBook, on advice from Scot Hacker, and thinking "It'll do for now."
I'd like to relive those Memories again. What is the most Powerful Computer on which I could run Vanilla BeOS R5.03? I presume it would be a Quad P3-Xeon with 1Gb RAM, a Yamaha or TurtleBeach SoundCard and a Matrox G500 dual-head Video Card…

RE: What I remember of BeOS
by Eugenia on Fri 4th Jun 2004 20:53 UTC

You are correct on the Xeon and the sound card (get an old version or get the Yamaha YMF-754 with the driver from BeBits), but 1 GB is too much for BeOS. To be on the safe side and avoid random KDLs, make sure you don't have more than 512 or 768 MB of RAM maximum.

Also, the Matrox G500 won't work on a vanilla BeOS. Get either an AGP or PCI Voodoo4 or a TNT2 (BeOS doesn't support the AGP functionality, it works with it in PCI emulation mode, so it doesn't matter if the card is a PCI or an AGP). Unfortunately the Matrox G200/G400 BeOS driver has bugs.

Just recently..
by Scot Hacker on Fri 4th Jun 2004 21:36 UTC

I haven't run BeOS for a couple of years now, though it was certainly the core of my technical life for half a decade. Recently dusted off my old laptop (an early generation dell pentium, 64MBs) and booted Win2K. It was so slow I simply could not use it. All I really needed was a shell and a text editor for the day, so I booted its BeOS partition for the first time in a long time and was amazed all over again. The exact same hardware, but the OS was easily 10x faster. Such a treat. I'm committed to OS X these days, and mostly love it, but will alwasy consider BeOS my only OS "tru luv". Thanks for the memory walk, Eugenia.

MS settlment
by Glidedon on Fri 4th Jun 2004 22:11 UTC

Just got my settlment money US$406.00 for 700 shares of Be Inc.

Love and money don't mix well :-(

Still using BeOS for security reasons, internet browsing and e -mail :-)

Thanks Be people !

Don

RE: modifier
by Ajay on Fri 4th Jun 2004 22:32 UTC

Eugenia, the "backhanded" part is a sarcastic comment on the confused syntax. You attempt to praise version 4.5.2 but modify that with "in its time." As I said in the original comment, that would make it the best version of BeOS released in September 1999. Care to tell me what other versions were released in Sept. '99? You realize that you're implying that there were multiple versions of the same OS released at the same time?

RE: modifier
by Eugenia on Fri 4th Jun 2004 22:36 UTC

The "for its time" means "around its time" not "Sep 1999". So, between 1998 and 2000, there was R3, R4, R4.5 and R5. And from all these, R4.5.2 was the best -- comperatively to each season's hardware and stability.

My beos Memory
by chris on Sat 5th Jun 2004 00:41 UTC

I loved beos, but on the PPC environment. I even had a web page about it with screenshots of the 4 CPU macintosh that it was running on.

Anyhow, I had read about the fact that on the first friday of every month, BE had an open house at 800 el camino where their offices were (and where they throw the screens off the roof in the beos demo folder movie). Except that their offices are in Melno park, and I was in Roseville at about 2pm. Without traffic it would have been fine, but its Friday remember? I am from Montreal, so travelling to California does not happen all the time

Anyhow, I am driving like a madman, knowing I would only get one shot at this. I took the reserved lanes (even if I was the only person in the car). I was cutting off people. I raced to the office. It was 5:45pm and I am still not there. The rental car engine is red hot. I didn't see the speedbumps in the back parking of their offices until too late. OOPS!

Anyhow, I rush in through the back door, and who do I literally run into? JLG of course. A fellow Frenchman, I start a panting conversation in french, which he politely continues and then excuses himself from. Off he goes in his black BMW.

I rush upstairs, and the tour is finished, but there is an open session and a QA roundtable. Because I was more interested in the PPC architecture than the intel one, I ask a tall fair haired BE employee, that certainly there must be a imac in the office somewhere that you have unofficially ported beos to, but cannot release right? He smiled and said to me "Whatever gave you that idea?".

And still
by jefro on Sat 5th Jun 2004 01:34 UTC

Still apps each day on bebits.com

RE: And still
by helf on Sat 5th Jun 2004 02:15 UTC

yeah, new 1gbit NIC driver, a new version of open transport tycoon, a GO game and a new version of relauncher_daemon added just today. Be developement is still pretty active.

Me too, on PPC
by Christophe Decanini on Sat 5th Jun 2004 03:37 UTC

I was ready to leave AmigaOS to BeOS ("Amiga 94" like said JLG).
I bought a powerfull (at the time) dual PPC 604 mac clone. The OS is a masterpiece but unfortunately BeOS did not offer as much application as my Amiga did. So I ended up using more my Amiga than BeOS. Then it was the end of the road for the PPC version. Since then the PPC clone has been running Linux and later OSX.
Unfortunately it looks that the best designed products always fail vs the mediocre products.
This is why most people end up on PCs with windows ...

BeIA
by M on Sat 5th Jun 2004 07:09 UTC

I still use BeOS on an almost daily basis. I use Windows out of necessity at work - we develop Windows only apps - but at home it's BeOS.

However, I've been playing with BeIA a bit ;-) I have an old P200MMX running BeIA 1.0RC and am posting this using Wagner... BeIA rocks (for an IA OS)... Maybe OS news would like an article on it?

RE: BeIA
by Eugenia on Sat 5th Jun 2004 07:13 UTC

Sure, write one out and include a few shots too.
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=168

> (I have a copy of "Preview Release 2" lying around somewhere - I think it was R4)

Nope - PR2 was the last PPC-only BeOS release. It worked (like DR8, DR9 & PR - forgive me if I missed one here) on post-Nubus PowerMacs (later than 6100, etc), and BeBoxen.

Then came R3 (The first x86 release), and then R4.

Matt.

Preview Release 2
by M on Sat 5th Jun 2004 10:03 UTC

PR2 was indeed PPC only (though there was an internal Be version for Intel which was basically unreleasable due to the fact that shared library support was missing and all exes were statically linked to all libs they needed - the install base was "massive" because of this..)

PR2 is a pretty stable OS. It's pre-movable tabs (they came in R3 or R4 I guess), it still uses "disks" instad of mounting voulumes on the desktop, and the tabs themselves exhibit the starange "Apple MacOS Classic"-esque habbit of becoming flat and losing all definition except the title when they loose focus. In other words, for example, the zoom and close buttons dissapear)

The confusion with PR2 and R4 probably arises from the fact that PR2 was still on the CD given with the O'Reilly BeOS Developers Guide, even though R4 was the current version. I remember seeing written on a copy (in a Borders in Oxford St., London) something to this effect - even though I now own 2 copies of this book and neither mentions this.. lol.

@Eugenia... I'll see what I can come up with... Screen shots are no problem... att+PrintScreen works just the same under Wagner ;-)

Happy birthday!
by Robert on Sat 5th Jun 2004 10:31 UTC

I bought R5 Pro and used it for a year or two, and it was such a step up from Windows that it is hard to imagine for someone who's never tried it.

The instant search results, the file attributes, and the responsive GUI was bliss. I curse Windows every time it locks up my GUI to do something in the background, since now I know that there is no reason for it, but stupidity.

Anyway, I remember having to leave it because I got a GeForce card, and there weren't any drivers at the time. Dual booting with Windows to get access to Photoshop had also become rather tiresome (no matter what graphical applications BeOS has, Photoshop is Photoshop, and I simply can't work without it).

8 cpus machine
by GC on Sat 5th Jun 2004 12:54 UTC

Ahhh... trying to find that screen shot of pulse running on an 8 processor system. I know it existed...

BeOS first blush memories
by anonymouse on Sat 5th Jun 2004 16:47 UTC

I had been hearing about BeOS and built a machine for it in January of 99. I keep a system log on paper and I have these notes for my upgrade to BeOS 4.5 June 19th of 99, "10 minutes to install - 12 minutes to back in business".

One of my amazing experiences with BeOS was when I upgraded to a dual processor motherboard. I basically built a new system with the exception of the hard drive. I powered up the system with all new hardware (but the HD) and up she booted and recognized both processors. I was stunned with the robustness. From that point I was hooked on BeOS.

I run it full time at home today on a P4 3Ghz. No virus updates and it just runs and runs. The BeOS community is still strong and seems to be even growing a bit.

Windows at work is tedious yet BeOS still gives me a kick.

Yes, I can attest to the 8 processor system running since I saw the pictures and read the story when it came about.

nice article
by moscht on Sat 5th Jun 2004 17:35 UTC

thanks for this nice article!

i was using beos since version R5 was released. in my opinion the beos is indeed a kind of a very special os. creating programs for the beos was just completely different from programming for windows, linux or dos (in former times ;-)

i hope that there will be at least another 10 years for the beos (openbeos/zeta)!

maurice

RE: BeOS at 8 CPU
by helf on Sat 5th Jun 2004 18:24 UTC

I plan on setting up an 450mhz p3 x8 cpu system soon. already have the cpus.. gotta get a mobo ;)

Beos had so many good technical ideas. Today, still, with a machine capable of a _billion_ operation a second, I can still cause my audio file playback to stutter by dragging windows/menus. I guess people just want to run Office and print things.

Before the BeOS went with their 'BeOS runs on refrigerators and toasters only' push, they had a real chance of establishing themselves as the solution for audio related creative work.... sigh.. Oh well.
I understand that Be needed VC money, and the only money available at the time was from VC investors who wanted one thing only - the "internet applicance".
That whole internet applicance thing sure has taken off. :/


Sadly, I have too much computer equipment, so if anyone is interested in obtaining an original BeBox....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5100264540

Really To bad...
by Greg on Sun 6th Jun 2004 02:46 UTC

I really wish Be was still around.
I have never used BeOS (due to age), but I really want to get the chance.
I have grown up in the age of The internet, Intel Pentiums, and Microsoft. Although its cool, i wish i could go back to where it all began....

Good luck to you all!

*sob*
by mlk on Sun 6th Jun 2004 05:56 UTC

Ahh, remember it all well.

mac os x today if apple inc when with be os rather than next?
by Anonymous on Sun 6th Jun 2004 12:02 UTC

what would mac os x BE today if apple inc when with be os rather than next?

i would imagine os x would BE even better suited for apple's current niche. jobs could have bought be inc for $12 million.

h0bb1t
by Brian on Sun 6th Jun 2004 13:11 UTC

I own h0bb1t #39

To Eugenia
by Michael Vinícius de Oliveira on Sun 6th Jun 2004 15:06 UTC

Hi Eugenia!

As you know, I'm brazilian.
And I want buy a BeIA!!! It's my dream!
Do you know how I get it?

Thanks!!!

Michael Vinícius de Oliveira
~ BlueEyedOS.com Webmaster ~

Re Michael Vinicius de Oleveira - BeIA Cookbook
by M on Sun 6th Jun 2004 19:23 UTC

A BeIA what? I'm posting this using BeIA on a homebrew P200MMX box (VESA graphics, SB16 sound and 32MB RAM - very realistic spec!!) What about BeIA do you want?

Reason's to use BeIA are:

1) Small foot print - fully bootable in approx 8MB.
2) Compressed filesystem and option to further compress executables
3) Geek factor.

If, by BeIA, you mean a DT300 or another mini desktop style machine - it's all pretty much the same experience to be honest. Except the DT300 is pretty hard to get online unless you're *really* lucky.

Look on BeSHare. There was a dubious kit on there tha can be used with a little reading.

Be done in by greed of others
by DLazlo on Sun 6th Jun 2004 22:33 UTC

Be, Inc. was a victim of GREED! Not theirs, but the greed of others.

First place at the top of the GREEDY HEAP will have to go to Bill Gates, although he's really almost in a class of his own. His greed transcends the lust of money, oops MONEY, (we can't be defiling any Gods here now, can we?) and goes to the root of it all. POWER!

It's just too much to allow anyone else to have a piece of the pie when you can have it ALL! I'm sure Microsoft will be a completely different place both inside and out when Mr. Gates is no longer there. This quite likely won't happen until severe illness or death forces it. It must be hard to even think of walking away from all that POWER after all these years. Of course we all know that when your name comes up on 'that' list, it's our time and we all have to go. What ya wanna bet he tries to buy his way outta that one too!

Helping rush Be headlong to it's demise we next have the "Venture Capitalists" who did not give one hoot about the Be Operating System. All they wanted was for Be to design them little boxes they could string out in whatever little territory they controled, and then use those boxes to wring more mo- oops, MONEY out of us than they already were! That was the whole premiss behind Internet Appliances! They were designed not as wonderful little helpers in our kitchen, pocket, car, grocery basket or whatever, but as a subscription service that as we paid for their "help" in our daily lives, others could also control what advertising was put in front of our faces.

None of this should be held against Be, Inc. That was the only source of the funding they needed to survive because of "you know who"!

The funny part is, they really are useful, and now that they've all taken a 'lickin' in the market on them, we are able to create our own to fit "our" needs if we so desire. If you don't want one, nobdy is going to be in your face telling you how you "need" the "next big thing", and you are happy. If you want one for one reason or another, you can easily build it with all the "throw away" parts left over from "the last big thing"!

I still miss Be though!


Posted from a Proview iPad running BeIA 1.0 ;-P

BeOS again
by JJ on Mon 7th Jun 2004 00:42 UTC

I am designing an FPGA cpu that is just starting to run multi threaded code and is designed natively to be scaled with message passing in HW across many cpus.

Most cpu builders go off and get the gcc toolchain and then get Linux ported.

But BeOS is the one I'd really like to see 1st, it knows what to do with threads, and it can have as many as it wants, no 4k limits here:-). Anything else is just not right!

Oh well, have to see how NewOs goes.

brian
by chris on Mon 7th Jun 2004 00:55 UTC

your bandwidth has been exceeded. Can you host those images somewhere else?

Who onws BeOS source code?
by Lou G. on Mon 7th Jun 2004 04:45 UTC

Who really owns BeOS source code?
How is Yellow Tab writing/changing/enhancing the code?
Do the have ALL of the orignal source code?
What monies is backing Yellow Tab?

Lou G.

ps while your at it, who shot JFK?

Re: BeOS at 8 cpu
by Rhumgod on Mon 7th Jun 2004 17:23 UTC

Hmm, considering a PIII will only do dual, I think you're full of shit!

http://www.intel.com/design/PentiumIII/documentation.htm

RE:Re: BeOS at 8 cpu
by Helf on Mon 7th Jun 2004 19:12 UTC

so wtf do you call a quad p3 xeon server? a figment of dells and other companies imagination? ;)

P III - xeon
by DLazlo on Mon 7th Jun 2004 21:49 UTC

A vanilla P III will only do dual. A Xeon "can" be more than 2x, but not always.

Other pictures of a hobbit
by chris on Mon 7th Jun 2004 23:56 UTC

These are some other pictures of a Hobbit. I am surprised to see how "rough" it really is, thats why I was asking for more additional pictures. Eugena, perhaps you can validate that this is really what they looked like?

http://homepage.mac.com/softkid/PhotoAlbum4.html

Hobbit box
by DLazlo on Tue 8th Jun 2004 05:56 UTC

This was an experimental, pre-production design. You'd have a fit if you saw what most everything you use "used" to look like in R&D stages.

@ dlazlo
by chris on Tue 8th Jun 2004 11:50 UTC

So, are you saying that the hobbit pictures are accurate and that is in fact what they all looked like?

RE: Other pictures of a hobbit
by Eugenia on Tue 8th Jun 2004 17:52 UTC

Yeah, that's one of the H0bb1ts.

H0bb1ts
by chris on Tue 8th Jun 2004 23:46 UTC

Thanks for the confirmation

One more Be story...
by lothar on Wed 9th Jun 2004 11:25 UTC

I remember I saw my first demo of BeOS in Be's Office in Paris (La Defense). It was 4.5 on macintosh. The R5 on PC was planned but not yes available.

It was simply not possible to wait, hence I bought a Mac just to run BeOS. A PowerMac620. The machine was not very reliable or I was not enought aware of its hardware. Anyway, after some weeks of use, suddently, it was not able to boot anymore. Hopefully, the BeOS PC version was available and I did not need anymore this *&%* Macintosh.

I never made the effort to have the mac repaired. Since that time, the useless mac is stored in a garage: back to its origine.

beos was a wonderful os
by erik on Thu 10th Jun 2004 04:15 UTC

I plan to use openbeos when their is a version available.

My other favorite os is geos im very proud breadbox now owns the source code.

Hope they will have a 32 bit version of geos out in a year or two.

comments
by sam on Fri 11th Jun 2004 14:44 UTC

>>>But BeOS is the one I'd really like to see 1st, it knows what to do with threads, and it can have as many as it wants, no 4k limits here:-). Anything else is just not right!

I believe BeOS do have a 4096 thread limit.