Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 25th Sep 2006 16:43 UTC
Zeta I just received an email from Bernd Korz informing me that the Zeta 1.21 live CD has been released for everybody to download. Korz says the first results from testers were very positive. The download page says: "Magnussoft ZETA 1.21 - An Operating System that provides a lot of new advantages combined with high performance besides general tools for your daily work."
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Good News
by Yomama on Mon 25th Sep 2006 16:56 UTC
Yomama
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2005-07-21

Thats definitely good news. I hope Magnussoft is taking Zeta to the next level giving us another choice in the OS Market.

On a different note:
Could some please confirm if the Live Cd Works in Vmware or Virtual PC. Thank you.


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o/
by makc on Mon 25th Sep 2006 17:19 UTC
makc
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2006-01-11

as usual, awful webdesign...
but o/ for Zeta 1.21!!!

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Yarrrr
by maxx_730 on Mon 25th Sep 2006 17:29 UTC
maxx_730
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2005-12-14

Why wont magnussoft get its act together and develop zeta to support booting from an iso fs, instead of these backwards bfs images and .cue files.

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RE: Yarrrr
by Brmbolec on Mon 25th Sep 2006 17:34 UTC in reply to "Yarrrr"
Brmbolec Member since:
2005-07-23

Yeah and this explains also previous comment why it usually doesn't work in vmware or parallels ;)

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RE[2]: Yarrrr
by umccullough on Mon 25th Sep 2006 17:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Yarrrr"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

I have gotten it running in VMware just fine. Trick is to burn a physical CD, put it in the physical CD/DVD drive, and use CDROM RAW mode to access/boot to it in VMWare.

Also have to hit spacebar and choose the "failsafe" VESA graphics as VMware's video chipset is not supported and looks HORRIBLE in Zeta.

Zeta 1.21 also has a vlance driver now to support the VMWare native network chipset.

I have a .vmx file laying around somewhere that I used recently...

RE: using ISO9660 - unfortunately BeOS/Zeta/Haiku currently require BFS to boot because the attributes are required for some purposes (I don't know the details really)

Edited 2006-09-25 17:44

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RE[3]: Yarrrr
by Yomama on Mon 25th Sep 2006 17:44 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yarrrr"
Yomama Member since:
2005-07-21

Very Sweet. Will download it tonight. Thank you umccullough

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RE[4]: Yarrrr
by umccullough on Mon 25th Sep 2006 17:46 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Yarrrr"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

Very Sweet. Will download it tonight.

Ugh, now that I think of it... I've never actually tried the liveCD specifically in VMWare, only the full Zeta installation CD (which should boot the same way - right?)... I also will try it out tonight ;)

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RE: Yarrrr
by mikesum32 on Mon 25th Sep 2006 17:34 UTC in reply to "Yarrrr"
mikesum32 Member since:
2005-10-22

If burning a cue file is beyond your grasp, maybe you shouldn't be trying out alternitave operating systems.

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RE[2]: Yarrrr
by maxx_730 on Mon 25th Sep 2006 17:59 UTC in reply to "RE: Yarrrr"
maxx_730 Member since:
2005-12-14

The problem is that the only program in Linux that can burn it is Nero. And how hard can it be to support booting from an iso fs if even the most basic of os's like visopsys and syllable can do it?

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RE[3]: Yarrrr
by umccullough on Mon 25th Sep 2006 18:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yarrrr"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

And how hard can it be to support booting from an iso fs if even the most basic of os's like visopsys and syllable can do it?

You answered your own question I think ;)

"Basic" OSes can boot from "basic" filesystems. I think a better question might be: Why can't the LiveCD/Install CD be an ISO9660 with a BFS image on it which the bootloader locates and boots the kernel from?

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RE[3]: Yarrrr
by signals on Mon 25th Sep 2006 18:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yarrrr"
signals Member since:
2005-07-08

The problem is that the only program in Linux that can burn it is Nero.

I have NOT tried this with the Zeta CD, so I could be completely off, but I've been able to burn images with a .cue file using cdrecord's "cuefile=" argument.

It worked well for burining another non-standard filesystem image I had. I don't think it supports every possible mode though.

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RE[3]: Yarrrr
by Ford Prefect on Mon 25th Sep 2006 18:54 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yarrrr"
Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16

Nero?! Perhaps try cdrdao?

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RE[3]: Yarrrr
by WereCatf on Mon 25th Sep 2006 19:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yarrrr"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

The problem is that the only program in Linux that can burn it is Nero

Just thought to inform you that cdrdao and atleast Gnomebaker should burn .cue files, too. Cheers =)

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RE[4]: Yarrrr
by zizban on Mon 25th Sep 2006 23:36 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Yarrrr"
zizban Member since:
2005-07-06

Toast on the Mac complains about a lack of a bin file.

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RE[3]: Yarrrr
by ple_mono on Mon 25th Sep 2006 20:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yarrrr"
ple_mono Member since:
2005-07-26

k3b... and the list goes on

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RE[4]: Yarrrr
by nedvis on Tue 26th Sep 2006 02:56 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Yarrrr"
nedvis Member since:
2006-01-02

k3b fails to burn Zeta Live CD. Period!
It was complaining "file does not seem to be valid cue file" or such something.
I had to fire up my NeroExpress and now I have my ZetaCD.

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RE[3]: Yarrrr
by djohnston on Mon 25th Sep 2006 23:34 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yarrrr"
djohnston Member since:
2006-04-11

Yeah, K3B will burn a .cue file based CD image correctly. You just have to know how to use the program.

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RE[2]: Yarrrr
by Soulbender on Tue 26th Sep 2006 03:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Yarrrr"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

It would be nice if the .cue file worked with any other burner software than Nero though because not everyone has Nero (or even Windows).
If creating a .cue file that isn't broken is beyond your grasp, maybe you shouldn't sell an alternative operating system.

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RE: Yarrrr
by digitaldisaster on Mon 25th Sep 2006 20:31 UTC in reply to "Yarrrr"
digitaldisaster Member since:
2006-01-02

You can't have an ISO image of any BeOS version becuase all of the files need to be held on a BeFS partition on the CD as the installed requires the meta data the file system contains. If you put them all onto an ISO 9660 file system you loose all of the meta data etc. without which BeOS won't even boot. It is not hard to burn the floppy disk boot image and the main installer disk image under windows or Linux. You can do it with free tools, instructions available here http://www.beosmax.org/wiki/index.php/Instructions_on_burning_a_BeO...

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RE: Yarrrr
by netpython on Tue 26th Sep 2006 04:45 UTC in reply to "Yarrrr"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

Just use nero or nero for linux to make it easy :-)
Works like a charm on FC5.

Edited 2006-09-26 04:46

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download site down?
by Epyon on Mon 25th Sep 2006 17:32 UTC
Epyon
Member since:
2005-11-21

Is it just me or are the download links not working?

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RE: download site down?
by xfranky on Mon 25th Sep 2006 17:55 UTC in reply to "download site down?"
xfranky Member since:
2006-09-19

I'm downlading now just fine at 200K/s

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Works
by Matzon on Mon 25th Sep 2006 18:18 UTC
Matzon
Member since:
2005-07-06

Posting this from live-cd through VMWare server, using daemon-tools mounted cue sheet.
Running fine, tho mouse is a bit funky at times - prob a vmware issue.

Used Windows 98 profile, vesa safemode.

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RE: Works
by umccullough on Mon 25th Sep 2006 18:21 UTC in reply to "Works"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

using daemon-tools mounted cue sheet.

AH! why didn't I think of that?! - I always forget that daemon-tools (and other virtual cdrom software) usually support cue sheets ;)

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germans and their english
by ple_mono on Mon 25th Sep 2006 18:46 UTC
ple_mono
Member since:
2005-07-26

You have just got to crack a smile at the live-cd filename;
Apparently i'm downloading a LifeCD ;)

Oh! and use a download manager where you can resume downloads, because the transfer seems a little flaky ATM...

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RE: germans and their english
by BlackJack75 on Mon 25th Sep 2006 19:24 UTC in reply to "germans and their english"
BlackJack75 Member since:
2005-08-29

When you get lost on a raft in the middle of the ocean, you'd be glad you had downloaded the LifeCD.

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RE: germans and their english
by stew on Mon 25th Sep 2006 19:38 UTC in reply to "germans and their english"
stew Member since:
2005-07-06

Let's hear it for your German then ;)

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Two bad things:
by deb2006 on Mon 25th Sep 2006 19:12 UTC
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Member since:
2006-06-26

1. They need _one_ ISO image
2. The download is around 10 KB (10 hours)

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RE: Two bad things:
by ple_mono on Mon 25th Sep 2006 19:20 UTC in reply to "Two bad things:"
ple_mono Member since:
2005-07-26

Blame your ISP, blame infrastructure, not their server - i'm at 80% since i made my last post about an hour ago.
[edit]ok, you didn't point any fingers, so scratch that part about their server ;) [/edit]

Edited 2006-09-25 19:22

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RE[2]: Two bad things:
by BlackJack75 on Mon 25th Sep 2006 19:32 UTC in reply to "RE: Two bad things:"
BlackJack75 Member since:
2005-08-29

Same here. I abandoned the download because it's so terribly slow. And my ISP is fine thanks. I am pretty sure a torrent would download better as it always does.

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Burn process
by Invincible Cow on Mon 25th Sep 2006 19:47 UTC
Invincible Cow
Member since:
2006-06-24

I should have made a program for burning the Zeta LiveCD more easily. I started it, but there's something wrong with my Windows (so CD writing interfaces and other stuff doesn't work well) and thought they would finally do this themselves.

(They can't use an ISO file because of the BeFS filesystem.)

(Hmm, link down, probably too many like me trying to download at once...)

Edited 2006-09-25 19:53

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Zeta
by SK8T on Mon 25th Sep 2006 20:34 UTC
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Member since:
2006-06-01

I hope Zeta and BeOS will survive…

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RE: Zeta
by nelvana2005 on Mon 25th Sep 2006 20:56 UTC in reply to "Zeta"
nelvana2005 Member since:
2005-07-29

I hope so, too.
But, if not, well ...
Back to the Live CD! My first impressions:
- The Video Editor does not work in any way (an absolutely horrible piece of software). According to German Forums a completely new written version is on the way, but not for Zeta 1.21.
- The BePodder Demo has expired, so it won't even start.
But the "rest" of the Live CD is very interesting (Firefox 2.0 Beta, a lot of bugfixes, a Gobe Trial version and so on). The Live CD runs very quickly and seems to be "stable". Nice work!!!

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RE[2]: Zeta
by ple_mono on Mon 25th Sep 2006 21:10 UTC in reply to "RE: Zeta"
ple_mono Member since:
2005-07-26

I was quite impressed as well. Very snappy. They've also included ipw2200 wireless drivers, which is kind of cool.
Too bad i couldn't use usb though. I had to rip all my usb devices out to make it boot. It froze on loading EHCI module or something like that. I tried to connect my mouse, after a clean boot, but it did freeze anyway.
But other than that, very nice ;)
(Rember that you can bring up a boot menu, right before it loads zeta, to enable safe mode and such...)

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Burning issues with cue file
by blitze on Mon 25th Sep 2006 23:39 UTC
blitze
Member since:
2006-09-15

When I try to burn the cue file in Nero it crashes nero.

Any suggestions?

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killing not respondig apps
by netpython on Tue 26th Sep 2006 04:49 UTC
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2005-07-06

Is there a cli way of killing not responding apps on Zeta,like for example on linux?

The firefox browser suddenly said do it yourself.

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RE:killing not respondig apps
by vasper on Tue 26th Sep 2006 06:23 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-22

Zeta is posix compliant, so you can use the same commands as in Linux to kill from a terminal.

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unable to find .bin file?
by w00ter on Tue 26th Sep 2006 10:54 UTC
w00ter
Member since:
2005-06-30

If it's unable to find the .BIN file, try opening the .CUE file with a text editor, and enter the full path to where the .BIN file is.

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RE: unable to find .bin file?
by Kancept on Tue 26th Sep 2006 18:01 UTC in reply to "unable to find .bin file?"
Kancept Member since:
2006-01-09

point being there are no "bin" files. The cue sheet is correct. The programs are just expecting something different. Even editing the file extensions and cue file to match expectations doesn't work. I have to burn the zip file for now and take the thing home to burn on my beos machine.

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