Linked by Jon "TrekBoy" on Sun 1st Dec 2002 01:07 UTC
Linux Coming from a background of using MS-DOS for about 4 or 5 years exclusively (MS-Dos 4.1 or something) Being new to Linux and *nix in general I thought that I would want to learn from the "ground up". I did not want the bloat of Redhat or Mandrake but wanted something simple where I could learn the "stuff" of the OS.
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Best FS
by Fooks on Sun 1st Dec 2002 01:13 UTC

Just out of curiosity what is the best file system to use: Ext3, XFS, ReisferFS, or JFS (I had heard that XFS had no "backup FAT" or whatever it is"

That really depends on what you're doing. Personally I use ReiserFS for most of my partitions. The exception is my media server (audio/video) which uses XFS. Each FS has it strong and weak points. If you don't much care about choosing the best one I'd just go with the default one that your distro installs. They're all good enough for day to day use anyway.

-fooks

uhhh...
by DynamicStability on Sun 1st Dec 2002 01:17 UTC

im VERY happy with ReiserFS. use it, you will like it (speed it up in fstab with notail,noatime

I have been wating for gentoo 1.4 for over 6 months it seems, i want to try it. Im currently using Slackware 8.1 and i love it, and I cant wait to try 9.0. I also need to experiment with *BSD.

l8er

XFS
by Fabio Ribeio on Sun 1st Dec 2002 01:51 UTC

Is true XFS is the fastest ?

XFS!
by Taras on Sun 1st Dec 2002 02:33 UTC

I don't know regarding speed. But xfs is rock solid. I love it and use it everywhere I can.

Does it has /etc/make.conf?
by Anonymous on Sun 1st Dec 2002 04:29 UTC

Does it has /etc/make.conf or something else similar to *BSDs' /etc/make.conf? Just wondering, because it's very flexible to configure the flags for compile and etc. I believe, Gnome has /etc/make.conf too.

pacman? Hehe, that's funny name for it. I gotta to visit ArchLinux's website to find more information. Wondering, why they pick "pacman"? That's little weird.

Pac Man..
by goneaway on Sun 1st Dec 2002 04:54 UTC

Pac(kage) Man(ager)

Geeky as it is I love punnish/subtlely funny package names.

Contradictory desires
by the Dude on Sun 1st Dec 2002 05:13 UTC

> I thought that I would want to learn from the "ground up".
<snip>
> got it working but could never compile my kernel correctly


Kernel compiles are required to learn from the ground up.

'sin the book guv.


Compile your linux yourselfe
by Geos on Sun 1st Dec 2002 07:04 UTC

there is a group called Linux from sratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
they are writing a documant how to build your own Linux
I leard a Lot about linux by that way

mfg
Geos

Don't confuse names
by Anonymous on Sun 1st Dec 2002 07:22 UTC

Arch Linux (archlinux.org)!=Ark Linux (arklinux.org), who existed first?

XFS rock solid?
by jamus on Sun 1st Dec 2002 07:27 UTC

... erm, I think not. I had some major issues with XFS and various types of instability - I believe it's documented on the web in various places too...

That said, I also think there have been recent patches to the SGI XFS sources, to fix some issues. Perhaps it's all been fixed.

I'm using ReiserFS - no probs now. It was a pain to retrieve all my data from my chewed up XFS partition though!

Gentoo 1.4 practically is out
by Charlie on Sun 1st Dec 2002 08:13 UTC

It has been for months in the rc1 form.

LFS
by Raphael on Sun 1st Dec 2002 08:34 UTC

Ya, and also have a look and visit us in irc.linuxfromscratch.org#lfs.
We don't bite :-)

gcc 3.2 as default in debian?
by C. on Sun 1st Dec 2002 09:47 UTC

Check update-alternative ...

Regards,

C.

um
by Mong on Sun 1st Dec 2002 11:01 UTC

Whats with the red headlines?

> Check update-alternative ...

Isn't there an easier solution? Should be like this:

# set-as-default packagename

On XFS
by Ralph Thomas on Sun 1st Dec 2002 15:43 UTC

I went to a presentation at work (SGI) on Linux filesystems. At the time (this was a few months back now, so all could have changed) I think that on uniprocessor machines XFS was not the best performing filesystem, but by the time you got up to 64 processors XFS ruled the roost (especially as this kind of task [i.e.: big filesystem, lots of processors, perhaps big files] was what XFS was designed for).
XFS is still a very solid filesystem, and you're unlikely to get any problems with it (I use it on my laptop). In fact, the only time I have had trouble was with kernel 2.5, and it turned out to be the broken IDE driver that was in there at the time.

Ralph

These are my own opinions, not those of my employer.

About red headlines
by Allan Almeida on Sun 1st Dec 2002 15:54 UTC

@Umm --> It has a red headline 'cause it's an original OSNews article.
About the article --> Is it a Gentoo's poor cousin ?

XFS works for me
by Bannor99 on Sun 1st Dec 2002 16:20 UTC

I'm using it exclusively on a Mandrake 9.0 box. No problems so far. I remember that, when using a mix of filesystems - ext3 for /boot/ and /, xfs for /home and /opt, reiserfs for /var and /usr, on Mandrake 8.1 ( maybe 8.2?), the system was unbearably slow.
I've not tried mixing and matching filesystems since.

http://www.sourcemage.org/ If you are really interested in "from the ground up" learning I recommend you try SourceMage. It is somewhat like Gentoo; ie, it is source based but easier to use IMHO and has more packages than you could ever want.

JFS - Comparing them all
by Fabio Ribeio on Sun 1st Dec 2002 17:36 UTC

Are u guys having trouble with IBM´s JFS ?

Another question:

Do u know the diferences between ext2, ext3, XFS, JFS, ReiserFS?
I would like to know if i can find a comparision chart, or a review between all of them , including pros and cons, showing more specif details...

Arch
by jk on Sun 1st Dec 2002 19:05 UTC

No, it's not a poor gentoo clone, primarily it's binary based and i686 optimised.

I've been using Arch for a while now, and i think it's pretty amazing. I really like it's up-to-date-ness...Whenever a new version of a program comes out, the package is updated asap. Pretty cool. Creation of packages is really easy, and packages have few bugs due to it's binary based origin, which also causes software to install fast.

That said, when you want to compile something with your own settings, the abs system (a bit like the *BSD ports system) does it for you (all binary packages are also available in the abs system as source packages). It's really great. Try it folks.

Suggestions...
by Matthew Gardiner on Mon 2nd Dec 2002 07:49 UTC

I am running United Linux/SCO Linux 4.0 for around a week or so. So, here is what I suggest:

1) JFS is very stable, fast and haven't experienced any issues.

2) If you want a basic, no nonsense Linux distro, SCO Linux 4.0 is available for download right now for non-commercial/developer use.

XFS...
by Daniel Cedilotte on Mon 2nd Dec 2002 13:13 UTC

XFS is by far the fastest and the best file system. Although, IBM's JFS is not that bad either and pretty speedy. But what ever, I've been using XFS for a good while and it works great. ReiserFS gets too slow if you have large files but is pretty good if you only have small ones. As for Ext3, it's just ext2 with a journal. So in conclusion, yes, XFS is probably the best one to use...

Funny ...
by montanus on Mon 2nd Dec 2002 14:09 UTC

Complaining about 'bloat' and then ditching FBSD for the lack of Linuxconf, which is the most 'bloated' system management suite available. And if you'd ever used the ports system for a while, you'd have experienced that it eats up disk space for breakfast, lunch and dinner, if not maintained carefully.

BTW, last time I checked the minimum installation of Mandrake was something about 90 MB.

monty

Filesystems...
by Peder on Mon 2nd Dec 2002 17:39 UTC

I use XFS almost everywhere. The only (?) drawbacks are that it's slow in removing files (a known "bug"), you can't have the lilo boot record on an XFS partition (it has to be in MBR [also known and documented]) and according to http://conferences.oreillynet.com/presentations/os2002/wessels_duan... it's slower than Reiser with squid.
The upcoming Reiser4 is supposed to be even faster (fastest of them all according to Hans Reiser).

I tried IBM-JFS back in mid 2001 and encountered some errors that put me back, though I guess it's matured a lot since.

I often use ext3 for /boot (for no particular reason, on some boxes that's XFS as well) but somehow it feels like a toy-jfs.

XFS feels rock solid and has a history (from IRIX) that only JFS perhaps can rival.

/Peder

FS for Linux
by Niels on Mon 2nd Dec 2002 18:32 UTC

For those interested in the pros and cons of the different Linux FS, Daniel Robbins (alias "Mr Gentoo") has written a very good series of articles on the IBM Developerworks site.
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/